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[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I generally find it weird when the possibility of ultra low volume wolf busses active wolf comes up but nutella seemed like they got railroaded so early maybe that thought is valid.

It's a good question, you'd think if Made and/or Owner were also scum, they'd prefer one of them to go than nutella from a thread presence perspective.

The notion of role strength also applies -- and nutella's role at least seems like it could be a strong one. The dynamic of Day 1 dictates a lot of decision making given that nutella was a runaway wagon for a while. If Made is mafia, then I suspect teammates of both were keen to chop him instead when he became the counterwagon. There's a lot of wifom in this so I will grain of salt it until I can review things more carefully.

Yeah, that's a really good point.

No it isn't, for all we know nutella had a weak role compared to the rest of the team

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

Could be. I don't recall the timing of things precisely.

[Alison]

Seanzie is probably derpcleared for pushing me after I was poisoned. And not realizing that I buried nutella in general.

[Alison]

Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

Hmmm... yeah, it's hard to know because if scum were getting disproportionate votes and attention, especially down the stretch, you wonder how much comfortable or not they'd have felt bussing. I imagine nutella would be okay with bussing too. But that shouldn't negate the perspective you're providing here either.

[Tangrowth]

Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

I don't see how that's possible.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

popcornemoji

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

Could be. I don't recall the timing of things precisely.

I do, its literally why I voted her lol

[Sloonei]

My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I ask this as what felt like the only person entertaining Hawk's name in relation to suspicion yesterday: Why is Hawk's name on this list?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ooh exciting I'm gonna pretend to be intrigued!

[Sloonei]

Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

Why did you target Tangrowth?

[Tangrowth]

I don't have much else to say about it, it's incorrect information, possible that in a madnessy game that something got flipped I guess. I don't know why Alison would lie.

[Alison]

Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

Why did you target Tangrowth?

Because she defended nutella really hard and I thought it would be helpful to see why she did that.

[hawkataine]

Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

The thing that bugged me about their interaction was that nutella had been shading owner gently pretty much all day but never really pushed there, and then when she came back while the leading wagon she still didn't seem interested in trying to form a wagon there at all, even though owner had the next most votes. Idk if someone more familiar with nutella could comment on whether that means anything?

[Guillotine]

My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I ask this as what felt like the only person entertaining Hawk's name in relation to suspicion yesterday: Why is Hawk's name on this list?

I already stated why I suspect him, look into my ISO, you'll see it, I also thought you looked good from it.

[Tangrowth]

Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

Why did you target Tangrowth?

Because she defended nutella really hard and I thought it would be helpful to see why she did that.

Shrugs, I wouldn't say I consistently defended her really hard, but yeah, I thought she was town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

The thing that bugged me about their interaction was that nutella had been shading owner gently pretty much all day but never really pushed there, and then when she came back while the leading wagon she still didn't seem interested in trying to form a wagon there at all, even though owner had the next most votes. Idk if someone more familiar with nutella could comment on whether that means anything?

Naw she was pushing her before she became a wagon, its literally why I started voting nutella lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Tangrowth if you're town you might as well just carry on with your solving.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

The thing that bugged me about their interaction was that nutella had been shading owner gently pretty much all day but never really pushed there, and then when she came back while the leading wagon she still didn't seem interested in trying to form a wagon there at all, even though owner had the next most votes. Idk if someone more familiar with nutella could comment on whether that means anything?

Naw she was pushing her before she became a wagon, its literally why I started voting nutella lol

After she became a wagon is irrelevant, nutes knew she was probably going down by that point and was almost certainly trying not to out her partners

[Tangrowth]

I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.

[Tangrowth]

@Tangrowth if you're town you might as well just carry on with your solving.

Sigh.

[Seanzie]

Seanzie is probably derpcleared for pushing me after I was poisoned. And not realizing that I buried nutella in general.

I saw you were poisoned. Since it was announced in thread and some people were suspecting you at least early D1, I personally am not convinced it was done by mafia. I could be wrong though.

I am on page 10, so no, I don't know much about what you did with Nutella.

Derp clear not accepted. Read me for realzies.

[hawkataine]

My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I ask this as what felt like the only person entertaining Hawk's name in relation to suspicion yesterday: Why is Hawk's name on this list?

I already stated why I suspect him, look into my ISO, you'll see it, I also thought you looked good from it.

hellooooo I am still female
you're clearly not interested in actually picking my brains over this so lmk if you change your mind and have questions lol

[Tangrowth]

Seriously fuck role madness right now.

[Tangrowth]

I'll do some digging later, I'm multitasking anyway and this is upsetting.

[Sloonei]

My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I ask this as what felt like the only person entertaining Hawk's name in relation to suspicion yesterday: Why is Hawk's name on this list?

I already stated why I suspect him, look into my ISO, you'll see it, I also thought you looked good from it.

Part of why I'm asking is so that we call have your answer right here and right now in the thread to talk it over.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(Mandatory reminder that if Alison is faking and there's a real cop out there don't cc until/unless there's 12 hours left and shes still holding it. Otherwise let it play out)

[Guillotine]

I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.

Do you townread Alison?

[Guillotine]

My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I ask this as what felt like the only person entertaining Hawk's name in relation to suspicion yesterday: Why is Hawk's name on this list?

I already stated why I suspect him, look into my ISO, you'll see it, I also thought you looked good from it.

Part of why I'm asking is so that we call have your answer right here and right now in the thread to talk it over.

But I just posted it, why can't you ISO me instead of making it post it TWICE today?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any immediate instincts on Made?

[Seanzie]

Everything about Actv/Nutella I've read so far give me the heeby-jeebies. Nutella went super softball with her suspicion of Actv early on, and Actv is NOT at all reacting to Nutella like suspicious/paranoid Actv I've come to expect.

[Tangrowth]

I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.

Do you townread Alison?

I don't know. I had some hesitation on her yesterday, but my gut thinks she looks better in light of nutella's flip (need to confirm through digging or look at Jay's thing if he's going to ISO Alison), so my inclination is that she's town. Additionally, I certainly don't know why she would be doing this right now if she were scum, it doesn't make sense to me.

[Seanzie]

(Mandatory reminder that if Alison is faking and there's a real cop out there don't cc until/unless there's 12 hours left and shes still holding it. Otherwise let it play out)

As long as no one claims spam, I'm not counterclaiming.

[MacDougall]

wellety wellety wellety

[hawkataine]

Hawk said some things to me a while ago and I want to respond before it gets lost.

Similar thing here, I appreciate you encouraging us but I guess I was suspicious of it? xD Especially because you were not a prime top-posting culprit

I am normally one of the prime top-posting culprits, and I have been consciously restrained this game, as well as some temporary time-constraints. I do not understand why this is something that would factor into a suspicion at all, though. Could you explain this thought process some more? Why does this particular incongruity factor into your ideas about my alignment at all?

This one is still a bit pingy to me because of the way it's worded, like it's not really an answer to the question, I can't tell if you mean you don't mind other people forming town squads (in which case that's really not an answer or even much of a statement), or if this is actually a comment on the content of those town squads (in which case you sort of do have a town squad?).

Anyway these were the sorts of posts that I was sideeyeing you for, even if I had forgotten exactly what the content of them was

I was answering Jay specifically. Think of us as an old married couple with our own mode of communication. We've played a zillion games together and tend to follow the same playbook, so when one of us asks a question to the other, it is usually for a very specific reason. I can try to explain what was going on in this particular exchange:

Jay and I will usually both start the game out by trying to identify as many solid town reads as we can on Day 1. From there, we'll work toward narrowing down the pool of suspects until we have a small group of suspects that the "towncore" can agree on. Then things are re-evaluated on Day 2 onward, etc., etc.

But I haven't been participating actively in that gameplan here. I've been hanging out in the background instead. I returned to the thread and announced that I was up to date. Jay saw that and asked me if I had my own list of town reads, as he and others had provided. My answer was no, I did not have such a list. But I also had no major disagreements with the players who had been receiving town-reads up to that point. So I said that. Worded in a way that will make sense to the person who asked it, because it was a question that was very specifically tailored to me.

I think my vague thoughts were that it was weird you were telling other people to be quieter as I guess I didn't think PerC people were likely to fill the void so it was like shutting down the thread a little bit. Which is honestly a noble goal in retrospect, I was very much skimming to catch up and it was the impression that remained more than the reasoning, but you asked which posts sparked the impression so I answered even though my reasoning is bad xD

Ty for the JJJ explanation, is also good to know that you normally are a higher poster as that makes context clearer

[MacDougall]

(Mandatory reminder that if Alison is faking and there's a real cop out there don't cc until/unless there's 12 hours left and shes still holding it. Otherwise let it play out)

As long as no one claims spam, I'm not counterclaiming.

um excuse me what the fuck im a cop lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella voters: Alison, Sonny, Made, lost monkey, Gavial, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Guillotine

This wagon looks extremely clean. At a glance the only bus I think would make much sense is Made, if anyone.

[Guillotine]

My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I ask this as what felt like the only person entertaining Hawk's name in relation to suspicion yesterday: Why is Hawk's name on this list?

I already stated why I suspect him, look into my ISO, you'll see it, I also thought you looked good from it.

hellooooo I am still female
you're clearly not interested in actually picking my brains over this so lmk if you change your mind and have questions lol

I'm sorry, it's not intentional, it's hard to remember all pronouns, give me time please.

[Seanzie]

@Tangrowth do you know Hawk from before this game?

[lost monkey]

Good thing even though i was lurking in the thread at the end of the day, nutella did too many shady stuff so i didnt rescind my vote.

[Alison]

Seanzie is probably derpcleared for pushing me after I was poisoned. And not realizing that I buried nutella in general.

I saw you were poisoned. Since it was announced in thread and some people were suspecting you at least early D1, I personally am not convinced it was done by mafia. I could be wrong though.

I am on page 10, so no, I don't know much about what you did with Nutella.

Derp clear not accepted. Read me for realzies.

There is 0 chance that was done by town.

[Tangrowth]

@Tangrowth do you know Hawk from before this game?

I don't think so, why?

[lost monkey]

guillo, act, allison, gavial are in my no way ill lynch pile. Mac and nanook are town leans for now.

[MacDougall]

So there was a period yesterday where I became utterly convinced that Jay was Nutella's wolf teammate and it was around the time Nutella got utterly railroaded by ya boi and he voted her briefly (and mega opportunistically) and then super awkwardly found a line to get his vote off her and in catch up he literally did it again so what I am saying is I have a red check on Jay.

[lost monkey]

Though tangrowth was the one who started the made lynch wagon i didnt expect her to come up as scum.

[Allcrab]

I think made is village for reasons many will probably call weak but the way they defended alison when I sus'd them kinda feeling real like in anycase I kinda feel like made is playing against win con if they wolf defending villagers and voting a wolf they literally gave themselves an out to not suspect.

It doesn't make sense to me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any immediate instincts on Made?

I thought he was kinda townie yesterday but its not a confident read and i haven't read most of his posts

[Seanzie]

Seanzie is probably derpcleared for pushing me after I was poisoned. And not realizing that I buried nutella in general.

I saw you were poisoned. Since it was announced in thread and some people were suspecting you at least early D1, I personally am not convinced it was done by mafia. I could be wrong though.

I am on page 10, so no, I don't know much about what you did with Nutella.

Derp clear not accepted. Read me for realzies.

There is 0 chance that was done by town.

When I'm actually caught up, we can revisit this. For now, derpclear still not accepted. You need to read me for better reasons than that.

[MacDougall]

guillo, act, allison, gavial are in my no way ill lynch pile. Mac and nanook are town leans for now.

Um excuse me I am an inno child

[Alison]

Very well. I rescind my red check claim on Tangrowth.