The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:08 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:06 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:02 pm she is quite ltierally casing you there as a wolf lmao

she had been hardtunneling me all morning yeah

but then she got to eod right before it was over and voted u lol

actions speak louder than words

again, this just shows that ur not analysing anything. she didnt vote me because she thought you were town. she thought belzy was town and voted the cw. its all in her iso.

wouldn't I be lying then as you think I killed neon specifically for that reason? in your world view it's not that I'm not analyzing it's that I'm lying about what she thought to try and prove I didn't kill her

also u smartly didn't include the post where u @ her to vote and specifically mention how her vote could save you from dying and she votes u lmao

i am aware she for some reason thought belzy was town at the end but you have to see that her voting alongside me at eod is not just indicative of trying to save belzy because that goes against her entire world view up to that point. I think she had to believe in some way that I was town lol

maybe she thought i was town because I was making the cw to belzy who knows but her voting with me makes 0 sense otherwise

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:06 pm I guess I'm not playing the game you want me to play but like I play how I want not how others want me to. If you can't see me as town just vote me.out cuz I'm pretty over this game. Then you can tell me in post you'll do better in future games

it's dome time between me and ilario

swap ur vote over to me

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:17 pm [VOTE: Lily] aubergine

aw man dont wolfside

The game probably ends if we dont get a wolf today. I think the most likely wolf is rondo

This dome between lily and illario has me disappointed in both of them

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:21 pm The game probably ends if we dont get a wolf today. I think the most likely wolf is rondo

This dome between lily and illario has me disappointed in both of them

who is rondo's partner then lol

and to each person voting me: who is my partner?

reminder that rondo and I were both rbed last night so we can't be paired as the factional went through

I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

By POE it would have to be nanook. I intend on reading nanook and rondo

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:25 pm I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

why am i a 3p why can't i be a wolf or town

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:23 pm and to each person voting me: who is my partner?

reminder that rondo and I were both rbed last night so we can't be paired as the factional went through

I can just add Nanook to everyone

Dya does have a point that there is no reason it cant be Nanook Rondo
its been hard to pin any good partner equity down

@Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:25 pm I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

why am i a 3p why can't i be a wolf or town

you can be, but I really don't think you're town because you're coming across agenda'd to me. You claim to know porscha's game but protected her from elim (yes, I know your reasons, I just don't agree with them). If ilario is town, then he rb'd you and rondo, so you two being wolves together is less likely though still possible with mechanic shenanigans. That leaves you as 3p

looking back at Dya, day 2 where they went back and forth voting Belzy, and Porsche
I think at that point people were already talking about how outted Belzy and Porsche were
I just wish I had any vote progression for day 2, or even just the day end vote

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:35 pm looking back at Dya, day 2 where they went back and forth voting Belzy, and Porsche
I think at that point people were already talking about how outted Belzy and Porsche were
I just wish I had any vote progression for day 2, or even just the day end vote

i wanted porscha or belzy over alison the entire time.

There is still an unaccounted for KP I believe, so either mafia has a vig, or a 3p is killing
which points to you in most worlds, and killing you will make the game less swingy

since we are at 4/1/2
killing a wolf with the worst case night kill of 1
either places at 3/1/1 or 3/0/1
still a chance of 2 kilsl though, which can but us at 2/1/1, which always leads us to a loss I think

killing 3p here
4/0/2, assuming one might kill puts us at
3/0/2

@dyachei
you said ur ability works in any lylo, or just f3?

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:36 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:35 pm looking back at Dya, day 2 where they went back and forth voting Belzy, and Porsche
I think at that point people were already talking about how outted Belzy and Porsche were
I just wish I had any vote progression for day 2, or even just the day end vote

i wanted porscha or belzy over alison the entire time.

but didn't u say u would buss there?
again I wish I had any VCs

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:40 pm There is still an unaccounted for KP I believe, so either mafia has a vig, or a 3p is killing
which points to you in most worlds, and killing you will make the game less swingy

since we are at 4/1/2
killing a wolf with the worst case night kill of 1
either places at 3/1/1 or 3/0/1
still a chance of 2 kilsl though, which can but us at 2/1/1, which always leads us to a loss I think

killing 3p here
4/0/2, assuming one might kill puts us at
3/0/2

@dyachei
you said ur ability works in any lylo, or just f3?

any lylo

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:25 pm I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

why am i a 3p why can't i be a wolf or town

you can be, but I really don't think you're town because you're coming across agenda'd to me. You claim to know porscha's game but protected her from elim (yes, I know your reasons, I just don't agree with them). If ilario is town, then he rb'd you and rondo, so you two being wolves together is less likely though still possible with mechanic shenanigans. That leaves you as 3p

what's my agenda then

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:41 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:36 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:35 pm looking back at Dya, day 2 where they went back and forth voting Belzy, and Porsche
I think at that point people were already talking about how outted Belzy and Porsche were
I just wish I had any vote progression for day 2, or even just the day end vote

i wanted porscha or belzy over alison the entire time.

but didn't u say u would buss there?
again I wish I had any VCs

I would have bussed d1 is what I said and I would have if I were a wolf. I bus early frequently, including in the game lily and I played together

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:42 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:25 pm I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

why am i a 3p why can't i be a wolf or town

you can be, but I really don't think you're town because you're coming across agenda'd to me. You claim to know porscha's game but protected her from elim (yes, I know your reasons, I just don't agree with them). If ilario is town, then he rb'd you and rondo, so you two being wolves together is less likely though still possible with mechanic shenanigans. That leaves you as 3p

what's my agenda then

vote out the town roleblocker lol

and I certainly wouldn't have fought the alison elim as hard as I did if I were a wolf because she's scary to wolf against

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm @Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

i have spent a majority of the last few phases focused on making ppl see how wolfy Ilario is so I don't rly have a case on Dya

I think for mech reasons them being targeted by porscha is really damning but mech is lame

i think they have been less towny than almost everyone in the game. I think it's easy to imagine a team of porscha/belzy/dya. They're way too defensive for how little they've been pushed.

I could iso and properly case if u want but I'm a bit tuckered out rn and today is between me and Ilario anyway

I don't really see anyone being wolves but Ilario and dya. I think everyone else has been towny or done things indicative of them being town. It's really just down to dya/ilario.

lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:43 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:42 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:25 pm I'm beginning to think you're 3p. So I'm currently looking into who could be rondo's partner

why am i a 3p why can't i be a wolf or town

you can be, but I really don't think you're town because you're coming across agenda'd to me. You claim to know porscha's game but protected her from elim (yes, I know your reasons, I just don't agree with them). If ilario is town, then he rb'd you and rondo, so you two being wolves together is less likely though still possible with mechanic shenanigans. That leaves you as 3p

what's my agenda then

vote out the town roleblocker lol

why as a 3p do i want to dome ilario because he's the "town roleblocker"? that's dumb lol

wouldn't I as 3p not give a fuck and just kill dya or rondo?

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm @Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

i have spent a majority of the last few phases focused on making ppl see how wolfy Ilario is so I don't rly have a case on Dya

I think for mech reasons them being targeted by porscha is really damning but mech is lame

i think they have been less towny than almost everyone in the game. I think it's easy to imagine a team of porscha/belzy/dya. They're way too defensive for how little they've been pushed.

I could iso and properly case if u want but I'm a bit tuckered out rn and today is between me and Ilario anyway

I don't really see anyone being wolves but Ilario and dya. I think everyone else has been towny or done things indicative of them being town. It's really just down to dya/ilario.

I've been pushed literally all game. It's not been a little bit. I've been solidly in the poe day after day. And if not pushed for elim, then continually being told I'm not being towny enough all game and put in the POE to pursue another day. You yourself have done this. that still counts as a push

there's NO evidence that porscha targeted me. None. zip. nada. stop saying it like it's a fact because it isn't unless you know something from being in wolf chat that I don't know

@dyachei
who would u have bussed day 1, reminder that their is no access to vote progression, and I do not remember anything outside the final VC
I'm town, and I think a fair share of people had no intention of killing Porsche day 1, or even Belzy

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

@Lilypetal
if Rondo is townie its because he doesn't have any partners, they have not been townie
so idk why u think that

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm @Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

i have spent a majority of the last few phases focused on making ppl see how wolfy Ilario is so I don't rly have a case on Dya

I think for mech reasons them being targeted by porscha is really damning but mech is lame

i think they have been less towny than almost everyone in the game. I think it's easy to imagine a team of porscha/belzy/dya. They're way too defensive for how little they've been pushed.

I could iso and properly case if u want but I'm a bit tuckered out rn and today is between me and Ilario anyway

I don't really see anyone being wolves but Ilario and dya. I think everyone else has been towny or done things indicative of them being town. It's really just down to dya/ilario.

I've been pushed literally all game. It's not been a little bit. I've been solidly in the poe day after day. And if not pushed for elim, then continually being told I'm not being towny enough all game and put in the POE to pursue another day. You yourself have done this. that still counts as a push

there's NO evidence that porscha targeted me. None. zip. nada. stop saying it like it's a fact because it isn't unless you know something from being in wolf chat that I don't know

I thought it was fact tbh but I don't have an exact handle on all the mech that went down

I really don't think being poe'd and not pursued for elim is being pushed that hard though.

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm @dyachei
who would u have bussed day 1, reminder that their is no access to vote progression, and I do not remember anything outside the final VC
I'm town, and I think a fair share of people had no intention of killing Porsche day 1, or even Belzy

porscha. there was a significant wagon on her and I would have gone her over my aro push if I were a wolf. She was the main counter to you until others started looking at aro (after I voted)

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

if Porsche targeting Dya was proven a fact, I would just say its lock Dyachei, but Neon lied about being successful

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:48 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:33 pm @Lilypetal
whats ur case on Dya, ignoring Illario
do u think they can be a wolf with anyone else?

i have spent a majority of the last few phases focused on making ppl see how wolfy Ilario is so I don't rly have a case on Dya

I think for mech reasons them being targeted by porscha is really damning but mech is lame

i think they have been less towny than almost everyone in the game. I think it's easy to imagine a team of porscha/belzy/dya. They're way too defensive for how little they've been pushed.

I could iso and properly case if u want but I'm a bit tuckered out rn and today is between me and Ilario anyway

I don't really see anyone being wolves but Ilario and dya. I think everyone else has been towny or done things indicative of them being town. It's really just down to dya/ilario.

I've been pushed literally all game. It's not been a little bit. I've been solidly in the poe day after day. And if not pushed for elim, then continually being told I'm not being towny enough all game and put in the POE to pursue another day. You yourself have done this. that still counts as a push

there's NO evidence that porscha targeted me. None. zip. nada. stop saying it like it's a fact because it isn't unless you know something from being in wolf chat that I don't know

I thought it was fact tbh but I don't have an exact handle on all the mech that went down

I really don't think being poe'd and not pursued for elim is being pushed that hard though.

ok then we have different defintions of being pushed and different tolerances. Hooray, we figured out we're different people

your opinion doesn't invalidate my experience

you also didnt have to hear all game how someone would push you more but I was being too mean.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:48 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm @dyachei
who would u have bussed day 1, reminder that their is no access to vote progression, and I do not remember anything outside the final VC
I'm town, and I think a fair share of people had no intention of killing Porsche day 1, or even Belzy

porscha. there was a significant wagon on her and I would have gone her over my aro push if I were a wolf. She was the main counter to you until others started looking at aro (after I voted)

ok thanks, that helps if I just assume you buss mindlessly
Vote history would be a godsend right about now

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:48 pm @Lilypetal
if Rondo is townie its because he doesn't have any partners, they have not been townie
so idk why u think that

i think rondo is the most likely 3p here so maybe that's why I don't rly care? he indeed doesn't have any partners which a wolf would have

also like from my pov ilario has been pushing rondo and saying we're partners so like yeah I think rondo isn't a wolf lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

how does that make any difference in the math you presented in thread lily? if it's 2-1-4 rn, and we elim one villager then you literally said it would be game over overnight

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm if Porsche targeting Dya was proven a fact, I would just say its lock Dyachei, but Neon lied about being successful

oh lol i see..

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

how does that make any difference in the math you presented in thread lily? if it's 2-1-4 rn, and we elim one villager then you literally said it would be game over overnight

yes? but my point is you're talking about agenda when a 3p doesn't have an agenda here they would just let whichever side they can win with lead the way and coast

it doesn't make sense to me lol

I have to leave for work soon
at this point, I think if its not exactly Nanook/Rondo
I dont think its Rondo, and even then Nanook has just kinda bussed non-stop outside his meme vote on Alison

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:53 pm I have to leave for work soon
at this point, I think if its not exactly Nanook/Rondo
I dont think its Rondo, and even then Nanook has just kinda bussed non-stop outside his meme vote on Alison

ur so close now u just need to TR me

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:53 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

how does that make any difference in the math you presented in thread lily? if it's 2-1-4 rn, and we elim one villager then you literally said it would be game over overnight

yes? but my point is you're talking about agenda when a 3p doesn't have an agenda here they would just let whichever side they can win with lead the way and coast

it doesn't make sense to me lol

even a bad 3p should see that it would be faster to win with the wolves here? like are you serious?

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:53 pm I have to leave for work soon
at this point, I think if its not exactly Nanook/Rondo
I dont think its Rondo, and even then Nanook has just kinda bussed non-stop outside his meme vote on Alison

second line feels like a thought stopped short. can you finish the thought there?

i did an unnecessary line break

"at this point, I think if its not exactly Nanook/Rondo, than its not Rondo, which is still weird in itself, since that means Nanook just mindlessly bussed all game outside his vote on Alison

thanks

is there any reason why Illario/Dya, might not make sense?
I am still kinda humoring it

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:54 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:53 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:49 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:46 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:44 pm lily I don't think you're really evaluating ilario. It seems like you decided to push him wolf and find reasons for it. It's either a confirmation bias or an agenda and that's part of what I'm trying to figure out

I don't see how it can be an agenda unless I'm a wolf and he is the game winning ML. I am definitely evaluating him and have been explaining my thought process through so many posts for the last 200 posts or so

wasn't it you that said if we mis-elim today that it probably is game over?

like how is this ever a real argument from you

did u forget that this was in reference to u accusing me of being a 3p?

how does that make any difference in the math you presented in thread lily? if it's 2-1-4 rn, and we elim one villager then you literally said it would be game over overnight

yes? but my point is you're talking about agenda when a 3p doesn't have an agenda here they would just let whichever side they can win with lead the way and coast

it doesn't make sense to me lol

even a bad 3p should see that it would be faster to win with the wolves here? like are you serious?

so you think I as a 3p am doming a villager while the wolves sit back and do nothing? is this a real take that ur going to act like im dumb for not understanding?

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:57 pm is there any reason why Illario/Dya, might not make sense?
I am still kinda humoring it

because if ilario's a wolf he's been pocketing me?

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:59 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:57 pm is there any reason why Illario/Dya, might not make sense?
I am still kinda humoring it

because if ilario's a wolf he's been pocketing me?

i do not think you saying "i am town" is a disqualifying reason