Inception [Inception Phase 4]

#1

We have to go deeper.

You have submerged into a new dream level. Your reality is here now, and what came before is forgotten. For now.

The rules that govern this dream are different.

As you retreat deeper into the subconscious mind, the lines between what you see in front of you and what you see within you are blurred. You jaunt from one scene to another in a flash, at speeds so impossible as to make it a sure falsehood. Yet you do not perceive it as so. This is the world. This has always been the world. It makes perfect sense.

Voting in this dream level will no longer take place in a poll. You will no longer call your votes in the thread. Both of these are banned. Voting must be handled PRIVATELY. At any time during the subconscious phase, you may place a vote by sending a personal message to both hosts: JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei. You may change your vote at will as many times as you like. The hosts will not provide any tally.

Likewise, each of the following is prohibited on this dream level:

~ Stating who you will vote for.
~ Recommending others vote for any specific player.
~ Rainbow lists
~ Any other obvious actions which do or can reduce your potential vote with certainty to a single player.
~ Compile a public count of potential votes, even if uncertain, based upon content in the thread.

What can you do?

~ Build a case or cases.
~ Review an ISO.
~ Engage in real-time discussion featuring accusations, defenses, or whatever other ordinary talking points which do not equate to "I will be voting for Player X" or anything similar.
~ Project your vote to a group of three or more players minimum.
~ Recommend others vote within a group of three or more players minimum.

Just to clarify!

Stating an intent to vote for a specific player overtly is illegal. Given that there is potentially obvious subtext in similar commentary such as "Player X is mafia", that should also be avoided. Apply the rule of three-or-more in all such instances! I appreciate your respect for the rules. I realize it's unusual. As always, PM the hosts with any questions!

If it is unclear, you may only vote for players located here with you. Observe this accordingly as you follow the stated rules. Thanks!

If you want to say something and are uncertain whether it would fall in line with these rules or the intended spirit of these rules, ask the hosts privately first. Otherwise, if you think a post might not respect these guidelines fully, then it is best left unposted. Any violation, or any attempt at exploiting a loophole, will result in punishment to your faction. This rule exists for a reason.

Role claiming and information claiming remain illegal.

Deadline Timer

PLAYERS IN THIS DREAM

112
Dom
Epignosis
Evenstar
iaafr
Jackofhearts2005
Lady LambdaDelta
MacDougall
Master Radishes
Michelle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
novaselinenever
Pawn Lelouch
Quin
Rej / ColinIsCool
sprityo

#2

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#3

PLEASE

READ

ALL

RULES

BEFORE

PROCEEDING

#4

You don't recognize him, but you're expecting him. You were always expecting him.
"Your ride is outside." he says to you.
You nod, drape your coat over your shoulders, and wave farewell to Monty.
The man leads you outside, and the rain is intense. Your coat is an insufficient shield.
He opens the backdoor and ushers you into the limousine.
There are others here. You expected them as well.
As you pass through the city, people outside glare into the vehicle. The rain soaks them.
Their behavior is ordinary and uninteresting. You're approaching your destination.
The entrance to the building is supported by three broad pillars. They are separately colored blue, white, and red.
Etched prominently into each pillar is the letter Y. The aesthetic is quite ugly.
You hear a string of loud pops somewhere outside behind the vehicle. Tires squeal.
You're a bit subdued by the three complimentary glasses of red wine you just enjoyed.
You're extremely groggy. Your eyelids flutter reflexively as your alertness fades. Fades. Fades.

Inception Phase 1 has ended.

Subconscious Phase 2 begins now. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

The following players populate this location:

[mention]112[/mention]
[mention]Dom[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]Evenstar[/mention]
[mention]iaafr[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]Master Radishes[/mention]
[mention]Michelle[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]
Rej / [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Reiterating again: PLEASE READ ALL RULES BEFORE PROCEEDING!

#5

Well I'm adequately confused

#6

Oh shit [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] did you replace Rej?

#7

Lol @ Evenstar, Lexi, Nanook and Pawn all being here.

#8

Dafuq.

#9

I typed some things up, but I don't know if I can post them now.

#10

What the fuck is this.

Ok I guess I’m not gonna say much cause I don’t fully understand the rules of this but I’d like to keep playing.

I would like accolades for the drago kill though, please and thank you.

And also Nutella is like almost always town but apparently she’s not here

#11

... okay that's a heck of a nightkill

uh,

nowwhat.jpg

#12

WHere's Benson

#13

The suckiest part is that we can't see the poll results from yesterday, nor can we go through the EOD to solve people from the lynch. Perhaps we should begin by asking for a little honesty session and trying to piece together who did what yesterday?

#14

So this is some weird separated thread shit right? Seems unlikely half the game died with no flips lol

#15

I definitely have conclusions based on the lynch as well, but I'm only half-paying attention at the moment and not sure if I need to tweak what I want to say when accusing certain players.

#16

Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:08 pm ... okay that's a heck of a nightkill

uh,

nowwhat.jpg

i can't find the night kill?

#17

I copied and pasted the poll results. Hell, I still have the tab up. I see nothing in the rules about posting the poll from Day 1.

#18

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:08 pm The suckiest part is that we can't see the poll results from yesterday, nor can we go through the EOD to solve people from the lynch. Perhaps we should begin by asking for a little honesty session and trying to piece together who did what yesterday?

I can tell you who voted for 112 instead of Drago. And in what order. And the context of each vote. I was reading over it a few hours ago and made some notes.

I'm pretty sure that's allowed?

#19

I killed scum, hbu?

#20

welp let's dream. I guess we are mixed anway

#21

-JJJ, probably

#22

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm So this is some weird separated thread shit right? Seems unlikely half the game died with no flips lol

I've played in games on here before that have utilised a separated thread mechanic. It's not usual but it would be my first guess. It's possible that we might be the dead or something too.

#23

Did rabbits ever actually vote for drago yesterday

#24

but firstly being midnight at me i'll go to sleep.

#25

#26

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm So this is some weird separated thread shit right? Seems unlikely half the game died with no flips lol
I've played in games on here before that have utilised a separated thread mechanic. It's not usual but it would be my first guess. It's possible that we might be the dead or something too.

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Possible this is like a face off of sorts where we don’t actually decide who dies. Idk lets just make the most of it I guess

#27

... This is a completely different game

And a super fucking weird one too

So...

16 out of 29 players are here.
So there are 13 people missing.
13 deaths in one night is way too much
and "at this level", "in this location"

those 13 people are literally still in the first level of the dream playing by the rules we had there
and we get to do whateverthefuck this is

Cool, I guess?

#28

wait i made a tier list i cant post now

#29

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm So this is some weird separated thread shit right? Seems unlikely half the game died with no flips lol
I've played in games on here before that have utilised a separated thread mechanic. It's not usual but it would be my first guess. It's possible that we might be the dead or something too.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Possible this is like a face off of sorts where we don’t actually decide who dies. Idk lets just make the most of it I guess

Maybe we're voting for who gets to go back lol.

#30

it was actually so sick i think i solved the whole game

wtf man

#31

so i cant talk about who i suspect?

what do i do now

#32

God, those voting rules cramp my style all to hell

#33

Give us a list of 3+ then, just don’t differentiate

#34

Subconscious Phase 1
Who threatens the subconscious mind?
Poll ended at Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

112
7
23%
Voters: Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
Benson
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dragomir
10
32%
Voters: Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
Elephant
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
1
3%
Voters: MacDougall
Evenstar
3
10%
Voters: Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
Hyena
2
6%
Voters: Dom, Michelle
iaafr
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
juliets
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lady Lambdadelta
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
1
3%
Voters: Dragomir
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
novaselinenever
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
1
3%
Voters: Lady LambdaDelta
Pawn Lelouch
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Rej
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spiny Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Texas Cloverleaf
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Trustworthy Liberal
1
3%
Voters: 112
vanity.
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Lynch
2
6%
Voters: iaafr, boo
No vote presently/unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
This is ONLY for hosts/non-players
3
10%
Voters: Sloonei, speedchuck, JaggedJimmyJay
Total votes: 31

++++

Subconscious Phase 1
Consolidated tally, easier to read

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112

#35

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm I copied and pasted the poll results. Hell, I still have the tab up. I see nothing in the rules about posting the poll from Day 1.

Do it before Jay says no lol

#36

oh wait im allowed to recommend voting within a group of 3 players minumum

ok heres the bottom 2 tiers of my list

idk

Lady Lambdadelta
Michelle
Pawn Lelouch
Rej
sprityo
Trustworthy Liberal

scum list

Creature
Elephant
Master Radishes
novaselinenever
Texas Cloverleaf
TonyStarkPrime

#37

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:08 pm ... okay that's a heck of a nightkill

uh,

nowwhat.jpg
i can't find the night kill?

ikr

#38

I also note nothing in the rules about quoting posts from Day 1. Good.

#39

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:15 pm so i cant talk about who i suspect?

what do i do now

Of course you can lol. Who is here that was on your scum list? Just start there.

#40

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:16 pm oh wait im allowed to recommend voting within a group of 3 players minumum

ok heres the bottom 2 tiers of my list

idk

Lady Lambdadelta
Michelle
Pawn Lelouch
Rej
sprityo
Trustworthy Liberal

scum list

Creature
Elephant
Master Radishes
novaselinenever
Texas Cloverleaf
TonyStarkPrime

Hard disagree on 4 of your bottom list. What EoD were you reading?

#41

i gotta go work soon so dont really wanna get into stuff

i can build cases on every person in those bottom 2 tiers individually later

#42

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:16 pm oh wait im allowed to recommend voting within a group of 3 players minumum

ok heres the bottom 2 tiers of my list

idk

Lady Lambdadelta
Michelle
Pawn Lelouch
Rej
sprityo
Trustworthy Liberal

scum list

Creature
Elephant
Master Radishes
novaselinenever
Texas Cloverleaf
TonyStarkPrime
Hard disagree on 4 of your bottom list. What EoD were you reading?

this isnt based off of eod this is based off of isoing pretty much every single player

#43

The thing that stood out the most to me was that both wagons were on players who were not there at EOD and neither of them had their vote on the other which makes both the main wagons more of a possibility than it ordinarily would be. I think there is potential for the Dragomir wagon to have been pushed over the line at the end by virtue of the present scum choosing to lynch Dragomir over 112.

#44

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] do you know if the latter names on the polls are the ones latest to the vote or is it all mixed up?

#45

Okay, I think what I wrote up is fine. The links won't work but I'm not editing them out now.

Assertion: there are definitely scum on the 112 wagon (regardless of 112’s alignment)

Reasoning: because the mafia would be bad at mafia if they didn’t try to save their mafia

Further reasoning: how EoD went down was very interesting; the vote went from 8-5 for Drago, to a sudden 8-8 tie, then last minute consolidated on Drago again – this really feels like some voters were trying to save Drago

So I’m going to look exclusively at 112 voters to decide which one seem like potential scum votes.

Creature
Voted over a day before EoD – followed vanity for pressure apparently, but I see no other reasoning for sticking with the 112 vote – had been bouncing around a lot before that
Was not around at EoD

Conclusion: sticking with an unexplained vote like that is nagl, imo, but vote itself is NAI

Epignosis
Voted many hours before EoD – only reason I could see was in a later readslist: “Eh. Would lynch. (Great start, right?)”
Was around at EoD and barely engaged with the Drago/112 wagons – didn’t even vote Drago to self-preserve when he was briefly the counter-wagon to Drago

Conclusion: Suspicious

Elephant
Voted 6 hours before EoD – had a scumread on 112 building long before that
Seemed to be around at EoD but was not interacting much – did not engage with final moments of the Drago/112 wagons

Conclusion: progression is clear = vote is NAI

Jack
Voted 5 hours before EoD – didn’t justify vote at all, and there was little progression towards it, beyond claiming he’d be willing to sheep nutella’s read
Was around at EoD and sat on 112 vote – hinted at a potential belief that Drago might be town.

Conclusion = Somewhat suspicious

Nova
Voted with 7 mins left, as the choice became clearly Drago v. 112
There is no justification – literally just dropped a vote right as Drago was pulling away, helping to tie the wagons up.
The rest of Nova’s EoD engagement basically revolved around trying to get Mac’s attention.

Conclusion: incredibly suspicious timing of vote

Evenstar
Voted with 3 mins left, tying the wagons up at 8-8 at a crucial moment
Simply says ‘idk if Drago is scum’
Only appeared in final minutes and mainly engaged about the Epi counter-wagon that was already dissipating

Conclusion: incredibly suspicious timing of vote

TonyStarkPrime
Voted ?time unkown? – there’s no correct vote-call in thread, but he’s included in poll numbers
At exactly EoD (:00) there’s an incorrectly-formatted vote, however. This was preceded 12 minutes earlier by statement that he would vote 112 over Drago, and there were hints of scumreading 112 earlier in the round.
Worth noting: up until the final 20-30 mins TSP was a legit wagon himself.

Conclusion: Definitely suspicious, but at :00 Drago was a clear lynch choice (10-7) so if TSP was scum trying to save scum it’s terrible timing.

OVERALL CONCLUSIONS
Evenstar and Nova closely resemble scum casually trying to swing the vote away from Drago.

Epi, Jack, and TSP are all potential scummates of Drago as well, based on how their votes went down, but there’s more room to interpret their actions differently.

Elephant and Creature are, at worst, NAI.

#46

did you guys notice novaselinenever said they bought 112's ate and then voted them at eod with pretty much no progression or individual sus?

tonystarkprimes later votes are also very questionable with his apparent worldview

#47

112

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:30 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:50 am
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Man, this got all kinds of fakey fakey shit in it. Goddamn.
wrong again, drago

The first interaction is Dragomir giving an over-the-top assessment of 112's post that doesn't quite serve as an accusation and doesn't possess any meat. It goes nowhere.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:50 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:09 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:54 pm but it rly could just be me mindmelding with 112s personality rather than alignment and not doing so with mac and nutella etc

but uh 112s personality here is like my town personality and the timing of that question of that read on nutella and mac was like

its a question id have already asked in this gamestate if i were in a more tryhard/contentforcey mentality

i don't understand the purpose of 112 saying that thing in the first place
i make posts to psych myself up sometimes like when i actually feel like im gonna have a good town game

idk

i relate to the sentiment and find it towny
How do you mindmeld with a personality? That doesn't make any sense to me.

This reaction exists.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:14 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:04 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

What is it based on then?
Read the last page and you'll find out.
I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?
Then it'd mean no safe claims for scum, meaning 112 isn't roleplaying a safe claim.
Yeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.
No I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.
tell 'em

There are reasons why I posted what I did. None of them should particularly concern anyone.

This exchange says more about Evenstar than it does 112.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:15 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:10 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.
Yeah. We had safeclaims in Mass Effect, the last join venture Jay hosted, which also allowed flavor claiming.
But in this game characters are random, in ME like me being shep meant that I was good and you being some bad alien thing meant you were bad
From what I've read of you: you seem too reasonable to be town. What do you think?

In the wake of Dragomir flinging crud at him, 112 expresses suspicion of TSP (Unless "you" here refers to somebody else.

).

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:20 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella
why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr
This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.
I hate the tone of the bolded.

I hate the uselessness of our boldface feature against the dark background.

Again, I'm not sure what to do with this. 112 throws a jab at Dragomir but doesn't elaborate or go anywhere with it.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery
i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.

My my my. 112 likes the thought but pushes against it anyway in the most vapid and ambivalent way possible.

What jumps off the page even more is that 112 has lumped Hyena (alignment unknown) into the same category as Dragomir (mafia). The category itself makes no sense whatsoever, and I have to question the motive behind lumping to the two individuals together in so equivocal a boat.

This is 112's worst post in the wake of the Dragomir reveal.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 am Drago calls people on tonal stuff, but his is possibly the worst in the game. Is this an instance of someone accusing others of what they think they themselves are guilty of?

I don't know. Is it?

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 am i make like 100 posts a game when i'm town that can arguably be read as tmi. i think tmi reads should only be given good weight when they're very blatant. i haven't even read the alleged mac-drago tmi though, just want to say that i can understand why mac might be frustrated here.

I'm going to get to MacDougall, but this exists and like the question above, does nothing to express a concrete opinion on Dragomir.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:56 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:17 am
112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery
i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.
This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?
@112
they're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.

This reflects well on Elephant. Also note that I am good here but I became a suspect of 112's for my "lazy list."

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:19 am
112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:10 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:52 am I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?
Why is this of such immediate importance?
Cause I want to know what is going on. I hate being behind, can't do anything.

This is a softball interaction that goes nowhere.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:21 am
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:07 am Drago has seemingly disappeared while several people are calling for his head. Never a good look.

I need him to post so I can re-evaluate that read. I'm still kinda holding on to his start that I liked.
it feels like you really had to force this post tbh

Raise your hand if you agree with 112 that Benson had to force this post.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:06 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:07 pm Well that 112 read goes to shit now.

It’s clear that Dragomir’s opinion was bunk. Elephant (rightly) afforded Dragomir the opportunity to walk his view of 112 all the way back to I-don’t-have-vote-for-him-ville.

++++

112 all but disappeared down the stretch of Day 1, and the final vote ended up on one T. Liberal, a one-off.

I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.

#48

112 is clear today as far as im concerned

i guess im allowed to post my townlist too because it doesnt hint at where im voting

1 scum in here max or i seppuku, this is the never lynch for at least 5 game days towncircle

112
Benson
Evenstar
Hyena
juliets
Long Con
MacDougall
nutella
Quin
Spiny Creature / boo
vanity.

probably town

DFaraday
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

was thinking of moving epignosis down

#49

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm Okay, I think what I wrote up is fine. The links won't work but I'm not editing them out now.

Assertion: there are definitely scum on the 112 wagon (regardless of 112’s alignment)

Reasoning: because the mafia would be bad at mafia if they didn’t try to save their mafia

Further reasoning: how EoD went down was very interesting; the vote went from 8-5 for Drago, to a sudden 8-8 tie, then last minute consolidated on Drago again – this really feels like some voters were trying to save Drago

So I’m going to look exclusively at 112 voters to decide which one seem like potential scum votes.

Creature
Voted over a day before EoD – followed vanity for pressure apparently, but I see no other reasoning for sticking with the 112 vote – had been bouncing around a lot before that
Was not around at EoD

Conclusion: sticking with an unexplained vote like that is nagl, imo, but vote itself is NAI

Epignosis
Voted many hours before EoD – only reason I could see was in a later readslist: “Eh. Would lynch. (Great start, right?)”
Was around at EoD and barely engaged with the Drago/112 wagons – didn’t even vote Drago to self-preserve when he was briefly the counter-wagon to Drago

Conclusion: Suspicious

Elephant
Voted 6 hours before EoD – had a scumread on 112 building long before that
Seemed to be around at EoD but was not interacting much – did not engage with final moments of the Drago/112 wagons

Conclusion: progression is clear = vote is NAI

Jack
Voted 5 hours before EoD – didn’t justify vote at all, and there was little progression towards it, beyond claiming he’d be willing to sheep nutella’s read
Was around at EoD and sat on 112 vote – hinted at a potential belief that Drago might be town.

Conclusion = Somewhat suspicious

Nova
Voted with 7 mins left, as the choice became clearly Drago v. 112
There is no justification – literally just dropped a vote right as Drago was pulling away, helping to tie the wagons up.
The rest of Nova’s EoD engagement basically revolved around trying to get Mac’s attention.

Conclusion: incredibly suspicious timing of vote

Evenstar
Voted with 3 mins left, tying the wagons up at 8-8 at a crucial moment
Simply says ‘idk if Drago is scum’
Only appeared in final minutes and mainly engaged about the Epi counter-wagon that was already dissipating

Conclusion: incredibly suspicious timing of vote

TonyStarkPrime
Voted ?time unkown? – there’s no correct vote-call in thread, but he’s included in poll numbers
At exactly EoD (:00) there’s an incorrectly-formatted vote, however. This was preceded 12 minutes earlier by statement that he would vote 112 over Drago, and there were hints of scumreading 112 earlier in the round.
Worth noting: up until the final 20-30 mins TSP was a legit wagon himself.

Conclusion: Definitely suspicious, but at :00 Drago was a clear lynch choice (10-7) so if TSP was scum trying to save scum it’s terrible timing.

OVERALL CONCLUSIONS
Evenstar and Nova closely resemble scum casually trying to swing the vote away from Drago.

Epi, Jack, and TSP are all potential scummates of Drago as well, based on how their votes went down, but there’s more room to interpret their actions differently.

Elephant and Creature are, at worst, NAI.

So you don't see the potential of them being duelling scum wagons?

#50

the way my worldview shaped after reading a bunch of isos, i think 112 was a ML and has some scum on them but some scum also ended up bussing drago, maybe 2

Pick a player to be lynched