Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[Manny]

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

[Manny]

Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7748 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), Jackofhearts2005 (13), Ricochet (1), ilario (1)
schiavetto (3): Lumi (35), Inawordyes (8), Manny (50)
neon (3): Michelle (57), pyxxy (5), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (7)
deezees (2): Neon (54), Hally (82)

[Manny]

My vote does jackshit but thats what i feel is the objectively right play here.

[Hally]

The village here has been touched by death. Turn back, while you still can.

Why, death is just a layer coming off
With one hoping that the next one is the final one
I'm cautiously optimistic I need two layers to find my true self

Do you know what a poacher is, coz? They hunt us, smash us, and then take us away. This village is kept secret, so I think we're safe here. But you should be careful if you ever meet one of them, coz.

I met one when I wrote my first post. Wouldn't stand a chance if I couldn't keep it cool and respectful. Making amends of my own with whom it concerns, they took me in. It's wonderful.

But the follow up feels forced.

Hally is Rico a confirmed player?

no, he could still be an NPC technically

[Michelle]

Until now you gave me your poe and now i'm expecting your reasons, Neon

Also Hally is your today first push but they're not in your Poe, why is that?

I don't think I ever voted them and I specifically said I didn't want to push them. But I'm gonna answer questions and I was asked them

My reason is that they aren't towny lol if you can help me see anything towny from those 4 I listed that'd be dope but my poe is not towny imo

It's your job to scum case them, all I need is your thought process

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I suck at translating thoughts to words

It's one of many issues I have. And it's frustrating when I'm called scum because I land in other places and I can't articulate my thoughts in meaningful ways and I missed half the game because it was too big and I'm missing another series of info posts cause I can not read walls lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I've learned many lessons for next secret playerlist mafia

This game dope AF but I need to be an npc is the main one lol

[Michelle]

Hally don't let me alone here, let's mason here in the open.
I think you have to sleep, and also I have to work

I will drop here from time to time and search itt for answers

[Michelle]

I suck at translating thoughts to words

It's one of many issues I have. And it's frustrating when I'm called scum because I land in other places and I can't articulate my thoughts in meaningful ways and I missed half the game because it was too big and I'm missing another series of info posts cause I can not read walls lol

That's why you play mafia, to improve at least this issue of putting your thoughts into words.

Give it a try pls

[Hally]

Hally don't let me alone here, let's mason here in the open.
I think you have to sleep, and also I have to work

I will drop here from time to time and search itt for answers

i’ll be here more tomorrow but i do have to sleep now

gn

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Until now you gave me your poe and now i'm expecting your reasons, Neon

Also Hally is your today first push but they're not in your Poe, why is that?

I don't think I ever voted them and I specifically said I didn't want to push them. But I'm gonna answer questions and I was asked them

My reason is that they aren't towny lol if you can help me see anything towny from those 4 I listed that'd be dope but my poe is not towny imo

It's your job to scum case them, all I need is your thought process

That is unfortunately not something I enjoy doing or believe I'm good enough to do. I'm not much of a scum case type of player especially in a game I can't read all of.

My thought process is that in every post I've read which I remember because I have a good memory at least. I can't remember ever being like oh hey this is towny like. And that's bad.

I can see towny from you. From Hally even at least sometimes. From Porscha. From IAWY.

But when I think about Pyxxy for instance all I see is info dumps with no progression towards a solve even on one player.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I suck at translating thoughts to words

It's one of many issues I have. And it's frustrating when I'm called scum because I land in other places and I can't articulate my thoughts in meaningful ways and I missed half the game because it was too big and I'm missing another series of info posts cause I can not read walls lol

That's why you play mafia, to improve at least this issue of putting your thoughts into words.

Give it a try pls

I've played hundreds of games I don't think it's ever getting better. Neither is my inability to read large chunks of text lol

[Manny]

But when I think about Pyxxy for instance all I see is info dumps with no progression towards a solve even on one player.

i think thats indicative of pyxxy being an NPC rather than being scum

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But when I think about Pyxxy for instance all I see is info dumps with no progression towards a solve even on one player.

i think thats indicative of pyxxy being an NPC rather than being scum

*shrugs* I refuse to play "is this npc or is this scum"

[Michelle]

Until now you gave me your poe and now i'm expecting your reasons, Neon

Also Hally is your today first push but they're not in your Poe, why is that?

I don't think I ever voted them and I specifically said I didn't want to push them. But I'm gonna answer questions and I was asked them

My reason is that they aren't towny lol if you can help me see anything towny from those 4 I listed that'd be dope but my poe is not towny imo

It's your job to scum case them, all I need is your thought process

That is unfortunately not something I enjoy doing or believe I'm good enough to do. I'm not much of a scum case type of player especially in a game I can't read all of.

My thought process is that in every post I've read which I remember because I have a good memory at least. I can't remember ever being like oh hey this is towny like. And that's bad.

I can see towny from you. From Hally even at least sometimes. From Porscha. From IAWY.

But when I think about Pyxxy for instance all I see is info dumps with no progression towards a solve even on one player.

What's your take about Zeus?

[Manny]

*shrugs* I refuse to play "is this npc or is this scum"

then shouldnt you want to kill schiavetto over pyxxy or you think schia is townier than pyxxy?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Until now you gave me your poe and now i'm expecting your reasons, Neon

Also Hally is your today first push but they're not in your Poe, why is that?

I don't think I ever voted them and I specifically said I didn't want to push them. But I'm gonna answer questions and I was asked them

My reason is that they aren't towny lol if you can help me see anything towny from those 4 I listed that'd be dope but my poe is not towny imo

It's your job to scum case them, all I need is your thought process

That is unfortunately not something I enjoy doing or believe I'm good enough to do. I'm not much of a scum case type of player especially in a game I can't read all of.

My thought process is that in every post I've read which I remember because I have a good memory at least. I can't remember ever being like oh hey this is towny like. And that's bad.

I can see towny from you. From Hally even at least sometimes. From Porscha. From IAWY.

But when I think about Pyxxy for instance all I see is info dumps with no progression towards a solve even on one player.

What's your take about Zeus?

Truthfully I remember nothing Zeus had posted this game and only see the votes

This is bad Zeus is a player I very regularly remember posts from and often find myself nodding along in agreement. Is this scummy or just a player who can't keep up with the game state much like me? I dunno honestly but it does bother me.

[MacDougall]

A giant foot with toenails painted red ascended from the heavens and crushed two people named Sprityo, an NPC and Nutella, a villager TO THE DEATH.

ascended from the heavens

@MacDougall

image no find

[Porscha]

I have to work a lot tomorrow, might get to read whatever I miss when I sleep when I wake up tomorrow, i've skimmed over the pages since day started

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

what if

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

what if

Help me understand plox

[Ricochet]

I'm stuck here. A fledgling sorcerer, with little chance of acquiring a key.

[ilario]

@ilario can you iso dz and tell me what you think? it’s not long

kk ill get around to it before eod

thanks

also any other thoughts you have would be super helpful when you’re available

is deezees=zeus? i opened his iso and start of it is just posting quotes from civ, i didnt even know he played that game lol, i remember zeus saying somewhere he doesnt play any game other than mafia. u sure theyre the same person?

[Michelle]

@ilario can you iso dz and tell me what you think? it’s not long

kk ill get around to it before eod

thanks

also any other thoughts you have would be super helpful when you’re available

is deezees=zeus? i opened his iso and start of it is just posting quotes from civ, i didnt even know he played that game lol, i remember zeus saying somewhere he doesnt play any game other than mafia. u sure theyre the same person?

Yes, he is, I asked and he answered yes.

I am waiting for something from him since then.

[Michelle]

He claims he's clear because he pushed Vivax

[ilario]

lol why? bussing is in his range

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

what if

I am listening, explain your full thoughts pls

Don't forget to make a list of players from towniest to scummiest or at least post your explained Poe

[Michelle]

lol why? bussing is in his range

Look in my Iso i quoted today a post from Vivax, it looks w/w?

[Michelle]

Sorry i am also working

[Michelle]

[VOTE: DeeZees] aubergine

Guy sitting to my left literally started meowing yesterday.
He never meowed before.
Maybe cause of who was sitting in front of him, or cause I was contaminating his head. Or someone else perhaps.

Either way, ignorance is bliss and bliss sucks

That's after Zeus votes Vivax probably.

Letting it here until I find more AI evidence

This one Ilario

[Jackofhearts2005]

A giant foot with toenails painted red ascended from the heavens and crushed two people named Sprityo, an NPC and Nutella, a villager TO THE DEATH.

ascended from the heavens

@MacDougall

image no find

Grr. It was a Monty Python foot coming out of the clouds to step on the banner but flipped upside down so that the foot ascended from the heavens.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why? Why, o guidance of grace, will this door not open?

What’s the elvish word for friend?

[Jackofhearts2005]

if you go for schia today and they end up flipping NPC, we lose an active villager in the night and have one less villager actively solving in the thread when we have to find the wolves who are posting, and we desperately need as many active villagers itt as we can possibly get

and if you go schia and they’re a wolf, it gives no info and just kills a wolf who would be outed tomorrow anyway

zero upside

If the game is 5v3 do you think town should sleep or should they try to find the wolf?

Always find the wolf

[Jackofhearts2005]

I intended to for realzies CC Illario but I was on mobile at the time and mobile search is busted if you have too many players in the game. Can't scroll to Mac's so I couldn't figure out who got got on N1 so I was like "eh fuck it. Nevermind."

Go to page one, post 1, turn the phone on landscape and press the number of posts of the player in topic who appears under the players' name and avatar. That's the way to Iso on phone a player with just a few posts.

Landscape mode has the iso links. That’s nuts. I never thought of that.

[Inawordyes]

Dead thread this morning, that’s really weird

[Inawordyes]

FWIW Hally basically could only realistically be mafia if she was paired with Falcon, that EoD unvote has been the only knock against her from what I could see, and with Falcon flipping town, that kinda puts Hally as the towniest person in the thread atm

[Inawordyes]

@Porscha
@Schiavetto
@Michelle
@DeeZees
@Hally
@Neon
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Manny
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Inawordyes
@pyxxy
@Ricochet

This is the raw list above. And below my first GTH attempt to sort. I am going to read Vivax' Iso and share thoughts and I need everyone in the village or NPC villa hearted to help town toDay.
Pinged myself to find the post in alerts and I am aware I pinged the wolves as well, but if anyone has a chance to clear themselves, toDay is the momenr to do so. Please ping me with your solve

Mich
Wilgy
Hally
Illario
Jack
DZ
Lumi
Pyxxy
Iawy
Nook
Porscha
Neon
Ricochet
Schia

Iawy
Hally
Wilgy
Lumi
Ilario
Michelle
Jack
Porscha
DeeZees
Pyxxy
Neon
Rico
Nook
Schia

Here is my attempt at a solve

I think that the Hally/Wilgy/Lumi trio has consistently been the towniestvITT or at least the most +EV (Hally especially with the blight on her record FMPOV being expunged). Everybody else kind of I didn’t know where exactly to place so I threw where felt right

Ilario’s low-impact but has the un’cced claim and I can’t ignore that. I really don’t have much to say about him otherwise because he’s barely done anything

I think Michelle is getting more credit than she deserves based on how much she’s actually done this game. But she has stated that she refuses to read my posts, and then she put me low in her list as if I haven’t been extremely townie, I’m assuming exactly because she’s not reading me. I’m quite aware that being in my feels about it is probably making me petty but also idrc

Jack was originally my second-highest behind Hally but openly admitting to being a troll NPC today understandablly knocks him down a few pegs (though I still think he’s been more townsiding than not)

I don’t understand why Porscha took so many hits at EoD, that really looked more like “Sean is upset that Porscha won’t talk to him so he scumreads Porscha, and then everybody dogpiles”. The “everybody dogpiles” part is why I think there’s probably more townie their than not

I don’t really have anything good or bad to say about DeeZees. I think they trend more townie than not, but despite being in the lower half I’d actually put the Porscha/DZ/Pyxxy trio in this spot as the null demarcation, with DZ slight lean towards town but ultimately the most null of the three

I had a brighter view of Pyxxy in my head initially but after someone mentioned that Pyxxy’s really only done the VCA posts and not much else, I started trying to think of other content by them and am drawing a blank, so I have to agree. Not necessarily scummy, but lacking and so slight wolf leans due to the dearth

I think Neon’s pushes have been proven consistently terrible this whole game, and I think from a mafia team perspective that they would have been a really easy slot to continue to push for those reasons, but the fact that all major sus and wagon power disappeared after they almost died sitting next to Lily really can’t be ignored when they haven’t improved much since and yet they got completely dropped as a focus over townier slots who ended up flipping town. That they spent more time on the defensive today than solving also doesn’t help

Nook and Rico have basically done nothing but in Nook’s case he also tunneled on Nutella and that’s -EV. Sit below Neon with Schia because either obvious NPCs or really scummy townies for actively doing nothing so many days in a row

[Inawordyes]

Hally
Mich
Wilgy
Porscha
Lumi
Iawy*
Pyxxy
Jack
Illario
Ricochet*
DZ
Neon
Nook
Schia

take with grain of salt with * since i barely remember anything they've done, i also wouldnt lynch schia even though they are the scummiest person alive because i think they are an npc

Maybe if you actually read my content you’d have a read on me

[Inawordyes]

@Porscha
@Schiavetto
@Michelle
@DeeZees
@Hally
@Neon
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Manny
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Inawordyes
@pyxxy
@Ricochet

This is the raw list above. And below my first GTH attempt to sort. I am going to read Vivax' Iso and share thoughts and I need everyone in the village or NPC villa hearted to help town toDay.
Pinged myself to find the post in alerts and I am aware I pinged the wolves as well, but if anyone has a chance to clear themselves, toDay is the momenr to do so. Please ping me with your solve

Mich
Wilgy
Hally
Illario
Jack
DZ
Lumi
Pyxxy
Iawy
Nook
Porscha
Neon
Ricochet
Schia

Iawy
Hally
Wilgy
Lumi
Ilario
Michelle
Jack
Porscha
DeeZees
Pyxxy
Neon
Rico
Nook
Schia

Here is my attempt at a solve

Spoiler: show

I think that the Hally/Wilgy/Lumi trio has consistently been the towniestvITT or at least the most +EV (Hally especially with the blight on her record FMPOV being expunged). Everybody else kind of I didn’t know where exactly to place so I threw where felt right

Ilario’s low-impact but has the un’cced claim and I can’t ignore that. I really don’t have much to say about him otherwise because he’s barely done anything

I think Michelle is getting more credit than she deserves based on how much she’s actually done this game. But she has stated that she refuses to read my posts, and then she put me low in her list as if I haven’t been extremely townie, I’m assuming exactly because she’s not reading me. I’m quite aware that being in my feels about it is probably making me petty but also idrc

Jack was originally my second-highest behind Hally but openly admitting to being a troll NPC today understandablly knocks him down a few pegs (though I still think he’s been more townsiding than not)

I don’t understand why Porscha took so many hits at EoD, that really looked more like “Sean is upset that Porscha won’t talk to him so he scumreads Porscha, and then everybody dogpiles”. The “everybody dogpiles” part is why I think there’s probably more townie their than not

I don’t really have anything good or bad to say about DeeZees. I think they trend more townie than not, but despite being in the lower half I’d actually put the Porscha/DZ/Pyxxy trio in this spot as the null demarcation, with DZ slight lean towards town but ultimately the most null of the three

I had a brighter view of Pyxxy in my head initially but after someone mentioned that Pyxxy’s really only done the VCA posts and not much else, I started trying to think of other content by them and am drawing a blank, so I have to agree. Not necessarily scummy, but lacking and so slight wolf leans due to the dearth

I think Neon’s pushes have been proven consistently terrible this whole game, and I think from a mafia team perspective that they would have been a really easy slot to continue to push for those reasons, but the fact that all major sus and wagon power disappeared after they almost died sitting next to Lily really can’t be ignored when they haven’t improved much since and yet they got completely dropped as a focus over townier slots who ended up flipping town. That they spent more time on the defensive today than solving also doesn’t help

Nook and Rico have basically done nothing but in Nook’s case he also tunneled on Nutella and that’s -EV. Sit below Neon with Schia because either obvious NPCs or really scummy townies for actively doing nothing so many days in a row

Wrote it at the top and meant to move it to the bottom to put my thoughts in read order but forgot before hitting send, but Schia is obvious mafia and I’ve already thoroughly explained my position on that over the last two days so I’m not going to rehash it

[Inawordyes]

Also not that i think it matters but you left me out of the list Mich.

You’ve consistently hardclaimed NPC so personally I’m inclined to take you at face-value, I could’ve added you to my list but for the ablve reason I haven’t really paid attention to your posts for the purposes of trying to read you (because 99% I don’t have to), so easier to leave you out than try to arbitrarily place you on a scale you don’t need to be on

[Manny]

Maybe if you actually read my content you’d have a read on me

you are asking too much out of a somewhat low-effort manny npc.

[Manny]

You’ve consistently hardclaimed NPC so personally I’m inclined to take you at face-value, I could’ve added you to my list but for the ablve reason I haven’t really paid attention to your posts for the purposes of trying to read you (because 99% I don’t have to), so easier to leave you out than try to arbitrarily place you on a scale you don’t need to be on

idc about not being in the list i just said it in case i was meant to be there considering the other hardclaim npc's are there.

[DeeZees]

Ya, not much more info to be gained

I think the useful info is:

These players are basically mech confirmed players (there are some scenarios in which they're not, but those are really weird scenarios, so...)
Michelle
Wilgy
Neon
Porscah



The list of NPCs:
LumI
Manny
One or more of DZ / pyxxy
Exactly one of Jack/Ilario


At MOST a single NPC on this list:
Hally
Schia
Ricochet
Nook
IAWY


I think its time to murderize schia

@Hally
@Michelle
@pyxxy
@DrWilgy
@Porscha
@Neon
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Inawordyes

@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@DeeZees
@pyxxy


Town has the incorrect parity 7v3 - Town needs to sleep to get to 6v3 at some point anyway.

Schia absolutely never is going to be allowed to live after a purge, and so right now is the time to chop it - if you hit an NPC, great, you're on correct parity. If you hit a town, well you were going to hit that town eventually anyway. If you hit a wolf, perfect.


Vote Schia today or I will shame you after the game for being bad B)

[VOTE: schiavetto] aubergine

[DeeZees]

Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7748 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), Jackofhearts2005 (13), Ricochet (1), ilario (1)
schiavetto (3): Lumi (35), Inawordyes (8), Manny (50)
neon (3): Michelle (57), pyxxy (5), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (7)
deezees (2): Neon (54), Hally (82)

ahhh ppl are trying to kill me ahhhh

[Manny]

Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7748 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (4), Jackofhearts2005 (17), Ricochet (2), ilario (3)
schiavetto (4): Lumi (35), Inawordyes (14), Manny (56), DeeZees (2)
neon (3): Michelle (67), pyxxy (5), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (7)
deezees (2): Neon (61), Hally (84)
michelle (1): Porscha (2)

[Inawordyes]

You've been wrong for 4 days so

I think if you are town you are gonna get misslynched eventually, might aswell get it over with it quicker. If you are scum its a W, i also dont remember anything pro-town or townie u've done this game so not like i seem much reason for u to *not* be scum

I'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.

And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.

Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.

This quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensive

[Michelle]

Iawy it's not that I don't want to read your posts, but I can't with my reading speed so I skimmed some of them and then I realised you are overexplaining (which is not towny fmpov) and you refuse to give tl;dr so you don't really care about my opinion. I read itt what I can, it's not much but I play with low effort (due to time limit) since the pandemic kind of finished and the war started, and RL became more demanding.
I have to tell you that being a little far from the thread's noise it gives a better perspective over the game.

I still think you wanted to protect Vivax and you deserved all votes on you.
You do realise all your wolves are low posters, which doesn't match at all with how Vivax played, right? That doesn't look great imo.

Let's say Schia flips wolf. NO ONE is cleared by a vote on Schia iykwim - I agree they will not live long and will never endgame but also they don't give town credit.

[Michelle]

Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7748 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), Jackofhearts2005 (13), Ricochet (1), ilario (1)
schiavetto (3): Lumi (35), Inawordyes (8), Manny (50)
neon (3): Michelle (57), pyxxy (5), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (7)
deezees (2): Neon (54), Hally (82)

ahhh ppl are trying to kill me ahhhh

What do you think about them?

[Michelle]

Also answer to my ping pls Zeus

[Inawordyes]

Iawy it's not that I don't want to read your posts, but I can't with my reading speed so I skimmed some of them and then I realised you are overexplaining (which is not towny fmpov) and you refuse to give tl;dr so you don't really care about my opinion. I read itt what I can, it's not much but I play with low effort (due to time limit) since the pandemic kind of finished and the war started, and RL became more demanding.
I have to tell you that being a little far from the thread's noise it gives a better perspective over the game.

I still think you wanted to protect Vivax and you deserved all votes on you.
You do realise all your wolves are low posters, which doesn't match at all with how Vivax played, right? That doesn't look great imo.

Let's say Schia flips wolf. NO ONE is cleared by a vote on Schia iykwim - I agree they will not live long and will never endgame but also they don't give town credit.

Spoiler: show

I overexplain everything all the time in my general life, it’s an anxiety/childhood trauma thing and both entirely NAI and not necessary to explain further in this setting. You can think it’s AI and not townie all you want but it’s not just something I do here in this specific game of mafia, so reading it as anti-townie, while understandable, is going to confbias you into some really
incorrect worldstates

I absolutely deserved the votes I got, I understand completely why I got pushed and acknowledged it immediately during those pushes, but it got talked out and the thread moved past it. The only person who doesn’t seem to agree is you, seemingly because you’re the only person who didn’t actually read my posts.

I do not expect you to change the way you play, how you play the game is how you play the game, and I understand the lack of time to do much because I work full-time and phone post 99% of all mafia games I play. But when you dismiss me because how you play = not reading my content, I take issue because it’s a cop out “I didn’t actually read Iawy” non-read, and it shows

-

There does not need to be a drawn-out argument over this, it is pointless and clogs up the thread. For my part, I need to get out of my own head and stop letting my general defensiveness over criticism about the way I communicate cause me to get high and mighty. It’s entitled and presumptuous of me to expect you to change and not be willing to meet you halfway, and it’s something that I need to get better at

Tl;DR - I am sorry, I will try to get better at being brief for your benefit so we can get on the same page in this game. I said my peace above and have no interest in fighting over it, so I will leave it at that for my part. I will try to meet you halfway, please do the same

Besides Schia I don’t care the order of the latter half of my posts, Nanook/Rico/Schia are all at the bottom because they haven’t done anything

I disagree, the way Vivax didn’t care about being a wagon and nobody cared to try and seriously save Vivax strongly indicates that the team is inactive and/or didn’t have a lot of thread control to be able to actually save him there. I don’t think the team is Vivax/Nanook/Rico/Schia, that’s silly, but the townier players have been the ones actually playing the game, and the threadstate indicates that the team wasn’t really playing the game to be townie enough to hold sway and prevent that chop, so people lower on the spectrum are on my radar for that reason