The Syndicate

happy pride month, y'all. i have no legacy because my chances of dying tonight are virtually zero =)

Vul/Tangloeyn is overall a pretty viable world but there are a couple things giving me pause

which are maybe not objectively "major points"

but

idk if Chloe takes the 'omg Arete shut up about Vul, you're using your townread on Vul, who is obvious town, to get out of having to make actual reads' angle if she's scum with Vul, both because I think 'talking about Vul is a waste of time when he's such an obvious villager' is a perspective she'd have mild difficulty faking if she had TMI that Vul was a wolf and because presumably wolves wouldn't want me to shut up about Vul

another thing I'm Idly Pondering and haven't gotten to an actual conclusion to yet is how wolves would respond to me continuing to harddefend him and build worlds where he's a villager despite Sunbae's claimed check (in worlds where he's a wolf)

e.g. whether they would have continued to stay the course on Vul or whether they would have taken advantage of it to save him

this post is kind of useless because I don't actually know which but I think it's Worth Thinking About

if I close the thread before EoD and don't read the flip it's not real and it can't hurt me

i have no legacy because i have no chance of dying and nothing to prove

being ic is kinda nice actually

Arete wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:55 pm another thing I'm Idly Pondering and haven't gotten to an actual conclusion to yet is how wolves would respond to me continuing to harddefend him and build worlds where he's a villager despite Sunbae's claimed check (in worlds where he's a wolf)

e.g. whether they would have continued to stay the course on Vul or whether they would have taken advantage of it to save him

this post is kind of useless because I don't actually know which but I think it's Worth Thinking About

mildly inclined to think this depends on who his teammates are

e.g. if he's the deepest wolf and the rest of the wolves are mid-to-bottom PoE I'd expect them to be more likely to try and take advantage of my read as a Hail Mary play vs. if the other wolves, or one of the other wolves, is widely townread then I'd expect them not to risk it and just be like 'no he's a wolf'

i didn't get my role card until just now, is red a good colour guys

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

yo soy homosexual

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:58 pm i didn't get my role card until just now, is red a good colour guys

yes, it gives you a neighborhood with some confirmed villagers

you should out who else is in the neighborhood to make it easier to PoE

very important legacy post

glgl

wagon seems pure

THREAD LOCKED

Vulgard eliminated

Mafia 2-shot role blocker

Night 3 will last 24 hours. I will be as quick as I can about the lecture stuff. Thanks for patience.

Pop quiz

1. Write a rule that, as efficiently as possible, describes the category of objects above the center line but not the category of objects below the center line.



2. Which of the following objects, X or Y, would an observer be more likely to classify to Category A according to prototype theory?



3. Some evidence suggests that humans have the capacity for "one-shot learning"; that is, we seem to be able to effectively obtain new concepts with only a single exposure to a new object or category in the environment and no prior experience. Which of the three primary representation paradigms, rules, prototypes, or examplars, would be the least effective for accounting for this phenomenon?

4. Refer again to the image for question #1. What are two pairs of objects (each pair featuring any one object above and one one below the line) that can have their positions switched to create a new category above the line for which a comprehensive two-dimensional rule can be provided? To clarify, this means the new category can be accounted for in its entirety by only referring to two of the dimensions defining the category while the other dimension(s) are ignored.

Night 3 has ended.

sunbae has been killed. They were the student in the back of the room that shakes their head derisively when the smartass up front wants to try to correct the instructor:


Day 4 is underway. You have 48 hours to vote for someone.

Unit 2 answer key


Unit 3 answer key

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine
Back to sleep

sunbae goat



It occurs to me that vulgard may have tried to RB amy but kill someone else. Maybe sunbae? and when he saw my post at SOD he wondered if I'd targeted sunbae and could get him yeeted. He also did repeat over and over the possibility of Sunbae being cc'd, almost like he expected it. I anticipated him either rolling over or trying to CC; claiming vt and declaring his complete trust of sunbae surprised me. I'm not sure why he tried to fight it without really pushing that hard for the alternatives or expressing a more coherent worldview. Maybe he wanted to see if there was a chance of dya going down instead (town or wolf, doesn't matter much) so he could 100% kill sunbae tonight (can't JK the same person consecutively, also maybe wrote off kza as dead weight and holstered the RB n1 with the n3 vig in mind).

Tangentially, I think I townread arete far too easily yesterday. Arete going completely ham defending Vulgard and accusing Sunbae of carrying the kill and being the real JK target makes me go hmmm. If wolves did try to kill sunbae n2, I think vul/arete went all out hoping I was the real JK who targeted sunbae or something. When sunbae claimed, they realized the house of cards was about to fall and declared code yolo, then cooled the jets once it became clear sunbae was real, vulgard was gonna die, and arete was getting townread. Vulgard basically gave up, Arete backed off and started acting like vul was a wolf after being 99% sure they weren’t. Arete being a wolf doesn’t require an attempted n2 sunbae kill causing wolves to believe I was the real JK, but it makes some sense if that was the case.

The way Arete went on about their fucking godread, posted that damn spreadsheet how they’re never ever wrong, referred to multiple instances of vulgard being redchecked as town and Arete still correctly defending them, "99% sure vulgard is a villager" .... It's just too much, feels slimy and disingenuous.

Maybe it's driven in part by irritation and/or some subconscious desire to rub arete's nose in it after the shit they gave me this game for daring to question the mutual godread thing. Personally, I don't understand how they thought vulgard's mediocre d2 and wolfy d3 were SO villagy, especially with such confidence and arrogance. Vulgard had a good d1 (despite a couple wtf posts/thoughts), but I fail to see what was so remarkably towny about their posts on subsequent days. Arete’s posts in this game have been so narrowly focused on going on about how vulgard couldn't possibly be a wolf, to the point others were begging them to talk about something else. Deserves scrutiny and they’re gonna need to slam some impressive depth of thought and breadth of focus on the table going forward.

In any case, it's something I've been mulling over. haha bronana expanding the POE goes brrr. Arete is probably not w/w with syn because of the d1 wall case on tangy, fwiw.

thanks for the carry sunbae, enjoy dvc

FOUR INNOCENT CHILDREN

Amy
bronana
Marluxion
outed wolf

FOUR INNOCENT CHILDREN

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Dizzy
nutella
spf

c4

Arete
dya
Syn

[VOTE: dya] aubergine

We carry dirt

i wanna do dya or syn today i think

probably need to actually put my back into it now

Take issue with Dizzy being above spf

now that we've confirmed vulgard got redchecked i feel pretty confident that spf's reaction to the c4 "redcheck" is pretty much clearing for her

nutella i still don't wanna touch until f3

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

I underestimated vulgard, wrote him off as yet another in the Legion of godread spam artists, but being willing to make yourself look a fool like that is a rare trait in wolves

Also lol arete I am literally never listening to anything you say again. I should've learnt my lesson from hydra game 3 but here we are. I am also going to ignore anyone who ever talks about a godread again.

(arete that bit is a little tongue in cheek don't take it seriously)

(But I am serious)

It's dya and C4 with a side of syn I guess

C4 just tanking as the game goes on

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:10 pm Take issue with Dizzy being above spf

every list I post is just alphabetical within tiers

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

weh

in hindsight I kind of felt like their perspective on Vul yesterday was consistently 'whatever the thread thinks' (like, when Sunbae first outed the check they basically assumed Vulgard was a wolf, then when people started to bring up alternative mech possibilities they switched back to thinking he was a villager, then they went back to thinking he was a wolf when the thread turned against him)

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:24 pm Arete, I think it was you that asked

I think vulgard's been mostly v all game. I initially voted vulgard when sunbae outed info because it seemed very damning, then I thought about it more

I don't think it's as clear cut as sunbae is making it because I've seen wolves do stupid things before. they may have targeted vulgard tonight (possibly a PR read)

Marl could have tried to kill vulgard due to the fake claim

or

Vulgard could be a wolf

There are 2 scenarios where vulgard is a villa, so i voted the person I had just read an iso of and had concerns about instead

also I don't really like this post because it's trying to suggest that the fact that there are two possible mechanical worlds where Vulgard is a villager is ... relevant at all, really, when it matters how likely those worlds are

bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:13 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:10 pm Take issue with Dizzy being above spf

every list I post is just alphabetical within tiers

Oh
That makes sense

Rephrase

Take issue with Dizzy not being below spf

if anyone wants me to like

answer questions about my read on Vulgard or my thought process there

I can do that

I don't know if having me answer questions in retrospective would actually help anyone read me at all but I figure it can't hurt to offer

arete i want you to talk about quite literally everyone in the game EXCEPT vulgard

Talk about literally anyone else but vulgard holy shit lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 pm @sunbae I found the things that made me tinfoil Dya/Vulgard.
May or may not be extremely dumb.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 amI'm kinda townreading Dya for their consistent frustration over being scumread, but at the same time I can only mildly townread them for it for so long. This and their Alison scumread they've been repping for a while are the only things I remember Dya doing, while most other players have voiced reads on every other player in the game, done significant analysis, etc.

Using the word "repping" is interesting, because it doesn't signal to me a mindframe that it's a read Dya is having, but rather projecting.

However, first of all, lol language. And I also gathered that Vulgard, from what I understand, is not a native English speaker like myself. And I myself may misread the significance of this particular word here. But it crossed my mind.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:32 am I think I've been fairly consistent in saying that you haven't been exclusively tunneling Alison, but that your read on Alison is definitely the highlight of your contributions so far. It's the first thing I associate with you in this game, outside of the constant defensive attitude. The defensive attitude part is something I could see being NAI based on how I saw you play as town sometimes, but yeah.

Speaking of reads outside of Alison, do the flips give you more reads outside of Alison? What do you think @ my townread of Alison?

Also this. I don't quite understand, because they say the defensive attitude could be NAI based on how they have seen Dya as town. Does this mean that Dya is not town here? Is it meant to say "based on how I saw you play as scum"? Am I reading this wrong or reading too much into this?

To be clear, I actually read Vulgard as more town. And I don't really have a read on Dya. But these are two things that crossed my mind, and they are very detailed, so it may just be me reading too much into things.

[Is this tmi meme]

bronana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:04 pm

Tangentially, I think I townread arete far too easily yesterday. Arete going completely ham defending Vulgard and accusing Sunbae of carrying the kill and being the real JK target makes me go hmmm. If wolves did try to kill sunbae n2, I think vul/arete went all out hoping I was the real JK who targeted sunbae or something. When sunbae claimed, they realized the house of cards was about to fall and declared code yolo, then cooled the jets once it became clear sunbae was real, vulgard was gonna die, and arete was getting townread. Vulgard basically gave up, Arete backed off and started acting like vul was a wolf after being 99% sure they weren’t. Arete being a wolf doesn’t require an attempted n2 sunbae kill causing wolves to believe I was the real JK, but it makes some sense if that was the case.

also this theory doesn't work because Amy outed that they hadn't been roleblocked before you made the post that kind of looked like a hypoclaim to jail Sunbae, so wolves would know that Vulgard had been blocked assuming that they tried to roleblock Amy in the first place

Fwiw I'm perfectly happy to kill arete the day before lylo If we get there

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:10 pm now that we've confirmed vulgard got redchecked i feel pretty confident that spf's reaction to the c4 "redcheck" is pretty much clearing for her

nutella i still don't wanna touch until f3

I have not followed the game, but wait why. My PoE right now is c4/Nut/spf. And yes, I know (at least) two of these are town, so don’t freak out if you are one.

Dya lolcatting with Vul makes them outed wolf.

Will figure it out once I’m on my way home again, which is tomorrow.

But at the top of my mind, spf probably also town.

Got some distancy vibes between Dya/Nut at a point where Dya went against consensus town read on Nut at a point in the game. However, there is the KZA/Nut interaction. Will revisit.

nut's been pretty hard on dya all game