Osie's 18th Circle of Hell Game Thread - Day 4

[SeonRichard]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

I'm not going to claim to understand what's happening here.
Owl can explain it once they show up.
In other news, I'm tired and should go to bed.
Cya later.

-CRichard

[TownMisleaders]

@OwlsWriteLetters

I'm guessing that before you flipped, you were legitimately an informed minority mafia, not the uninformed one that everyone has claimed after flipping once? If so, who else has an initial role as mafia? what abilities did you have? which kills did you make?

[based]

Also I don't think you are neutral I don't think based is neutral, I'm assuming a lot of things are purely semantics, I was a neutral faction that was actually uninformed majority good

So again, I'm sitting under the assumption that the evils know they are evil, it's the only way to move forward at this point, or people can continue to make up reads based on claimed alignments

Uh well
I'm with you on assuming my core role probably isn't neutral tbf, I don't think we've had anyone flip as neutral as their core role or however the heck the flips work
I have no idea what my core role is, though, so I'm not really any more in the know than you are regarding that lol

At this point it's probably not *that* bad if my slot flips since we could get our core role that way and stop wondering if we should pick a side
On the other hand from what we were told, it is indeed possible to win without receiving our core role, so if you'd rather we not suddenly become town or mafia or villager or werewolf or whatever else is in this game, then just leave us as a neutral cause we can't really do anything else right now.
Then again, it's getting a bit stale and min and I wouldn't be terribly opposed to finding our core role, but it's been sorta fun being neut.

-ww

I mean I'd rather everyone's real role get out there, I suspect if mafia are making these triple kills, it needs to hit new people. But at the same time I was shot twice, so idk

I dont want us to get our core role, because I would rather be a neut. I know that sounds dumb/selfish but for me I feel like if we finally died while this entire game we've been barely playing/paying attention due to our wincon and so if we changed alignments we would just..play poorly for the rest of the game. I uh, kinda dont want that? Its not easy to pick up steam in a game like this.

-min

[based]

It's not possible, I'm saying from a stand point of my factions 3 mission, they were not possible for a minimum of 7 night phases in a perfect world outside mine, and based is a solo neutral, ya nah, in a game where people need to die to get their core roles, 100% not happening any time soon

idc, id rather suffer a painful game than lose and play like crap

-min

[based]

treereaper while I repeatedly beg for an answer to our question

*like*

Can we not even like here.

We received your laundry and we gave it away. I think that person themselves should be able to claim it. I'll let them decide if it's in their best interest.

~Solic

I received the laundry basket. I think it is probably fine for me to reveal that.

based

feel free to take a shirt and put it on, it has funky voting effects (idk if its only positive or if its negative/positive, cuz our shirt was a positive one)

speaking of voting, we have an extra vote on us and I dunno why. this is sadge. Im sorry if we said anything Osie, can we pls have it taken away?

[based]

I think its funny to personally ask the host to remove votes on you but these rules have been pretty creative so it would be a waste not to try it out

-min

[Chihiro]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

[Chihiro]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

I was talking about the dead

Shouldn't we kill Foolsgold because they're ww?

Oh sorry. If you're talking about the dead, then none of them have flipped mafia.

-CRichard

It's worse, they're all townspeople. The important thing is whether they are truly an informed minority or not

this only matters if peoples final flips were town and only 1 person so far has flipped town after actually dieing i think?

If town is the informed minority in this setup, then assuming that the hosts made them 1/4 of the player list. If there are more than 6 players who have flipped town, then that proves town isn't the informed minority.

-CRichard

[Chihiro]

it's time for me to sleep, if you can find a way to convince me, I'll listen to you @FoolsGold
Signing posts would help

i wont vote them unless you can explain how their previous role/alignment has anything to do with their new one.

Cause if your using the arguement we can't trust the slot

That same arguement can be applied to you cause you;ve yet to actually flip.

[Millium]

I can certainly make u regret that statement @based

[Millium]

plus we dont even know if those 3 deaths every night have to include new people, there might exist separate factional actions from the informed minority, like directly killing people, and targeting groups of 3 to force their core role, since not having a core role, means they are affectively 1-shot bullet proof

[Millium]

At best we can assume "at least" 1 person started off as informed minority if not all of them
if these 3 kills are coming from the informed, or its just a random player that was told to target 3 new people, but i don't think every group of 3 has been new, can anyone confirm that?

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

it's time for me to sleep, if you can find a way to convince me, I'll listen to you @FoolsGold
Signing posts would help

i wont vote them unless you can explain how their previous role/alignment has anything to do with their new one.

Cause if your using the arguement we can't trust the slot

That same arguement can be applied to you cause you;ve yet to actually flip.

As for them, we don't know if their alignment has changed, and as for me, I know nothing has changed.
You may believe me or not, but please explain to me if their game makes sense if they are good guys.

[TownMisleaders]

At best we can assume "at least" 1 person started off as informed minority if not all of them
if these 3 kills are coming from the informed, or its just a random player that was told to target 3 new people, but i don't think every group of 3 has been new, can anyone confirm that?

i'm thinking that mafia as a first role was a scum faction whereas mafia as a core role is a town faction
which is why i want owl to answer my questions, but their slot keeps going afk this game so idk if that's gonna happen

[Chihiro]

@OwlsWriteLetters What was your mafia wincon? Since your the first thats flipped it as an original alignment Im curious to know if its different or the same.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

Wincon says we need to eliminate scum factions

[Chihiro]

plus we dont even know if those 3 deaths every night have to include new people, there might exist separate factional actions from the informed minority, like directly killing people, and targeting groups of 3 to force their core role, since not having a core role, means they are affectively 1-shot bullet proof

were one of those kills, not you?

[Chihiro]

Im almost positive that that trivia murder party role is a town gladiator that takes amtters into their own hand, which confirms one kill because they were responsible for foolsgold death.

But who hit millium and owl?

[Chihiro]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

Wincon says we need to eliminate scum factions

no your win con does not just say straight up eliminate scum factions, thats what mafia win con is and its not even worded like that.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

Ok, now you should explain

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

Wincon says we need to eliminate scum factions

no your win con does not just say straight up eliminate scum factions, thats what mafia win con is and its not even worded like that.

No, it's written to eliminate 2 factions (can I name them, by the way?) and all the other threats

[Millium]

At best we can assume "at least" 1 person started off as informed minority if not all of them
if these 3 kills are coming from the informed, or its just a random player that was told to target 3 new people, but i don't think every group of 3 has been new, can anyone confirm that?

i'm thinking that mafia as a first role was a scum faction whereas mafia as a core role is a town faction
which is why i want owl to answer my questions, but their slot keeps going afk this game so idk if that's gonna happen

Hmm this could be a thing

[Chihiro]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

Wincon says we need to eliminate scum factions

no your win con does not just say straight up eliminate scum factions, thats what mafia win con is and its not even worded like that.

No, it's written to eliminate 2 factions (can I name them, by the way?) and all the other threats

why wopuldnt you be able to?

[ATNoLeafia]

Ok, I'm caught up. I know it depends on what Owls says now, but I honestly think Owl is uninformed, but in a faction that doesn't look like it has much thread control nor the number to outmatch other uninformed majority.

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

Explain how this is a gotcha

~~meeting the min post thing~~

If they were mafia they'd know that mafia is town

[OwlsWriteLetters]

@OwlsWriteLetters

I'm guessing that before you flipped, you were legitimately an informed minority mafia, not the uninformed one that everyone has claimed after flipping once? If so, who else has an initial role as mafia? what abilities did you have? which kills did you make?

Not in the traditional sense, we were closer to survivors than a mafia faction. I suspect this is/was the case for a lot of people?

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Also I don't think you are neutral I don't think based is neutral, I'm assuming a lot of things are purely semantics, I was a neutral faction that was actually uninformed majority good

So again, I'm sitting under the assumption that the evils know they are evil, it's the only way to move forward at this point, or people can continue to make up reads based on claimed alignments

Uh well
I'm with you on assuming my core role probably isn't neutral tbf, I don't think we've had anyone flip as neutral as their core role or however the heck the flips work
I have no idea what my core role is, though, so I'm not really any more in the know than you are regarding that lol

At this point it's probably not *that* bad if my slot flips since we could get our core role that way and stop wondering if we should pick a side
On the other hand from what we were told, it is indeed possible to win without receiving our core role, so if you'd rather we not suddenly become town or mafia or villager or werewolf or whatever else is in this game, then just leave us as a neutral cause we can't really do anything else right now.
Then again, it's getting a bit stale and min and I wouldn't be terribly opposed to finding our core role, but it's been sorta fun being neut.

-ww

I mean I'd rather everyone's real role get out there, I suspect if mafia are making these triple kills, it needs to hit new people. But at the same time I was shot twice, so idk

I dont want us to get our core role, because I would rather be a neut. I know that sounds dumb/selfish but for me I feel like if we finally died while this entire game we've been barely playing/paying attention due to our wincon and so if we changed alignments we would just..play poorly for the rest of the game. I uh, kinda dont want that? Its not easy to pick up steam in a game like this.

-min

Pain

[ATNoLeafia]

Then again, town being an informed minority in a core role POV does explain Kiiruma was acting very weird.

[OwlsWriteLetters]

@OwlsWriteLetters What was your mafia wincon? Since your the first thats flipped it as an original alignment Im curious to know if its different or the same.

Original wincon was win when any/all factions that present a threat to us die

[ATNoLeafia]

Actually, if the town faction is informed and you can win without being your core role, would it mean that every non-core town was a lost wolf?

[FoolsGold]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

Wincon says we need to eliminate scum factions

no your win con does not just say straight up eliminate scum factions, thats what mafia win con is and its not even worded like that.

No, it's written to eliminate 2 factions (can I name them, by the way?) and all the other threats

Name them.

[Chihiro]

Then again, town being an informed minority in a core role POV does explain Kiiruma was acting very weird.

It doesn't, ebcause he claimed to be mafia and then flipped town, uunless you suspect he knew town was potentitally the informed faction at the time.

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

Ok, now you should explain

To you?

[Chihiro]

Also stop answering for owl, let him answer for himself

[ATNoLeafia]

Honestly, the more I think about the mechanics, the more interesting this game is.

[Millium]

what even is Ichigo's current alignment?

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Also stop answering for owl, let him answer for himself

Who answered for me?

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

Another question where does the villager faction play in all of this?

Wincon says we need to eliminate scum factions

no your win con does not just say straight up eliminate scum factions, thats what mafia win con is and its not even worded like that.

No, it's written to eliminate 2 factions (can I name them, by the way?) and all the other threats

why wopuldnt you be able to?

They are spies and werewolves

[ATNoLeafia]

Then again, town being an informed minority in a core role POV does explain Kiiruma was acting very weird.

It doesn't, ebcause he claimed to be mafia and then flipped town, uunless you suspect he knew town was potentitally the informed faction at the time.

Well, it's a theory. If Kiiruma was informed minority when he received his core role, it would explain why Kiiruma was fakeclaiming mafia and convincing us why mafia is the uninformed majority and weirdly voting Zone who wasn't in his scumchat at that time. I mean there's always room for a Kiiruma to make bad decisions.

[FoolsGold]

Also, of the heads in our slot, the ones doing most of the posting are me (lemon) and Triss and we have not been active due to out-of-game circumstances (as can be witnessed by us not making it in time to vote, leading to our death in trivia).

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

what even is Ichigo's current alignment?

I am a villager, from the moment I received the alignment, it has never changed

[FoolsGold]

Then again, town being an informed minority in a core role POV does explain Kiiruma was acting very weird.

It doesn't, ebcause he claimed to be mafia and then flipped town, uunless you suspect he knew town was potentitally the informed faction at the time.

This could be it tbh.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

Ok, now you should explain

To you?

Yes

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

Ok, now you should explain

To you?

Yes

No thank you

[TownMisleaders]

@OwlsWriteLetters

I'm guessing that before you flipped, you were legitimately an informed minority mafia, not the uninformed one that everyone has claimed after flipping once? If so, who else has an initial role as mafia? what abilities did you have? which kills did you make?

Not in the traditional sense, we were closer to survivors than a mafia faction. I suspect this is/was the case for a lot of people?

This is too vague
please answer the questions fully

[Millium]

there is also a world where the informed evil, no they are informed evil, while also having fake roles to work with the mechanics of the game, as to not be outted by the setup itself

[OwlsWriteLetters]

@OwlsWriteLetters

I'm guessing that before you flipped, you were legitimately an informed minority mafia, not the uninformed one that everyone has claimed after flipping once? If so, who else has an initial role as mafia? what abilities did you have? which kills did you make?

Not in the traditional sense, we were closer to survivors than a mafia faction. I suspect this is/was the case for a lot of people?

This is too vague
please answer the questions fully

Oh no

Anyways

[beancat]

Hey!

Do you guys need me to pay attention yet?

Also @Millium sorry for the outburst earlier toDay, was completely confused as to what's going on.

@ me with a vote recommendation and I'll do it!

[TownMisleaders]

@OwlsWriteLetters

I'm guessing that before you flipped, you were legitimately an informed minority mafia, not the uninformed one that everyone has claimed after flipping once? If so, who else has an initial role as mafia? what abilities did you have? which kills did you make?

Not in the traditional sense, we were closer to survivors than a mafia faction. I suspect this is/was the case for a lot of people?

This is too vague
please answer the questions fully

Oh no

Anyways

if you are actually town now, what's stopping you from elaborating on your previous role?

[ATNoLeafia]

Aside from Kiiruma, looking at DKkoba's slot would also make sense (altho maybe not when Math subbed in). Dkkoba's lack of interest showed that he looked more informed than anyone else and it the same with Math who tried to get us out of mech and into social reads where anyone could be lying. There is support for this theory.