The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:36 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 pm

cobalt is who you want to resolve more than anyone? am I reading that right

Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.

I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.

LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.

I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?

In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow

I feel like something is off. I just checked Flander's ISO and I don't think he's called me scum once this game, and he has a stated townread on me from earlier today. Are you reading the same game I am?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:42 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:38 pm I'm slightly concerned about lynching falcon because I feel like players frequently read him wrong and I don't feel like he is doing the work he did as wolf in the Baseball game.

Seanzie, what's your view on falcon45ca?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:36 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm
Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.

I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.

LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.

I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?

In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow

I feel like something is off. I just checked Flander's ISO and I don't think he's called me scum once this game, and he has a stated townread on me from earlier today. Are you reading the same game I am?

And actually, what info are you hoping to get from a Cobalt flip?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:36 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm

I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.

LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.

I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?

In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow

I feel like something is off. I just checked Flander's ISO and I don't think he's called me scum once this game, and he has a stated townread on me from earlier today. Are you reading the same game I am?

And actually, what info are you hoping to get from a Cobalt flip?

removal of cobalt from the game

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:38 pm I'm slightly concerned about lynching falcon because I feel like players frequently read him wrong and I don't feel like he is doing the work he did as wolf in the Baseball game.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:17 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:51 pm

I dont know Falcon well enough to say if its a hit or not. I am leaning town and Marmot I am ok with but I want to set up a possible third wagon and someone who I just want to resolve more than anyone else in the game

cobalt is who you want to resolve more than anyone? am I reading that right

Yes

They are on everyones mind, everyone wants them to post. They have been a 1 post day 1 and 0 post day 2. I just want them out so we can stop talking about them. I dont care if they are town or wolf. It would be great if they are wolf. Sure its low hanging fruit but its removing focus from the game.

I had a similar thought earlier (not necessarily removing focus since I don't think they've gotten that much attention, but dealing with a slot we can't take to FX), but I'd also like to hear who you'd vote for if you weren't voting to deal with a troublesome slot.

LP/Martin/Flanders, I didnt like martins explosion eaerlier, It could have been a wolf exhasperated about his slot being tunneled so early in the day and his pop in after the votes had dissipated looked wolfy to me but I will be honest and say I didnt put much time in to reading them fully.

LP I didnt like for the double freeze

Flanders because he keeps sussing my spot and I know I am town and I have been the most solvy day 1

GTH I think Flanders might be town but I also dont like how he has treated your slot. it could have been T/T but I also tinfoil For W/W because we could be in a terrible spot being lead by Seanzie/Fladers into oblivion because of holidays and low wim.

I don't know what you mean by "double freeze".

How has Flanders treated my slot?

In the last 100 posts he was fairly agressive towards calling you scum then doesnt really push it fully

And in my ISO I got LP to freeze and bail from chat for a bit at one point. I saw it as scum indicative. However I could be wrong so I didnt push it too hard because I tunnel sometimes. So Cobalt is the obvious choice for me so I have more info for tomorrow

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:25 pm Seanzie, would you be willing to vote one of the other two wagons to not have the vote randomed?

If not, what's so compelling that you think Falcon is scummier than Marmot and Flanders?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:31 pm [VOTE: Falcon ] aubergine sheeping seanzie since I cant get cobalt going

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:36 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:31 pm [VOTE: Falcon ] aubergine sheeping seanzie since I cant get cobalt going

Ugh, now I actually have to think.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:35 pm Yeah I want to jump on flanders but I dont want it to seem opportunistic so compromising and helping Seanzie secure Falcon while putting Flanders/Marmot in a 50/50 seems like its ok

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:34 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:25 pm Seanzie, would you be willing to vote one of the other two wagons to not have the vote randomed?

If not, what's so compelling that you think Falcon is scummier than Marmot and Flanders?

I'm not willing to move at this time, no.

I could see myself moving to Flanders, but I feel okay about Marmot and I think at least one, if not both of Flanders/Falcon are scum of some kind.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:38 pm Well Falcon is being top lynch and I think Marmot is probably more likely than Flanders.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:39 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:38 pm Well Falcon is being top lynch and I think Marmot is probably more likely than Flanders.

Sell me on Marmot

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:59 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:16 pm Martin's reaction to that lynch seems pretty townie to me.

I still got a bad feeling about Marmot though. Doesn't help they tried faking being a Cop at the start of the day.

Nor does it help they immediately went to cast doubt on Doom reanimating as Town.

Marmot jokingly claiming cop like that is probably NAI (in particular he did it only after another claim, not like to bait a claim) for him. Aside from that and DoOm (which tbh I'm not sure of what to think of the whole reanimation thing so I'm a little wary there too), can you articulate your bad feeling about Marmot at all?

Yeah it was just a bunch of small things over the course of D1.

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

Do you think that is AI?

Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).

I remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.

Oops, that's what I meant.

But I am now thoroughly convinced. [VOTE: martin] aubergine

This was the first one which I found weird. He gave a slight pushback to one of your reads, but switched to supporting it after a brief explanation which I don't even personally think was amazingly compelling.

It's just a post which seemed to be like he was wanting to make an interaction with someone, but didn't actually want to commit to properly scrutinizing a read. It comes across as someone with an agenda that didn't want to defend Martin but rather fish for any possible explanation to vote for them. To top it off it's worded in such a way that it can easily be laughed off as a joke vote since it has such a non-serious tone for an otherwise seemingly serious conversation. It doesn't feel genuine.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:13 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:44 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:38 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:25 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:20 am

You seem oddly worried about being chopped considering we aren't even halfway through D1.

yes I am

because I have quite a few games with you seanzie and your choice is to chop me out of all people in a game with so few posts

Oooor... you're a wolf who bit too hard on early pressure.

well then I would very much like to make you regret d1 chopping me somehow because quite frankly I find d1 chops of people I know / could more confident solve to be suboptimal, and in absence of any significant content in the game, a really stupid choice

I currently got no ideas as to how I would make you regret that though, outside of "oh no martin was town"

Gonna assume you'll be reanimated after your flip, and if we're all wrong you get to come back and be all like "I told you so", if you're town.

Which is looking doubtful

How does this reanimation work?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:23 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:17 pm
[snip]

Never played a reanimation setup before, and the OP doesn't really tell me much.

Have you played this setup before? I asked about it in the sign up thread and mo one told me how or why players are reanimated.
I'm going in blind here. Just kinda figured host reanimated and rands shit until they get tired if hosting.. lol

I haven't played this setup either, I was hoping you might know something we didn't

I've played games with rezzes here in the past, which is where Wilgy got the idea from iirc from when he submitted the idea for this game. Generally, there is some mechanic in the game that triggers such rezzes, and I'd wager it's related to the secret 3P role listed in the OP.

These two posts are actually just straight fishing, possibly TMI since it almost sounds like he has the answer to the question.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:53 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:12 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:13 am So your position is that Seanzie is a wolf?

My position is that seanzie is worth looking into because he more or less said he wasn't going to do any interaction with me

by not doing that after my passive-aggressive post that implicitly referred to him

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:27 pm This looks like a great way to generate discussion!

Also: I don't think anyone can be certainly wolf. No one can figure that out in 100 posts, at least in my personal experience.

What needs to happen is more things and more interactions. I've been trying to do that that with my earlier posts.

Last town game I had on another site, I lost to a wolf because there wasn't enough posts in the game. if there had been more posts that game, I would've been able to figure out who was more likely to be the wolf partner there, instead of just relying on my world-building bias. Admittedly though, it was only 300ish posts because it was a light-ish game, but I want to get the ball rolling this game just so we avoid the scenario of finding out there was too little to go on too late.

Valid, ok you keep doing you.

Does this make you change your mind that Martin could be scum?

Mmmm, I still think is one post is bad enough that I feel he's more likely scum than anyone else, but that did wane a bit, especially since someone (I forget who) claimed that Martin does get quite defensive as town.

This was the read in particular that really set off my red flag alarms near the end of D2.

It reads as someone who really does not want to close the door on possibly lynching Martin. Not only that, but they also made a move to shift blame and downplay the severity of responsibility for a mislynch.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:59 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:42 am when I went to sleep

was genuinely not expecting thread to double in size over 8-ish hours

anyways I was thinking more about Marmot + Seanzie

and I was suspecting that the latter is town (primarily on the basis that, even though I found the reasons to be dubious, doesn't look like nearly all d1 !wolf seanzies I have seen)

and the former to be suspicious of given that I don't think anything Marmot has done is towny for him; he is one of the most successful wolfs on The Syndicate iirc and him jumping between Seanzie and I earlier makes me sus of him

lets see if the last roughly 250 posts support that

I haven't won a game as wolf since 2020 (and that's in like 9 attempts), I don't think anyone would call me a good wolf.

This is a minor thing I noticed, but the calling themselves bad at playing scum almost just comes across as trying to say they can't be scum because it would be super obvious.

Outside of these specific posts I've just been looking at their ISO ocassionalyl and reading their reads. They aren't super egregious, but I find that they explain their reads to a large degree and keep people close to neutral reads which I view as a bit more on the scum side than town. They also just kind of had a sort of echo style of reads where they point to things other people have been saying about the person to justify reads and never using specifics from their own research.

That's kind of why I describe it as more of a bad feeling than a super hard evident of scummyness. They are participating, but all of it feels ever so slightly off like it's trying to blend in and not rock the boat.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:50 pm I'm feeling a goo 85% confident Mafia team is Marmot+Seanzie

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:49 pm Honestly I think Seanzie is trying to shield of Marmot here. I don't see how you go form unwilling to untie a 3-way to explicitly tying a 3-way.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:46 pm Back from driving for the past hour.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

I wouldn't mind voting cobalt, so long as that puts marmot outside of the top two wagons.

I get the feeling Marmot isn't a good wagon today given his strange and unexplained absence from the thread.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:52 pm why bother shielding marmot tho. talk to me sean

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:52 pm Alright 1 minute ISOs for falcon and flanders each

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:51 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:49 pm Honestly I think Seanzie is trying to shield of Marmot here. I don't see how you go form unwilling to untie a 3-way to explicitly tying a 3-way.

I am trying to shield Marmot. The only time I tied a 3-way was after you made this post, in order to increase the chance of Falcon/Flanders getting chopped.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:54 pm I'd vote falcon over Flanders, falcon has like one bad postt (where he questions someone for having too many townreads) which I associate with his scum meta.

What are the cases oin them?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:56 pm LP, why are you voting me?