The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:59 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:57 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:52 am there's something poetic about me being such obvious town early game and dunking on the wolves so hard that i was protected and probably should have been nked early on but instead i was kept alive until the end with an unverifiable role and ended up as the losing misyeet
No, we killed you N2, but something stopped it. Presumably Seraph Angel + another protection.

I assumed that until sprit said you used strongman

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:00 am**

nova, I actually killed myself the night that you died, but I took the tier 2 deal and bussed myself with you, so that I also received a gun.

I thought it was a pretty slick move.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:00 am**

the strongman only blocks one heal, not two

also the lost soft was an actual coincidence, I was killed N1, but since I'm the traitor I got recruited instead

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:00 am**

Oh but not on that night yeah ok

Yeah I thought so haha

Still it's like

Funny that town protected me but it ended up becoming a bad thing that I was alive at the end

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:01 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:00 am the strongman only blocks one heal, not two

also the lost soft was an actual coincidence, I was killed N1, but since I'm the traitor I got recruited instead

incredible

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:02 am**

Did @tutuu actually know more about my role and win condition? I was terrified she was going to reveal more, but she never did.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:05 am**

You were on fire nutella. I figured the way things were going, I had no other option but to bus every single one of my teammates and cross my fingers that'd be enough towncred for myself and Alison.

Another note, there was also a point in the game where there were three mafia alive, but one was a traitor and one was a mastermind, making for a very difficult numbers game to work with.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:05 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:02 am Did @tutuu actually know more about my role and win condition? I was terrified she was going to reveal more, but she never did.

It says in the endgame reveal that the strongman part wasn't revealed to her

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:06 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:02 am Did @tutuu actually know more about my role and win condition? I was terrified she was going to reveal more, but she never did.
It says in the endgame reveal that the strongman part wasn't revealed to her

@tutuu it was specifically set up to not give away alignment suck on that #iwasright

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:06 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:02 am Did @tutuu actually know more about my role and win condition? I was terrified she was going to reveal more, but she never did.
It says in the endgame reveal that the strongman part wasn't revealed to her

She hinted to me that she knew more, and I wasn't sure what she meant by it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:09 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:45 am Nanook has died in the night

Spoiler: show
They were the Town Mayor

Thundercat and Grand Scheme agree to vote out NIK, NIK has been lynched and reveals to be the
Spoiler: show
Odd Night Gunsmith
Thundercat AKA Marmot is the
Spoiler: show
Mafia Displacer: Survive the first attempt on your life, designate a player at night to vanish during the day this player CAN be yourself.

*When performing the mafia kill your kills are Strongman. This is not revealed by the flavor cop when checked*
Grand Scheme AKA Long Con was the
Spoiler: show
Gambit Demon: During the day, select a player to bargain with. You will join a chat with the player who can choose to accept your help *SECRETS* After making an offer, the BTSC will stay open as long as you are alive. Players have to use each tier before unlocking the next tier. You are not allowed to share information from other BTSC conversations. Doing so will result in a mod kill.
-Tier 1: ”Role Block another player” (Role block another player)
-Tier 2: ”Swap places with a player” (swap received visits with the target
-Tier 3: ”Kill or Protect any player” (Targeted player is killed/protected and vanished for the next day phase)

None of these actions can affect yourself and will nullify if you are targeted. Should they choose a bargain, they will have a debt to you which you collect the following night in the form of:
-Player has their vote reduced to Zero.
-Player receives all targets meant for you.
-Kill the player
You do not have to share these options. Should a player use the tier 3 option, they will flip as “Consumed by Greed” and you gain an extra life. This only works once.
Win Condition is either using all three choices at least once, or by having bargained 7 times total.

MAFIA WIN, GAMBIT DEMON WIN, MASTERMIND LOSS, PUPPETEER LOSS, ANGEL LOSS, TOWN LOSS,

I'll have more to say tomorrow but thread is open

For Hall of Fame purposes, who are all the winners and their true identities?

I think I’ve got a guess who Grand Scheme is.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:12 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:09 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:45 am Nanook has died in the night

Spoiler: show
They were the Town Mayor

Thundercat and Grand Scheme agree to vote out NIK, NIK has been lynched and reveals to be the
Spoiler: show
Odd Night Gunsmith
Thundercat AKA Marmot is the
Spoiler: show
Mafia Displacer: Survive the first attempt on your life, designate a player at night to vanish during the day this player CAN be yourself.

*When performing the mafia kill your kills are Strongman. This is not revealed by the flavor cop when checked*
Grand Scheme AKA Long Con was the
Spoiler: show
Gambit Demon: During the day, select a player to bargain with. You will join a chat with the player who can choose to accept your help *SECRETS* After making an offer, the BTSC will stay open as long as you are alive. Players have to use each tier before unlocking the next tier. You are not allowed to share information from other BTSC conversations. Doing so will result in a mod kill.
-Tier 1: ”Role Block another player” (Role block another player)
-Tier 2: ”Swap places with a player” (swap received visits with the target
-Tier 3: ”Kill or Protect any player” (Targeted player is killed/protected and vanished for the next day phase)

None of these actions can affect yourself and will nullify if you are targeted. Should they choose a bargain, they will have a debt to you which you collect the following night in the form of:
-Player has their vote reduced to Zero.
-Player receives all targets meant for you.
-Kill the player
You do not have to share these options. Should a player use the tier 3 option, they will flip as “Consumed by Greed” and you gain an extra life. This only works once.
Win Condition is either using all three choices at least once, or by having bargained 7 times total.

MAFIA WIN, GAMBIT DEMON WIN, MASTERMIND LOSS, PUPPETEER LOSS, ANGEL LOSS, TOWN LOSS,

I'll have more to say tomorrow but thread is open
For Hall of Fame purposes, who are all the winners and their true identities?

I think I’ve got a guess who Grand Scheme is.

Jack/Poly/Sabie/TH/Marmot/Alison/LC

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:13 am**

Wait not TH they dont win with the team

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:13 am**

Don't listen to me

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:17 am**

Yep what nutella said checks out.

Jack/Poly/Sabie/Marmot/Alison = Mafia

LC = Gambit Demon

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:18 am**

does alison ever lose as mafia?

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:19 am**

I did my best

maybe

GG

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:28 am**

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:19 am I did my best

maybe

GG

Your choice to shoot Alison almost did it in for us. I thought you played remarkably.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:30 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:18 am does alison ever lose as mafia?

I lost in the simpsons mafia

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:30 am**

Nice work Marmot

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:33 am**

In fact, town in general played so well to start this game off. I don't think I've ever seen a game before where not a single townie was dead going into Day 3, and there were 2 mafia and a 3p dead at that point. Yes there were some missteps with townies wanting to play hero in the midgame, but that didn't overall ruin their chances to win even if it hurt them a little.

There were just some mechanics that were never quite solved. I don't know if they could've been solved, but you guys did get really close.

We got insanely lucky that LC picked Alison first, and that she was also the traitor, and that we also killed her N1 and gained her into chat.

We also got lucky that we killed off the real other 3P, so that role was available for me to claim.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:34 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:30 am Nice work Marmot

Thanks for offing yourself, you were going to get me yeeted eventually if you stayed alive.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:48 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:28 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:19 am I did my best

maybe

GG
Your choice to shoot Alison almost did it in for us. I thought you played remarkably.

Thank u Marmot you relatively large ground squirrel

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:55 am**

You're welcome slightly less creepy anime girl version of the Shining.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:15 am**

I usually think of myself as a townsiding 3p, but recent experiences have led me to the 'underdog-siding' 3p position. Of course, it depends on what my Win Condition situation is, of course.

I had to kiss Alison's ass when I thought she was town, and I thought I would teach her a lesson for daring to dream that she could control a mighty demon - after I had used her enough to get my Win Condition. But then, something changed - the baddies were getting their asses kicked, and Alison was the Lost Wolf! She and Thundercat immediately had my sympathies - especially when The Obliterator, their most powerful weapon, was defused before deployment.

I didn't really do much... I added my voice to the already-majority opinion that TC was indeed 3p. And when I was forced into a Kingmaker position that I really didn't ask for, who do I side with? Joe Who, who never really bothered to show? nutella, who treated me like some sort of power dispensary, to be accessed when the mood strikes?

Nay, 'twas the Mafia that gave me a home, 'twas Mafia that orchestrated and protected my win!

It would have been dishonourable to make any other choice, I'm sure anyone would agree.

Sorry Kyle.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:37 am**

Scum and/or dead chat?

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:29 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:06 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:02 am Did @tutuu actually know more about my role and win condition? I was terrified she was going to reveal more, but she never did.
It says in the endgame reveal that the strongman part wasn't revealed to her
@tutuu it was specifically set up to not give away alignment suck on that #iwasright

Suck on what? As i said the role doesnt make sense to be 3p considering how sprityo made the other two 3ps

Game was pretty scumsided, it was 16 vs 9 but with two mafia having two lives it was de facto 16 vs 11

Also this is the second time i rand cop and there is specifically another role in the game that is designed to fool me and no one else (last time in philosophers mafia, a godfather existed only for me)

I dont rly like being lied to lol, my mafia philosophy is very different. My role says that i can see all secrets but i didnt see all secrets about marmot's role. Its fine to not tell me all secrets but i would have worded/designed it differently so u dont have to lie to ur players about what their role does

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:34 am**

Like if my role said "see all secrets unless some of those secrets are specifically designed to not be seen by you" - then thats fine, then im not being lied to about what my role does

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:40 am**

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:15 am I usually think of myself as a townsiding 3p, but recent experiences have led me to the 'underdog-siding' 3p position. Of course, it depends on what my Win Condition situation is, of course.

I had to kiss Alison's ass when I thought she was town, and I thought I would teach her a lesson for daring to dream that she could control a mighty demon - after I had used her enough to get my Win Condition. But then, something changed - the baddies were getting their asses kicked, and Alison was the Lost Wolf! She and Thundercat immediately had my sympathies - especially when The Obliterator, their most powerful weapon, was defused before deployment.

I didn't really do much... I added my voice to the already-majority opinion that TC was indeed 3p. And when I was forced into a Kingmaker position that I really didn't ask for, who do I side with? Joe Who, who never really bothered to show? nutella, who treated me like some sort of power dispensary, to be accessed when the mood strikes? Nay, 'twas the Mafia that gave me a home, 'twas Mafia that orchestrated and protected my win!

It would have been dishonourable to make any other choice, I'm sure anyone would agree.

Sorry Kyle.

Totally agree

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:54 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:06 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:02 am Did @tutuu actually know more about my role and win condition? I was terrified she was going to reveal more, but she never did.
It says in the endgame reveal that the strongman part wasn't revealed to her
@tutuu it was specifically set up to not give away alignment suck on that #iwasright

@nutella please explain this post, was this aimed at the village who misyeeted you or was this aimed at me?

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:31 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:46 am It's worth noting that mafia while having access to the strong kill never actually made a kill through protection

technically it's not a strongman kill then, the way most people refer to strongman kill is a kill that is unstoppable. from what i read your implementation was a 2 KP kill. i think it would be correct to call it that (2 Kill Power kill) and not a strongman kill

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:42 am**

don't think the game is scumsided

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:54 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:31 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:46 am It's worth noting that mafia while having access to the strong kill never actually made a kill through protection
technically it's not a strongman kill then, the way most people refer to strongman kill is a kill that is unstoppable. from what i read your implementation was a 2 KP kill. i think it would be correct to call it that (2 Kill Power kill) and not a strongman kill

Realistically I could have not revealed marmot ever having the strongman since it was never actually used that’s another big reason why I made that addendum among other things to the mafia teams role

When you look at the setup the town is heavily beefed out with investigations and protection roles not including 3P meddling

Mafia had no means of extra kills, piercing protection, or overall fooling the town outside of their poster role of obliterator who they had to work against as well

All things considered the game went as smoothly as it could’ve I think and town 100% could’ve won that but like many people have said I think the hang up end game came down to everyone trying to mechanically solve with claims in a game where there are hidden roles in each alignment

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:57 am**

That being said tutuu was realistically a role cop that only worked on mafia which was an oversight by me. And she nailed 2 mafia! Very good deductions.

My biggest disappointment by far though was having to replace the titular threat to the entire setup not once but twice

Also losing poison/MR early skewed the threat level way down in general

Imagine 2 extra dead players a night on top of normal shenanigans

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:58 am**

I’ll be doing a larger write up today when im home but congratulations to the mafia for a hard fought game

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:59 am**

i was realistically both a role cop and an alignment cop combined :P

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:24 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:59 am i was realistically both a role cop and an alignment cop combined :P

No you weren't that is my point lol

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:24 pm**

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:45 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:24 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:59 am i was realistically both a role cop and an alignment cop combined :P
No you weren't that is my point lol

what is your point?

you're speaking nonsense

the public info that we all knew was the first part of marmot's role. the one that i shared itt

i correctly identified that sprityo wouldn't put such a lame survivor role as a 3p considering the puppet master and gambit demon, and that no possible interesting enough of a win con could justify the bland role

you were screaming at me in all caps "STOP WITH THIS "ROLE BEING LAME" SHIT, READ THE GAME NOT THE HOST FFS", to support your argument that you think thundercat is 3p

game ends, post game rolls up, we see that thundercat is mafia and not 3p, and you ping me and say "haha suck it tutuu i was right and you were wrong :P"

why are you trolling?

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:04 pm**

that was so fucking obnoxious. i wasnt even gonna say anything post-game i dont care about the outcome. but what is this disgusting shit.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:11 pm**

I had a more interesting claim prepared to add to my wincon for being a survivor, but never needed to say it.

"You are a survivor, you must survive until the end of the game. Additionally you must be lynched/killed at least once, and you must also participate in the killing of a townie, mafia, and 3P role."

Was Made the other real 3P? I'm curious what his role was, it looks like they were an Angel of sorts.

I'm also curious who the secret town role was.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:12 pm**

I felt that that claim coupled with my ability to displace a player from the thread upon my own death, and a death survival were a reasonable combination.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:30 pm**

Roles and all btsc links will be posted later as well

Don’t forget for the winners that you’re eligible for GOC 2020 now if you weren’t previously (and with 3 days left no less)

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:35 pm**

Game has been updated in the Hall of Fame.

Posted: **Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:51 pm**

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:15 am I usually think of myself as a townsiding 3p, but recent experiences have led me to the 'underdog-siding' 3p position. Of course, it depends on what my Win Condition situation is, of course.

I had to kiss Alison's ass when I thought she was town, and I thought I would teach her a lesson for daring to dream that she could control a mighty demon - after I had used her enough to get my Win Condition. But then, something changed - the baddies were getting their asses kicked, and Alison was the Lost Wolf! She and Thundercat immediately had my sympathies - especially when The Obliterator, their most powerful weapon, was defused before deployment.

I didn't really do much... I added my voice to the already-majority opinion that TC was indeed 3p. And when I was forced into a Kingmaker position that I really didn't ask for, who do I side with? Joe Who, who never really bothered to show? nutella, who treated me like some sort of power dispensary, to be accessed when the mood strikes? Nay, 'twas the Mafia that gave me a home, 'twas Mafia that orchestrated and protected my win!

It would have been dishonourable to make any other choice, I'm sure anyone would agree.

Sorry Kyle.

Tbf, you didn't even have to play kingmaker on the last day. I would've shot NIK immediately had we played it out.

Posted: **Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:51 am**

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:15 am I usually think of myself as a townsiding 3p, but recent experiences have led me to the 'underdog-siding' 3p position. Of course, it depends on what my Win Condition situation is, of course.

I had to kiss Alison's ass when I thought she was town, and I thought I would teach her a lesson for daring to dream that she could control a mighty demon - after I had used her enough to get my Win Condition. But then, something changed - the baddies were getting their asses kicked, and Alison was the Lost Wolf! She and Thundercat immediately had my sympathies - especially when The Obliterator, their most powerful weapon, was defused before deployment.

I didn't really do much... I added my voice to the already-majority opinion that TC was indeed 3p. And when I was forced into a Kingmaker position that I really didn't ask for, who do I side with? Joe Who, who never really bothered to show? nutella, who treated me like some sort of power dispensary, to be accessed when the mood strikes? Nay, 'twas the Mafia that gave me a home, 'twas Mafia that orchestrated and protected my win!

It would have been dishonourable to make any other choice, I'm sure anyone would agree.

Sorry Kyle.

I appreciate the apology but also i would have done the same thing. I'm pretty I went as far in our btsc as suggesting betraying us at least once or twice.

the most important thing in mafia beyond glory is to make things as weird as possible with no exceptions, i will always stand by that.

Posted: **Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:51 am**

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:15 am I usually think of myself as a townsiding 3p, but recent experiences have led me to the 'underdog-siding' 3p position. Of course, it depends on what my Win Condition situation is, of course.

I had to kiss Alison's ass when I thought she was town, and I thought I would teach her a lesson for daring to dream that she could control a mighty demon - after I had used her enough to get my Win Condition. But then, something changed - the baddies were getting their asses kicked, and Alison was the Lost Wolf! She and Thundercat immediately had my sympathies - especially when The Obliterator, their most powerful weapon, was defused before deployment.

I didn't really do much... I added my voice to the already-majority opinion that TC was indeed 3p. And when I was forced into a Kingmaker position that I really didn't ask for, who do I side with? Joe Who, who never really bothered to show? nutella, who treated me like some sort of power dispensary, to be accessed when the mood strikes? Nay, 'twas the Mafia that gave me a home, 'twas Mafia that orchestrated and protected my win!

It would have been dishonourable to make any other choice, I'm sure anyone would agree.

Sorry Kyle.

I appreciate the apology but also i would have done the same thing. I'm pretty I went as far in our btsc as suggesting betraying us at least once or twice.

the most important thing in mafia beyond glory is to make things as weird as possible with no exceptions, i will always stand by that.

Posted: **Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:52 am**

it's better to lose a close game than to win an easy game

Posted: **Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:55 am**

I do not share that philosophy.

Posted: **Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:58 am**

well okay maybe that's dishonest. winning is better, but watching some weird bullshit is a close second, so long as it's interesting, and so long as the game doesn't just suddenly stall at lylo for some reason

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