The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.

We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.

And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.

Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.

Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.

I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

the zeigeist ie. the hivemind ie. the global sentiment ie. "lol I can just omgus mac and this is fine"

I'm not even pushing you mac, so if you're town, let me know once you've realized I'm right and we can talk.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:56 pm I'm not even pushing you mac, so if you're town, let me know once you've realized I'm right and we can talk.

u are so pushing me, you said you're just gonna turbo me if alison flips mafia and like... she might and then i'm gonna be here with my townie dick in my hand being force of willed lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.

We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.

And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.

Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.

Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.

I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:53 pm the zeigeist ie. the hivemind ie. the global sentiment ie. "lol I can just omgus mac and this is fine"

Hmm, okay. yeah, I see it.

D1 while I wouldn't say you did nothing, I would say you spewed the Fext elim as bad. What differs between you and Creature here, aside from your TMI on yourself?

Also, @MacDougall I said kill Alison, mac, creature.

You said:

Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
NAA town

Which read has wavered or insincere?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.

We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.

And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.

Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.

Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.

I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:53 pm the zeigeist ie. the hivemind ie. the global sentiment ie. "lol I can just omgus mac and this is fine"

Hmm, okay. yeah, I see it.

D1 while I wouldn't say you did nothing, I would say you spewed the Fext elim as bad. What differs between you and Creature here, aside from your TMI on yourself?

why do I need an aside here?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm Also, @MacDougall I said kill Alison, mac, creature.

You said:

Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
NAA town

Which read has wavered or insincere?

none?

I mean I could be wrong on like all of them but also wavering is for the soft

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm Also, @MacDougall I said kill Alison, mac, creature.

You said:

Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
NAA town

Which read has wavered or insincere?

none?

Ok, so we're in agreement. Why you throwing a fit about my reads?

Wilgy is probably my strongest townread. Falcon is like ... there. You two are like at least pushing something.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm Also, @MacDougall I said kill Alison, mac, creature.

You said:

Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
NAA town

Which read has wavered or insincere?

none?

Ok, so we're in agreement. Why you throwing a fit about my reads?

Because you're you and you upset me by doing things that you just do.

Sometimes. Then sometimes you're NPC.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 am Sometimes. Then sometimes you're NPC.

NPC is better than me.

If I were to line Creature and Alison up, hose them down and see who had the furriest complexion it is like no debate for me though. So I have nfi why you've picked Alison over Creature?

Hey, I think I have the best record among newcomers right? #sockys you can trust that I will legitimately reevaluate you when the time comes if you vote Alison.

Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:03 am Hey, I think I have the best record among newcomers right? #sockys you can trust that I will legitimately reevaluate you when the time comes if you vote Alison.

I expect your MVP and best town and best scum vote regardless of what occurs here sir.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

The difference?

Expectations.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:03 am Hey, I think I have the best record among newcomers right? #sockys you can trust that I will legitimately reevaluate you when the time comes if you vote Alison.

I expect your MVP and best town and best scum vote regardless of what occurs here sir.

Uh I think I did best town, but I have votes left for MVP and best scum. Which game should I put you for best scum?

Spiderverse

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse

K

well that was easy

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

The difference?

Expectations.

I just towned with Creature and he was near top town in content and solving and it was in a mash. Your expectations of him are too low.

But yeah, I'm going to use examples that don't play on site because I don't want to offend anyone.

If Chesskid3 is wrong D1 on someone he reads generally reads well... Worse on 2 players, I would instantly kill him. GTacc could get an ape to play for him and I would still kill Chesskid3 over GTacc.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am But yeah, I'm going to use examples that don't play on site because I don't want to offend anyone.

If Chesskid3 is wrong D1 on someone he reads generally reads well... Worse on 2 players, I would instantly kill him. GTacc could get an ape to play for him and I would still kill Chesskid3 over GTacc.

Btw I love you guys and I hope we get a game on 451 sometime.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

The difference?

Expectations.

I just towned with Creature and he was near top town in content and solving and it was in a mash. Your expectations of him are too low.

I'm not setting the bar too low, I'm not saying that Creature can't play good mafia, I'm saying the low end of their town game is... Well this. (Though they could very well be mafia here)

From my perspective even if Alison is mafia, it's still probably just Creature.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:13 am From my perspective even if Alison is mafia, it's still probably just Creature.

Right, but from your perspective even if it's creature its probably Alison, yeah?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:13 am From my perspective even if Alison is mafia, it's still probably just Creature.

What is your take on Alison?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse

I will say that while your openwolfing was a boon for your team, if you didn't have a fakeclaim that town didn't know you had... nah.

@MacDougall voted 4 socky.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:13 am From my perspective even if Alison is mafia, it's still probably just Creature.

Right, but from your perspective even if it's creature its probably Alison, yeah?

no probably not because I'm not likely to have a full solve on d2 in this gamestate it doesn't work that way

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse

I will say that while your openwolfing was a boon for your team, if you didn't have a fakeclaim that town didn't know you had... nah.

wolfing isn't about convincing everyone you're town dude lol

Yeah, people kill their town reads... Well, just Mac

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:22 am Yeah, people kill their town reads... Well, just Mac

Step 1 ... pick out the hardest to chop players and townread them
Step 2 ... kill them in the order that they are most likely to reevaluate
Step 3 ... yell at people heaps at EOD if they try to chop you

Do nothing else.

or

Step 1 ... bus entire team
Step 2 ... ?
Step 3 ... lose but it's funny

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:49 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.

I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

but for real wolfing is about not getting chopped TODAY it's not about being everyone's top townread... if you play that way you lock yourself into being unable to do things that benefit your faction

always keep at least one mischop ahead of you, that is all that's required

and never shield your teammates lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm

We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.

And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.

Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.

Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.

I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:53 pm the zeigeist ie. the hivemind ie. the global sentiment ie. "lol I can just omgus mac and this is fine"

Hmm, okay. yeah, I see it.

D1 while I wouldn't say you did nothing, I would say you spewed the Fext elim as bad. What differs between you and Creature here, aside from your TMI on yourself?

why do I need an aside here?

What does this mean? Can you please answer the question I asked?

you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Fext was not obvious town. He was an incredibly scummy player with a very plausible scumslip theory hanging around his neck. It's been clear, both in this game and in past games, that you don't have a ton of respect for my town play, to the point that you said in basic mafia you'd be willing to completely contravene my entire legacy if I flipped town just out of spite. I could believe you would policy Mac for pushing a D1 misexe, I don't believe that you would adopt the same policy on me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

The difference?

Expectations.

I just towned with Creature and he was near top town in content and solving and it was in a mash. Your expectations of him are too low.

What game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Plz just answer the question.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:21 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse

I will say that while your openwolfing was a boon for your team, if you didn't have a fakeclaim that town didn't know you had... nah.

wolfing isn't about convincing everyone you're town dude lol

I mean, fair. Given the cirumstances you did play your specific hand to the best of your knowledge. I'm just a little salty about that game tbh.

"mac is scum"

"Seanzie hasn't been paying attention to my claim and thus fits with wolves"

seanzie gets shot

Seanzie literally had the ability to take the game into his hands at that point because of his vote manipulation mechanics

----- but at the end of the day Seanzie earned his loss much much earlier.... Seanzie tried to vote manipulate the Made vs Michelle wagons to make Made go over, and it didn't go through in time ----

Seanzie still salty

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

The difference?

Expectations.

I just towned with Creature and he was near top town in content and solving and it was in a mash. Your expectations of him are too low.

What game?

squid games mash

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.

Yours is honestly worse because I had to beg Creature to vote Fext. You just went along with it even though clearly you were townreading them.

Haven't read the Alison posts yet, but man yeah, I feel good about Mac telling me I'm conf biased.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.

Yours is honestly worse because I had to beg Creature to vote Fext. You just went along with it even though clearly you were townreading them.

Creature was never voting Alison.