The Syndicate

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

projecting town is part of a different set of skills than what we do for deception. it is really hard to imitate it and the difference can be read correctly by experienced players. i think your struggle is a problem of yours rather than scottys

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:41 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

projecting town is part of a different set of skills than what we do for deception. it is really hard to imitate it and the difference can be read correctly by experienced players. i think your struggle is a problem of yours rather than scottys

wait martin town read you, not scotty; i got it mixed up

reads

Martin
MR

Robyn

Wilgy

abi
Scotty

Long Con

Stick
Garebare

DarlingMonroe

I don't really have a strong scumcase on anyone btw

I'm gonna be open tbh

I'm kiiiinda just hoping Stick is mafia.

Because I don't know who is other than just kicking inactives out.

DM I could maybe be wrong on, given that my read is on them being low-level-ish and that I have very limited experience with them, but I just don't want to consider that for possibly confirmation biased reasoning.

Baker lean town for raisins.

Princess abi supposedly town for lack of playing-the-game yet being here for who-knows-what reason -- I say supposedly because I feel this sort of play just isn't really in the spirit of the game.

Scotty is someone I lose to, same with DrWilgy.

Master Radishes had a decent enough entrance.

Long Con is just there. Idk what to make of him other than slightly leaning he's town because he was paying attention to wagons and saying how "good" they are.

Same case with Robyn. They've been so out of it I might dump my very old and worn early d1 read and throw it into the washing machine.

Garebare needs a care bear. The slot has more value as a random joke than as a player this game.

This ultimately (and perhaps very confirmation biasedly) ends up making me think it has to be someone mistakenly townread (such as Stick) otherwise we'd be onto a wolf by now or just have more confidences. Outside of the 25%(?, idk whats the actual %) chance that it's all in the people who I don't really have any towniness comming from.

Baker D2

Scotty OMGUS hard

Second conclusions are around me and Abi

baker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:54 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:29 am

baker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:53 pm Baker > Abigail > DM is my preferred vote as it stands.

Will vote out of line with Scotty though. [VOTE: DM] aubergine

I will townlean Wilgy for this post. I think we are all thinking Abi looks sus from this but honestly Scotty has been making pushes on a very false narrative that can harm town more. Wilgy voting DM here is a towny reaction to that.

Explain why ?

I think there was an observable difference in your D1 activity compared to what I know of your games in the past

+

Falcon was voting you and the Falcon wagon was formed at EoD which was a CW to yours, people decided to vote on it or vote on slots that weren't yours. You had the highest votes before with Falcon/Scotty. It is possible someone avoided voting you for whatever reason that can't be cleared alignment wise atp

And I don't know what to make of this. Like, it's correct that Abi was at 2 and didn't go to 3, LC did first, but it's inherently incorrect thinking that Falcon was Abi's CW. LC was. LC absolved into Falcon. I guess this is in line with other statements of Abi has neg vote momentum and that's wolfy, but hard to say why that's wolfy? I guess I can see town making that observation in spite of it being wrong? Like a townie gut feeling built on incorrect data? Does a wolf use incorrect data like this as a mistake to make a non ai generalization around a slot?

baker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:03 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:25 am [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine poke poke

i know you just said youre busy and that you can play tomorrow but...until then!!

this is an ok prod tbh given the gamestate

this post kinda reeks.


Eh, I'm kinda done with this. Keep getting distracted by the kids.

Baker's ISO is still bad but there's like afew very small bits of interaction that I can see from both angles. I think the thing I found most concerning that I hadn't noticed previously is the tendency to play kinda buddy buddy with afee players.

I get the time constraints make things hard and lack of familiarity makes things hard, but that didn't prevent a strong conclusion being pulled on Scotty during the omgus and that's kinda a big hangup for me.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:52 pm Princess abi supposedly town for lack of playing-the-game yet being here for who-knows-what reason -- I say supposedly because I feel this sort of play just isn't really in the spirit of the game.

okay maybe this was a LITTLE uncharitable by me

but it doesn't feel like they actually want to be here at all and most of the stuff they say is token

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:19 pm has garebare posted at all today?

Not that I'm aware of and I'm not sure how we proceed on the slot.

Like assuming this is a 4 yeeter, we have 3 more misses. 2 if a 3 yeeter. Do we burn one to clean slot in a game where it's been generally difficult to build a PoE?

I'll go DM to make it a tie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:55 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:19 pm has garebare posted at all today?

Not that I'm aware of and I'm not sure how we proceed on the slot.

Like assuming this is a 4 yeeter, we have 3 more misses. 2 if a 3 yeeter. Do we burn one to clean slot in a game where it's been generally difficult to build a PoE?

I think chopping into DM/Stick/LC will always result in 1 wolf minimum at worst

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:55 pm Not that I'm aware of and I'm not sure how we proceed on the slot.

If garebare isn't meeting minimums then it would be best to --- [insert host action speculation and planning around possible host actions, which is probably very bad for the "natural" course of the game as we would effectively be treating the host more like a player]

my turn to post a vote-count

Scotty
1
9%
Voters: baker
☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
3
27%
Voters: Long Con, Scotty, Stick
Stick
3
27%
Voters: Master Radishes, DarlingMonroe, MartinGG99
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Garebare2468
0
No votes
Voters: None
baker
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
MartinGG99
0
No votes

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

“On Interstate 80, three or four hours into the long, westward drive across Nebraska, with the sun hovering mercilessly in the midsummer sky on a cloudless and broiling July afternoon, there were moments when I thought there was no way I’d ever find what I had come here to seek:
The best America there ever was. Or at least whatever might be left of it.”

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:08 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

“On Interstate 80, three or four hours into the long, westward drive across Nebraska, with the sun hovering mercilessly in the midsummer sky on a cloudless and broiling July afternoon, there were moments when I thought there was no way I’d ever find what I had come here to seek:
The best America there ever was. Or at least whatever might be left of it.”

Now you can’t say I never read you Once Upon a Town.

Leave garebear aside. There's no point wasting braincells over inactives and no point wasting chops over them either.

Kinda same with Robyn for now unfortunately.

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:55 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:19 pm has garebare posted at all today?

Not that I'm aware of and I'm not sure how we proceed on the slot.

Like assuming this is a 4 yeeter, we have 3 more misses. 2 if a 3 yeeter. Do we burn one to clean slot in a game where it's been generally difficult to build a PoE?

I think chopping into DM/Stick/LC will always result in 1 wolf minimum at worst

how much of the game have you read for this to be a genuine take?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:52 pm I'm kiiiinda just hoping Stick is mafia.

hate to disappoint

come to think of it

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:48 pm reads

Martin
MR

Robyn

Wilgy

abi
Scotty

Long Con

Stick
Garebare

DarlingMonroe

why is robyn so high for you

could you also give a short summary or sentence as to why I am at the top?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:10 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:08 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

“On Interstate 80, three or four hours into the long, westward drive across Nebraska, with the sun hovering mercilessly in the midsummer sky on a cloudless and broiling July afternoon, there were moments when I thought there was no way I’d ever find what I had come here to seek:
The best America there ever was. Or at least whatever might be left of it.”

Now you can’t say I never read you Once Upon a Town.

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:48 pm reads

Martin
MR

Robyn

Wilgy

abi
Scotty

Long Con

Stick
Garebare

DarlingMonroe

That sounds about right for me. Generous, even.

im vanilla townie, good luck town

wont bother to post final reads as theyll just go unseen

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:58 pm I'll go DM to make it a tie.

this is boring

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:51 pm wont bother to post final reads as theyll just go unseen

…what? We have an hour left and also…that’s patently false.

This is a sure fire way to make people stay on you

good thats the plan, ill go out laughing at how bad you guys are

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:55 pm good thats the plan, ill go out laughing at how bad you guys are

Just humor me and share reads pls??

nope, tired of being misunderstood and judged

if 1 more person claims vanilla town

[unvote]Darling Monroe[/unvote]

actually no, im not letting myself swayed by this

[VOTE: Darling Monroe] aubergine


sorry if wrong

bruh

self-votes and unwilling to give reads smh

if we're indeed bad you're only making yourself look worse even if town

in my first ever FM game someone said a good town can chop wolves on D1 and D2. then they referenced games from Achromatic, JaggedJimmyJay and MacDougall.

I guess we will never be that good xd~

I would suggest a CFD on Abi or a gamble on Scotty if people are unsure about the Stick/DM wagons

I know in the past Abi attended EoD's as town and avoided EoD's as wolf.

I'm aware it's D2 but it's kinda D1 in my head so I'm gonna go with a general 'I don't care let's just kill someone' approach.

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:14 pm I would suggest a CFD on Abi or a gamble on Scotty if people are unsure about the Stick/DM wagons

I know in the past Abi attended EoD's as town and avoided EoD's as wolf.

I would vote abi out of partial insanity and wanting to spite them than anything actually solvy.

Though I guess it would be solvy if they happened to be wolf but that's pre-flipping and I don't like that.

Also I'm preety sure if we did a flash wagon and got another town killed Scotty would convince the host to give him a 1x night kill and use it on me lol

Abi and LC are slots that deserve harder looks, yeah.

But as someone who loves flashwagons I don't think one is the right move here. The Stick/Baker/DM trio has gotten the most attention today and shooting in there would be best imo. At the very very least we'd solve an uncertain slot and possibly be able to read others based on treatment of that slot.

What I should probably do is check some meta on Stick and Baker and DM, but I can't be bothered.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:57 pm nope, tired of being misunderstood and judged

Isn't that kinda the point of the game though?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:23 pm What I should probably do is check some meta on Stick and Baker and DM, but I can't be bothered.

I'm also too busy to do so.

I've done light skimming of the past hour or so. There's a weird resistance in these wagons.

Baker, stop vanity-voting Scotty.

If we're killing one of Stick or DM, drop a vote on who you think it should be.

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:06 pm in my first ever FM game someone said a good town can chop wolves on D1 and D2. then they referenced games from Achromatic, JaggedJimmyJay and MacDougall.

I guess we will never be that good xd~

Good/bad it's not that straightforward ever. It's about minimizing and maximizing capacity for town victory with what conditions we have.

LC/Abi have been here but have been semi Slanky.

Garebare and Robyn are just dead in the water.

Thread tension pulls you, Stick and DM to the forefront.

Out of these options the angle that I think gives town the best chance is the latter

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:31 pm
LC/Abi have been here but have been semi Slanky.

LC has at least dropped a vote.

Not sure if that's AI at all. Kinda mulling over a wolfy sense of obligation vs a towny dgaf.

I just skimmed DM and there's definitely evidence of their town range now.

The meta check on that slot I think is quick enough to do. Check out timelines where W DM was decently inactive and had seemingly less direction.
search.php?author_id=54&t=2587

I think the big difference is the process DM is taking towards Abi this game.

Maybe it's just me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:37 pm I just skimmed DM and there's definitely evidence of their town range now.

The meta check on that slot I think is quick enough to do. Check out timelines where W DM was decently inactive and had seemingly less direction.
search.php?author_id=54&t=2587

I think the big difference is the process DM is taking towards Abi this game.

Maybe it's just me.

You linked SVS' iso.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:31 pm
LC/Abi have been here but have been semi Slanky.

LC has at least dropped a vote.

Not sure if that's AI at all. Kinda mulling over a wolfy sense of obligation vs a towny dgaf.

Towny sense of obligation is the best I have. I do GAF, but I just don't have a handle on things. My focus has been on the other game, and I'm sorry to suck and make it harder.

Like, I'm not super sure and the DM wagon is informative at the least, but I Ted Lasso I flipped T DM when I knew they were town and I was correct. If I do it again I'll be kicking myself.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:37 pm I just skimmed DM and there's definitely evidence of their town range now.

The meta check on that slot I think is quick enough to do. Check out timelines where W DM was decently inactive and had seemingly less direction.
search.php?author_id=54&t=2587

I think the big difference is the process DM is taking towards Abi this game.

Maybe it's just me.

You linked SVS' iso.

Lol sorry, I what I get for multitabbing on phone:
search.php?author_id=1208&t=2587