Osie's 18th Circle of Hell Game Thread - Day 4

[Chihiro]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

[SeonRichard]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

If I were to use Occam's Razor, then Town is probably the uninformed majority which is to be expected.

-CRichard

[Chihiro]

Btw I still have 0 idea whats giving me my oracles and im starting to believe its some hidden ability I have or its linked to my 2nd role. I've used 3 oracles and have 11 more I can use.

I gained 3 at day start.

[Millium]

Starting with Zone who is not town

Why is zone your top scum, and not the slot that accused the Mathblade Slot to begin with?
We know that DkKoba/Mathblade was Town on both flips, when Onion accused them of being spy iirc.
Why are you mad at Zone?

Why can't TM still be town here, is being wrong illegal?

Not sure who TM is, but I'll assume you're talking about Onion.
Onion claimed to be spy, and then claimed that DkKoba was in the faction. Zone used the argument that they wanted to kill both, and that they wanted to get rid of the useless one first.
Why does Onion have a chance to be town and Zone doesn't?

I still have no idea what u are talking about here
What are u even arguing here

I didn't even talk about Onion before this, How did TM turn into Onion?
and why do both their alignments fall on this specific situation?

[Millium]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

If I were to use Occam's Razor, then Town is probably the uninformed majority which is to be expected.

-CRichard

DUDE listen
if u are going to say another sentence without reading, full stop, and don't
"I can assume that town is informed evil minority"
so no, if colors mean nothing and alignment flips are all true, I can at least assume they were all evil flips

[Millium]

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

[Millium]

god what do these colors mean

[SeonRichard]

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

I was wondering why you were going on about Mafia being majority. This tracks.

-CRichard

[FoolsGold]

Any help on the colors, it doesn't appear to be LGBTQ flags, most of em don't match despite Mathblades second flip.

[Millium]

I'm going to sleep. Can someone make a post with all the names that flipped as colors and their alignment, and all the people that flipped without colors and their alignment

[SeonRichard]

Any help on the colors, it doesn't appear to be LGBTQ flags, most of em don't match despite Mathblades second flip.

No sorry.

-CRichard

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Who still hasn't been converted to their core role?

I have no change in role

[FoolsGold]

@SeonRichard No I meant, if it's any help, that's what we figured out last Night, that despite that flip, the role colors are presumably not flag related. Or at least not exclusively.

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

this is the question to which I also want an answer

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Villagers don't seem to be informed, so if town are the informed how come so many prior flips are town?

If I were to use Occam's Razor, then Town is probably the uninformed majority which is to be expected.

-CRichard

DUDE listen
if u are going to say another sentence without reading, full stop, and don't
"I can assume that town is informed evil minority"
so no, if colors mean nothing and alignment flips are all true, I can at least assume they were all evil flips

I understand your conviction

[SeonRichard]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

I was talking about the dead

Shouldn't we kill Foolsgold because they're ww?

[FoolsGold]

....That moon thing still being a thing is a bit worrying.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

[VOTE: Foolsgold] aubergine

[FoolsGold]

And no @Kurosaki Ichigo , because that was old role/align not current role/align.

[SeonRichard]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

I was talking about the dead

Shouldn't we kill Foolsgold because they're ww?

Oh sorry. If you're talking about the dead, then none of them have flipped mafia.

-CRichard

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

And no @Kurosaki Ichigo , because that was old role/align not current role/align.

I don't trust anything in this game

[FoolsGold]

Then i have no idea why you'd trust that 1. Werewolves are against UnInMaj wincon, and 2. that anyone is staying the same general side of the fence on flip.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

I was talking about the dead

Shouldn't we kill Foolsgold because they're ww?

Oh sorry. If you're talking about the dead, then none of them have flipped mafia.

-CRichard

It's worse, they're all townspeople. The important thing is whether they are truly an informed minority or not

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Then i have no idea why you'd trust that 1. Werewolves are against UnInMaj wincon, and 2. that anyone is staying the same general side of the fence on flip.

You're very quiet in the game, I find it suspicious

[SeonRichard]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

I was talking about the dead

Shouldn't we kill Foolsgold because they're ww?

Oh sorry. If you're talking about the dead, then none of them have flipped mafia.

-CRichard

It's worse, they're all townspeople. The important thing is whether they are truly an informed minority or not

If town is the informed minority in this setup, then assuming that the hosts made them 1/4 of the player list. If there are more than 6 players who have flipped town, then that proves town isn't the informed minority.

-CRichard

[SeonRichard]

Ngl, it's not every game where town being uninformed majority isn't automatically true.

-CRichard

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

it's time for me to sleep, if you can find a way to convince me, I'll listen to you @FoolsGold
Signing posts would help

[FoolsGold]

Then i have no idea why you'd trust that 1. Werewolves are against UnInMaj wincon, and 2. that anyone is staying the same general side of the fence on flip.

You're very quiet in the game, I find it suspicious

"You" meaning one of four people who all missed the last vote deadline and got yeeted for it. Yeaaaaaaaah about that.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Day 4 Start

The moon looms closer...

Nero's violin playing was actually so good that the city of Rome burnt to never hear another violin, which would just sound worse.

@FoolsGold, @Millium, and @OwlsWriteLetters would have died during the Night. BUT THEY SOMEHOW SURVIVED. They were Werewolf Ravenous Beast, Rebel False Claim Desperado, and Mafia Mooncaller.

In addition, @Zone_Q11 has been exiled and @based has returned.

Day 4 Starts now.

Sorry for the delay; human error.

Day 4 will last until 2 PM PST on April 10th.

@TheLukundo @Tsumugi @Zone_Q11 @Tilgarial @Millium @OwlsWriteLetters @TwoPlayersAndAOnion @beancat @FateShirou @SkillIssue @ATNoLeafia @TimHortons @DunkinDonuts @based @Boquise @FoolsGold @KurosakiIchogo @SeonRichard @TownMisleaders @TreeReaper @Whysper

Owls flipped mafia according to this post @Kurosaki Ichigo .

-CRichard

I was talking about the dead

Shouldn't we kill Foolsgold because they're ww?

Oh sorry. If you're talking about the dead, then none of them have flipped mafia.

-CRichard

It's worse, they're all townspeople. The important thing is whether they are truly an informed minority or not

If town is the informed minority in this setup, then assuming that the hosts made them 1/4 of the player list. If there are more than 6 players who have flipped town, then that proves town isn't the informed minority.

-CRichard

we can only wait until then

[FoolsGold]

Ngl, it's not every game where town being uninformed majority isn't automatically true.

-CRichard

^^^

Anyway @Kurosaki Ichigo, heck if I know how to "convince" you. Most of both my and my hydramates contributions have been in the ??? chat, and we're just as confused as anyone else in there as a result. If you have specific questions I or other mates can try to answer them, but just spewing random info doesn't seem useful here atm.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Then i have no idea why you'd trust that 1. Werewolves are against UnInMaj wincon, and 2. that anyone is staying the same general side of the fence on flip.

You're very quiet in the game, I find it suspicious

"You" meaning one of four people who all missed the last vote deadline and got yeeted for it. Yeaaaaaaaah about that.

I'm so sorry I don't have this information, let's talk more about this game

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Ngl, it's not every game where town being uninformed majority isn't automatically true.

-CRichard

^^^

Anyway @Kurosaki Ichigo, heck if I know how to "convince" you. Most of both my and my hydramates contributions have been in the ??? chat, and we're just as confused as anyone else in there as a result. If you have specific questions I or other mates can try to answer them, but just spewing random info doesn't seem useful here atm.

Any information is useful. Talking more in a chat than here, where everyone can see and judge, is not good for the game.
Uninformed people need to understand from somewhere, so why not talk in the game thread?

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

[SeonRichard]

Am I silly thinking that Kurosaki is rand >uninformed majority from their exchange with Foolsgold?
They have a point saying that it's better for the uninformed majority for people to post more in the thread, than in their private chats. Which makes sense as the more people talk in thread the sooner people can figure out this flustercuck.

-CRichard

[SeonRichard]

Here's the thing. If we trust Millium, then Mafia is uninformed majority yet none of the dead are mafia. If my thinking is correct, we'll know which faction is uninformed majority if that faction has more than 6 dead slots with the flip.

-CRichard

[TreeReaper]

I'm inclined to believe the cop check on Whysper is legit, because I made no secret that I don't town read Whysper.
That being said, in a bastard game like this there are mechanics that could mess with a cop such as framer.
One problem I have with revealing the cop check this early, is that if it's real then Whysper can limit spew.

-CRichard

ITS FAKE

Oh it's fake? I was expecting you to tell me that the check was FPS on their part.

-CRichard

Tim Horton's told the chat he was in, that he was going to do it

Did he say what the point of this was? I just worried that people are only going to notice the fake red check and not even follow up in reading that it was fake.

let's find out then **/vote Tim Horton's**

~Solic

[TownMisleaders]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

why did you never claim your original role was mafia
not sure i buy this

[Whysper]

@Whysper Your the one that douses people in blood right? How come you didnt show up on my watch, my shit was on the misleaders slot but only i showed up there.

Yes, I do the Shaman blood thing. And yes, I did target TownMisleaders last night. It doesn't say anything on the ability about it not counting as a visit. But my ability may take precedence over a watch, which might then make it so the watch doesn't work since it makes targeting harder.

Correct, this was an error on osie part you did show up on my watch.

Okay, cool. Good to know.

[Tilgarial]

@SeonRichard you said somewhere I didn't kidnap zone due to kidnapöing and exile being different mechanics; my abiity was always exile, people simomy talked about it as kidnapping due to more familiarity with the term (or something? Maybe?)


Has anybody considered that maybe the end flips aren't the "core" role, but mafia/town depending on wether they were informed minority/uninformed majority, like it would be in a regular game, disregarding their actual faction?
As far as I'm aware, all "final" flips were town, which doesn't add up with all the factions we know of, ngl

(Yes, side note, millium has info that people with the known mafia role are uninformed majority. Mafia in this post was used independent of said faction, as a counterpoint to town. Those with a mafia role would flip town in a world where this post is true and milliums info is true too.)

Other corrections to make:
I exiled/kidnapped beancat N1, based N2, and now zone N3. 3 uses.

...I forgot the others, but there were more that weren't related to me. Regardless, there's a lot of misinformation going on and I don't have the posts to correct them all. (Also, I'm lazy and my memory is bad. I don't want to and shouldn't be the one keeping things straight.)
But it was enough for me realize that ya'll aren't going to be doing... well, anything really, if ya'll don't get your info straight.
....good luck with that, I guess

[SeonRichard]

@SeonRichard you said somewhere I didn't kidnap zone due to kidnapöing and exile being different mechanics; my abiity was always exile, people simomy talked about it as kidnapping due to more familiarity with the term (or something? Maybe?)


Has anybody considered that maybe the end flips aren't the "core" role, but mafia/town depending on wether they were informed minority/uninformed majority, like it would be in a regular game, disregarding their actual faction?
As far as I'm aware, all "final" flips were town, which doesn't add up with all the factions we know of, ngl

(Yes, side note, millium has info that people with the known mafia role are uninformed majority. Mafia in this post was used independent of said faction, as a counterpoint to town. Those with a mafia role would flip town in a world where this post is true and milliums info is true too.)

Other corrections to make:
I exiled/kidnapped beancat N1, based N2, and now zone N3. 3 uses.

...I forgot the others, but there were more that weren't related to me. Regardless, there's a lot of misinformation going on and I don't have the posts to correct them all. (Also, I'm lazy and my memory is bad. I don't want to and shouldn't be the one keeping things straight.)
But it was enough for me realize that ya'll aren't going to be doing... well, anything really, if ya'll don't get your info straight.
....good luck with that, I guess

I stand corrected.

-CRichard

[SeonRichard]

Curiously enough, out of the dead slots so far. Two of them were town on both flips. The only exception is SpectatoChat, who flipped Neutral Copsonistado (Cop + Desperado?) and then Town Token on the second flip. It could be either a fluke with Spectato's role or anyone who is neutral on the 1st flip instead flips a different alignment on the 2nd flip.
It's hard to tell, as there are only 3 deaths so far.

-CRichard

[SeonRichard]

Flips of dead slots for reference.
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/osies- ... eonrichard

-CRichard

[OwlsWriteLetters]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

[FateShirou]

Our core role is mafia so we're going to begrudgingly make an attempt to get a better grasp of this game. Not ideal for us but we'll do what we can.

I swear I set aside a chunk of time for this, then i fell asleep instead lol

Luckily this post was made:

I was told

1. Mafia are uninformed good aligned majority
2. Rebels are uninformed good aligned majority
3. Town are informed bad aligned minority (the way Osie worded it though, was "I can assume they are"

If mafia has majority why haven't any of them flipped so far?

Always nice when people out themselves, very helpful to me

[VOTE: kurosaki ichigo] aubergine

Explain how this is a gotcha

~~meeting the min post thing~~

[Millium]

Ya I don't get it

[SeonRichard]

#2. DkKoba @MathBlade - Rebel Archaeologist -> Town Maria Sekiutsu -> Town Telephone, Eliminated Day 3.
#14. @Cream + @Joker + @Lissi + @Psyx (@SpectatoChat) - Neutral Copsonistado -> Town Token, Died Night 2.
#16. @Kiiruma (non-invite) - Town Kirby -> Town Editor, Died Night 2.

Any help on the colors, it doesn't appear to be LGBTQ flags, most of em don't match despite Mathblades second flip.

One thing i did notice is that colors only started to occur during the 2nd and third role; which fits kinda into the whole initial wincon and core wincon thingy
I feel like white seems to be important tho we could just be grasping at straws and it could just be another meme rule

-seon

[Millium]

Hmm thanks for pointing that, I didn't honestly even think of that, sad that so many many things in this game could mean literally nothing or mean everything