The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:32 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:30 am I think I'm only staying up at 1:30 am to finish listening to a podcast

At least it's good enough to keep me interested.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:28 am Mac if you tunnel LP I will townread you.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine

A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pm I mean I think probably nutella is not town and is trying to get creature chopped and therefore we can’t trust what nutella says (?)

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 pm Rolecop is just not a Town role people. Alexa basically claiming Mafia.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:28 am Mac if you tunnel LP I will townread you.

this reminds me of your wolf game we just lost tbh

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am @nutella why r u scumreading 112 and illario?

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 am wait did someone claim cop or something?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:32 pm The more I read on- and I am going to try to stay on top of things on D1- but I have 300 MB of Wi-Fi left on this stupid ship and need to be selective with how long I spend on here.

So.

If anyone desperately needs pressing reads from me, @ me.

For now. Based on up to pg5, Guillo is not town.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Also I am a bird. Cuhcaw

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am Linearpoint maf

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:10 am I either wanna kill Scotty or ignore my instincts entirely and towncore him... fellow towncore what do?

@hollowkatt @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am @nutella why r u scumreading 112 and illario?

Idk just forming a bloc in my mind with some of their views that I don't vibe with but maybe it's nothing

You and 112 both gave me paranoia of potential power wolfing

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:59 pm i do wish this hadn't happened and alexa had kept it to herself because now wolves might be able to narrow down the kind of role i have but ah well

i think it's likely enough she just didnt realize roles and alignment were likely independent of each other

Alexa don't make those kinds of mistakes.

But maybe I should stop holding her to higher standards than everyone else now that I think about it.

WHAT?????

LMAO IVE MESSED UP AS PR LIKE EVERY GAME

if this is a serious read please give proof you mean it/have witnessed it

@Guillotine

Yah let me materialize deleted dead and scum chats, please hold.

hai guillo, are you town?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:02 am Mac is spewed clear by the sheer number of people who don't realize he's even in this game

40% serious take

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:16 am Good players control the flow of information, not roles

As a captain. I'll probably pick 3-4 players (prob. GOATs) like Alexa or Scotty. Then mix in with some average ones (like me); and they then will they'll dictate OP roles we must pick

- from a capt perspective

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

Nutella maf
P&g maf
Radishes t

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

Nutella maf
P&g maf
Radishes t

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:39 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:02 am Mac is spewed clear by the sheer number of people who don't realize he's even in this game

40% serious take

That's silly lol

A those people could just all be town B it could be fake derping

Actually remembering what illario said about not reading the op was probably real so he's ok for now

Idk this is moving so fast

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 am Ilario has a lot of takes I disagree with but that's nai for him probably

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:08 am Creature seems too easy. Too obvious. Occam’s razor and all that

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

why?

ftr i am least confident on guillo here but i think linear is probably a wolf

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am I have solved the game

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:59 pm i do wish this hadn't happened and alexa had kept it to herself because now wolves might be able to narrow down the kind of role i have but ah well

i think it's likely enough she just didnt realize roles and alignment were likely independent of each other

Alexa don't make those kinds of mistakes.

But maybe I should stop holding her to higher standards than everyone else now that I think about it.

WHAT?????

LMAO IVE MESSED UP AS PR LIKE EVERY GAME

if this is a serious read please give proof you mean it/have witnessed it

@Guillotine

Yah let me materialize deleted dead and scum chats, please hold.

you are explicitly claiming that i don't make these kinds of mistakes as village. shouldn't that be easy for you to point out? a past time i was a village PR and didn't make this kind of mistake of claiming something early?

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:43 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

Is this directed to me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?