The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:52 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:50 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 pm game of champions 2020 taught me to show no mercy to independents

so u dug ur own grave epi

but i also wanna kill wilgy. let me think. why didnt mafia poison wilgy

Well if his check doesn't differentiate between 3p and town then poisoner is probably the 3p

how many 3ps are we dealing with now? unless you mean epi here.

the thing with Epi's claim is that he baited wiggly into saying he was town first then came out as 3p, he didnt have to do that and it felt genuine in the moment so I believe Epi is actually 3p he had no incentive to out and could have just coasted under the town read from wiggly

I also had no incentive to out that i poisoned boknows yet here we are

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:00 am what do we have apart from mech talk?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:59 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:52 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:50 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 pm game of champions 2020 taught me to show no mercy to independents

so u dug ur own grave epi

but i also wanna kill wilgy. let me think. why didnt mafia poison wilgy

Well if his check doesn't differentiate between 3p and town then poisoner is probably the 3p

how many 3ps are we dealing with now? unless you mean epi here.

the thing with Epi's claim is that he baited wiggly into saying he was town first then came out as 3p, he didnt have to do that and it felt genuine in the moment so I believe Epi is actually 3p he had no incentive to out and could have just coasted under the town read from wiggly

I also had no incentive to out that i poisoned boknows yet here we are

Yeah I am trying to reconcile that too. There is just a lot pointing back at you too. I think maybe you got bold and thought you could get away with a claim, that seems to be your style. bombastic

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:59 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:52 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:50 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 pm game of champions 2020 taught me to show no mercy to independents

so u dug ur own grave epi

but i also wanna kill wilgy. let me think. why didnt mafia poison wilgy

Well if his check doesn't differentiate between 3p and town then poisoner is probably the 3p

how many 3ps are we dealing with now? unless you mean epi here.

the thing with Epi's claim is that he baited wiggly into saying he was town first then came out as 3p, he didnt have to do that and it felt genuine in the moment so I believe Epi is actually 3p he had no incentive to out and could have just coasted under the town read from wiggly

I also had no incentive to out that i poisoned boknows yet here we are

Yeah I am trying to reconcile that too. There is just a lot pointing back at you too. I think maybe you got bold and thought you could get away with a claim, that seems to be your style. bombastic

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:00 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:00 am what do we have apart from mech talk?

I have a jar of dirt

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:02 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:59 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:52 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:50 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 pm game of champions 2020 taught me to show no mercy to independents

so u dug ur own grave epi

but i also wanna kill wilgy. let me think. why didnt mafia poison wilgy

Well if his check doesn't differentiate between 3p and town then poisoner is probably the 3p

how many 3ps are we dealing with now? unless you mean epi here.

the thing with Epi's claim is that he baited wiggly into saying he was town first then came out as 3p, he didnt have to do that and it felt genuine in the moment so I believe Epi is actually 3p he had no incentive to out and could have just coasted under the town read from wiggly

I also had no incentive to out that i poisoned boknows yet here we are

Yeah I am trying to reconcile that too. There is just a lot pointing back at you too. I think maybe you got bold and thought you could get away with a claim, that seems to be your style. bombastic

Alright i respect it

Kill falcon tomorrow and then the masons who still wont be dead on day 7

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am The thing bout wilgy that made me reconsider is that he claimed a "not a threat" result before we knew there were 3ps

If hes mafia, unless mafia knew that there are 3ps in game by mech, it was his own idea to fake claim that instead of innocent

This was on day 2

Its a really creative thing to think of fake claiming, even i wouldnt think of it and id like to think im creative af as scum

So that was the reason i stopped pushing wilgy. I coudlnt be bothered to explain it earlier

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:11 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am The thing bout wilgy that made me reconsider is that he claimed a "not a threat" result before we knew there were 3ps

If hes mafia, unless mafia knew that there are 3ps in game by mech, it was his own idea to fake claim that instead of innocent

This was on day 2

Its a really creative thing to think of fake claiming, even i wouldnt think of it and id like to think im creative af as scum

So that was the reason i stopped pushing wilgy. I coudlnt be bothered to explain it earlier

but it's more like assumptions. things against wilgy are bigger don't you think?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:41 am I could be wrong but I don't think this game is super complex atp (at least in the sense of what we have to deal with, the setup itself im sure is fairly complex)

I also don't think its super hard, tbh

what's the poe everyone is agreeing on?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:22 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:41 am I could be wrong but I don't think this game is super complex atp (at least in the sense of what we have to deal with, the setup itself im sure is fairly complex)

I also don't think its super hard, tbh

what's the poe everyone is agreeing on?

Idk if everyone agrees on it, my poe is made/falcon/tutu/ruri

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them

the problem is, we have too many claims. we have too many suspects. we have too many complex connections. and we are just getting more and more confused.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:24 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:22 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:41 am I could be wrong but I don't think this game is super complex atp (at least in the sense of what we have to deal with, the setup itself im sure is fairly complex)

I also don't think its super hard, tbh

what's the poe everyone is agreeing on?

Idk if everyone agrees on it, my poe is made/falcon/tutu/ruri

no wilgy?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:25 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them

the problem is, we have too many claims. we have too many suspects. we have too many complex connections. and we are just getting more and more confused.

I think you guys are making this game way more complicated than it needs to be lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:39 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:25 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them

the problem is, we have too many claims. we have too many suspects. we have too many complex connections. and we are just getting more and more confused.

I think you guys are making this game way more complicated than it needs to be lol

woah woah you think I am thinking?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:42 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:39 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:25 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them

the problem is, we have too many claims. we have too many suspects. we have too many complex connections. and we are just getting more and more confused.

I think you guys are making this game way more complicated than it needs to be lol

woah woah you think I am thinking?

No I'm thinking, i would never presume to make the assumption someone else is thinking, that would be much too bold for me

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:10 pm

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:18 pm

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:05 pm

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:22 am

The post where Ruri tries to pull focus off wiggly is interesting and I have been interested in flipping both wiggly and tutuu all day

I am town no 3p here. I wish I had Epi's role (If he actually has that role) which is why I am happy to work with him for a allied win

Wilgy claimed to have copped you though? That's quite ungrateful. I also don't see why we should be flipping a claimed cop who wasn't counterclaimed, when one of their red checks still has yet to flip. Come to think of it, I forgot why I ended up voting 112 instead. Bad memory, probably.

lol Ruri if Wilgy had said they green checked you, wouldn’t you at least be wary?

Wary, sure. But wanting to flip them? Nah. There's no cop counterclaim. There seems to be other ways of finding confirms, yes, like desperado/IC/treestump(?) but do they rule out a possible cop? Unless this site has some role meta I'm not aware of. Scum rolecop is possible though, I guess.

If it’s any consolation, I do believe that MR may have been exactly that
And is a main reason why I believe tutuu is scum

How does Radishes relate to Tutuu? I roughly remember you said you tracked Radishes, but not much.

Radish targeted tutuu n1, which was confirmed by him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:21 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:25 pm I'm a JOAT, the role I was born to play it seems.

Role cop – as it sounds
Role stopper – blocks the roles targeting my choice (not their own role usage)
Role watcher – observes what roles (not players or actions) visit my target
Role enforcer – strongmans my target’s own role action

I can choose one to use 2x.

I rolecopped tutuu N1 and hinted as much.
I tried to use my rolecop again on 112 and was unsuccessful.



Eating dinner. See you in DVC I guess.

Yooooooo if MR was actually telling even a semblance of truth with his role….he totally was more useful targeting his teammates.












[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:25 pm If tutuu is mafia, it fits with my theory from d2 that the thread was being bombarded with misinformation. Tutuu has been a wealth of misinformation that I kept telling myself was just town grasping at straws like me.

But I’m not so sure.

Tutuu was bound to be a popular target of any and all role powers N1 after her D1 play.

I believe it would be an extremely powerful play to have Master radishes peep Tutuu and see what roles targeted her N1. You’d gain a ton of info on the mech of the game that way.

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:48 am Hmm, I'm not sure who to vote for. Bo flipping might confirm Tutuu or Wilgy, so I'd rather see that resolve first. Time to deep-dive into POE.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:05 am

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:48 am Hmm, I'm not sure who to vote for. Bo flipping might confirm Tutuu or Wilgy, so I'd rather see that resolve first. Time to deep-dive into POE.

Wow incredible, logic ITT. My mind blown rn

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:33 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:05 am

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:48 am Hmm, I'm not sure who to vote for. Bo flipping might confirm Tutuu or Wilgy, so I'd rather see that resolve first. Time to deep-dive into POE.

Wow incredible, logic ITT. My mind blown rn

it would be surprising if only I was the one who thought of it. Anyways, will check POE.

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:21 am

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!

Urist is dead we can't use that meta anymore. Sad.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:19 am Lets vote falcon yall

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am Self-resolving:
Scotty:
Lock town due to desperado.

Epignosis:
Claimed 3p.

Syn/BoKnows:
Poisoned. Pending flip.


Tier 1, mech things:
RondoDimBuckle:
Was apparently green-checked by Wilgy. So, Wilgy might always have to flip first before Rondo.

Poison:
Claimed parity on 112, Rondo, TSP. Pushed 112 who flipped 3p. Pushed Koba for RB choice.

tutuu:
Claimed to have poisoned Bo. Claim was unprompted, and she pushed 112 who flipped 3p and gave her wishes (of which was used on Bo). I think Bo's flip should help figure tutuu out.

DrWilgy:
Claimed cop. Checked Bo/Rondo/Epi? Being wrong on Epi, or a claimed check, is not a good look. Bo flipping should determine Wilgy, but seeing as the check on Epi seems to be wrong, maybe not so necessary?


Tier 2:
sig and TSP:
Some mech with each other. Not quite tied to the point of being in Tier 1.

Made:
Treestump claim.

falcon45ca:
The only other game I remember them in was Deck Mafia 003, when they were town and voted themselves off on D1. I'm not sure if I can confidently read them, and would rather others do it instead. But I think from my limited experience with them, shouldn't they be trying to vote themselves off again?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME:
I don't really remember their posts. But they claimed a witcher flavor. There was that game W!Mac said killing Nanook is pro-town, but didn't push Nanook here, so IDK if that means anything. Like, maybe Nanook has a NAI approach to games so it's near policy.



There's a huge interlink of mech in Wilgy, I think. Was thinking that should wait till we figure Bo out first, but the check on Epi seems to be wrong, so that probably answers the question? If so, Bo is likely gonna flip villa. If Bo is villa, that kinda implicates Tutuu and Wilgy. If poison is gonna take 2 phases to resolve, then we're gonna be a lot closer to LYLO without resolving anything.

I'm leaning towards Tier 2 for solving, while Tier 1 is a confusing mech list.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:27 am @Poison @Scotty @Made kill falcon tomorrow ok?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:55 am

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:54 am wait what is going on here, someone just use simple words and make me understand shit. I'm lost.

im not sure if @DrWilgy actually has a cop check on made or is just calling him scum because made is pushing him