Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[iaafr]

The thinker is distinguished from the believer only by believing much more than the latter, who on his part thinks of much less as signified by his faith (creed). The thinker has a thousand tenets of faith where the believer gets along with few; but the former brings coherence into his tenets, and takes the coherence in turn for the scale to estimate their worth by. If one or the other does not fit into his budget, he throws it out.

The thinkers run parallel to the believers in their pronouncements. Instead of “If it is from God you will not root it out,” the word is “If it is from the truth, is true, etc.”; instead of “Give God the glory”—“Give truth the glory.” But it is very much the same to me whether God or the truth wins; first and foremost I want to win.

[MacDougall]

im sorry macdougall i should've seen the light earlier

the ambient light of my farts

[iaafr]

wait do leetic and ilario have 2 separate votes

the functionality of the poll seems to suggest so

@leetic @ilario pls clarify

[iaafr]

why are illario and leetic on the same thingy? are they the same player?

We're some weird Masons/Double Voter combo

We share a post limit though, so I'll have to be at half capacity

oh right leetic mentioned this

[iaafr]

jay/lc/leetic/spf?

alright ill call it a night

59/100

[leetic]

I like NAA and dislike leetic in this interaction. NAA is having a joking around, while leetic continues to try to force a conversation with him, but I'm perceiving efforts to shade NAA for his antics than to actually engage him with a curious mind.

Yeah, I don't consider blatant attempts at gamethrowing to be "joking around". There isn't really any towny motivation in any of Axehole's posts and regardless of alignment their attitude stinks.

I like NAA and dislike leetic in this interaction. NAA is having a joking around, while leetic continues to try to force a conversation with him, but I'm perceiving efforts to shade NAA for his antics than to actually engage him with a curious mind.

though for what it's worth, this matches one of my perceptions on leetic that

idk, leetic's idea of towny and scummy is sort of surface level and level 1 feeling all the time, though i personally liked the way he townread me... but idk, if he's the scum archetype who likes to townread what they think they'd correctly townread when the articulatable reason comes up... idk

it's a playstyle i tend to scumread

i could easily see this take being a real and good take and yet i'm not even sure leetic's scum

Is there anything wrong with a "level 1" feeling read? It would be a fallacy to assume that just because a read is more complicated, it means that it must be more accurate. Regardless, self-voting is something that should always be discouraged and I don't see town doing it that often unless they get immensely frustrated.

@ilario if you are town i'm here to introduce the idea that you should be paranoid of your own slot

Part of our role is that we're confirmed town to each other (like masons). If me and ilario are of different alignments, then the game is bastard and the rules explicitly state that this isn't a bastard game.

Anyhow, I read LC, iaafr, nutella, JJJ, and cassandra as town, with Marmot and SPF being lean town, anne being null, and Nanook/Mac/Axehole being scummy. ilario largely agrees with me, though he has anne as town and JJJ as more null. Everyone else is too inactive for now.

I'll comment more on Nanook when he's here since I want to see his response. Mac's posts have all just been kind of lame and usually I see stronger pushes from him when he's playing as town. I think I've already said enough about Axehole.

[ilario]

Yeah I agree with leetics list mostly, anne would be higher up for me and I’m unsure on mac, macs had some
moments of towniness, especially with the way he’s handling my slot but I can still see him going either way. I think the dr guy is mafia just due to poe and I remember him having a post that pinged me very early on

[iaafr]

[VOTE: DrWIlgy] aubergine

how dare you townread me day 0

[MacDougall]

I think the optimal thing to do here is to chop Sloonei

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That's...yeah I'm willing to vote that.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Honestly if I don't come up with a good scumread I'm probably lobbying to yeet him no matter what.

You can't kill a 2-shot cop

Number one, roles are not necessarily tied to alignments here, number two, if you are town you just painted a massive target on your back, and number three, you picked a really inorganic time to claim

Like seriously, I'm not sure why you felt the need to do that

Wooosh (it's a joke)

The self voting doesn't make me like you either

I need to exaggerate the strength of my RVS wagon.

RVS? People are actually making reads now. Either you're not paying attention or you're not taking this seriously, and either way I don't like it.

"Either way I don't like it" if this doesn't describe most people's experience playing with star idk what does

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

the fact that illario was not immediately suspicious of the fact that he is one of my strongest townreads is probably the scummiest thing about him so far, but i refuse to expect our meta dynamic to play out in the exact same way every game. i'm going to #BreakTheCycle

Believe me, I was. But I held back because I wanted to conserve posts and because I was suspicious of your early tr on me in the last two turbos we played, so I ignored it and figured maybe your confidence in getting me right so early in those games carried over to how you’re reading me here.


Also to make sure this isn’t a total waste of a post I’m gonna post something now that I didn’t intend to plan on posting so early for thread health reasons but I may as well make this post count.

If town can’t find a elim we all agree on today we don’t shrugyeet a low poster, we yeet NAA. If there’s a vig in this setup and you’re unsure who to shoot, you shoot NAA. To explain why, I played one game with him and in that game:

-he antagonized the entire lobby
-shut down the town leaders due to his own personal reasons that weren’t game related
-forced a poe on everyone to follow that had 90% town in it
- refuses to explain a single read in his horrible poe
- scumread people for trying to question that terrible poe
- tried to speed up days by getting town speedyeeted for no reason
- after he finished doing all that he cemented his game throwing ways by self voting in lylo and letting mafia blitz him.

I thought maybe he was just having a bad time outside of the game and maybe that translated into his play that game and that was a one off for him bad game for him But I get a sinking feeling that’s not the case. Essentially what I’m saying is idc about his alignment, it’s always +ev to get rid of him if he refuses to work with the lobby before he gets a chance to hold the thread hostage like he did last time and I STRONGLY encourage any vig to shoot him because of it.

I have some bad news friend

[iaafr]

wait is naa starv

[iaafr]

if so lmfao

[MacDougall]

yep

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia

i don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jay

Cap lifts an hour before eod so I wouldn't really be taking myself off the table

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read

yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking

to be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclear

it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)

also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafia

i don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jay

Is Nanook trying to look good for some cute philosopher?


(I'm catching up now, but I had to ask)

I'm actually just focusing on self care rn but thank you for noticing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is it weird that I TR leetic and SR ilario :/

Give it time, he's a weird read for people playing with him for the first time.

Me and especially Marmot are not new to the jay experience lolol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

By the way since I'm townreading SPF, she has a good track of reading Nanook well so I'm fine with sheeping her townread there.

People keep saying this but its either not particularly true or you have very low standards

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i don't feel great about marmot either, the catchup takes just feel a bit forced and i think the NAA/leetic take in particular seems unnatural

I thought that was his most interesting take tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I like NAA and dislike leetic in this interaction. NAA is having a joking around, while leetic continues to try to force a conversation with him, but I'm perceiving efforts to shade NAA for his antics than to actually engage him with a curious mind.

Yeah, I don't consider blatant attempts at gamethrowing to be "joking around". There isn't really any towny motivation in any of Axehole's posts and regardless of alignment their attitude stinks.

I like NAA and dislike leetic in this interaction. NAA is having a joking around, while leetic continues to try to force a conversation with him, but I'm perceiving efforts to shade NAA for his antics than to actually engage him with a curious mind.

though for what it's worth, this matches one of my perceptions on leetic that

idk, leetic's idea of towny and scummy is sort of surface level and level 1 feeling all the time, though i personally liked the way he townread me... but idk, if he's the scum archetype who likes to townread what they think they'd correctly townread when the articulatable reason comes up... idk

it's a playstyle i tend to scumread

i could easily see this take being a real and good take and yet i'm not even sure leetic's scum

Is there anything wrong with a "level 1" feeling read? It would be a fallacy to assume that just because a read is more complicated, it means that it must be more accurate. Regardless, self-voting is something that should always be discouraged and I don't see town doing it that often unless they get immensely frustrated.

@ilario if you are town i'm here to introduce the idea that you should be paranoid of your own slot

Part of our role is that we're confirmed town to each other (like masons). If me and ilario are of different alignments, then the game is bastard and the rules explicitly state that this isn't a bastard game.

Anyhow, I read LC, iaafr, nutella, JJJ, and cassandra as town, with Marmot and SPF being lean town, anne being null, and Nanook/Mac/Axehole being scummy. ilario largely agrees with me, though he has anne as town and JJJ as more null. Everyone else is too inactive for now.

I'll comment more on Nanook when he's here since I want to see his response. Mac's posts have all just been kind of lame and usually I see stronger pushes from him when he's playing as town. I think I've already said enough about Axehole.

Comment on me daddy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is gonna be harder to accomplish if im posting by myself, but I believe that with my followers faith beneath my wings I shall indeed fly (up to my postcap)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Leetic better hurry i only have like 30 posts left

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Leetic better hurry i only have like 30 posts left

@leetic

[Lime Coke]

Is it weird that I TR leetic and SR ilario :/

Give it time, he's a weird read for people playing with him for the first time.

Me and especially Marmot are not new to the jay experience lolol

I was talking about reading Ilario.

Jay I'm still learning.

By the way since I'm townreading SPF, she has a good track of reading Nanook well so I'm fine with sheeping her townread there.

People keep saying this but its either not particularly true or you have very low standards

Shrugs

It's more compliment to her game than it is to insulting yours if I'm being honest here.

If I remember correctly I sheeped her townread on you during Deck Mafia 4, but DM5 I managed to townread you correctly off of your Day 1 before I got taken out of the game.

Spoiler: show

There might've been a third game I had you as town correctly in? I just don't remember off the top of my head.

While I have managed to get you as town correctly in the past few games in a row, you would be the type of player that I would end up misclearing seeing that I normally townread early activity.

Spoiler: show

See: My read on Scotty during Fortune of Lies

Like I get sheeping a read on a certain player might be bad to do in general, but whatever makes the game easier to solve helps me feel better about the game.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I didn't take it as an insult to my play at all, I just don't think she's actually that much above rand at reading me lol

I don't feel this is an important discussion point tbh, and I have zero problem with sheeped reads in general

[MacDougall]

I think Nanook is town here. Also think Lime Coke is town.

[leetic]

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

You're two players sharing the same slot how is that tmi lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also uh...for it to be tmi one of you woild have to be mafia?

[leetic]

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

You're two players sharing the same slot how is that tmi lol

For one, hydras typically don't have two votes

But I really should be conserving posts especially since my restriction is twice as strict as everyone else's so this really will be my last post for the night

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

You're two players sharing the same slot how is that tmi lol

For one, hydras typically don't have two votes

But I really should be conserving posts especially since my restriction is twice as strict as everyone else's so this really will be my last post for the night

And masons don't usually share a slot, whats your point

[MacDougall]

illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

They're closer to a hydra than a mason

Neither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI

TMI as in the host told Nanook? Big allegation.

[MacDougall]

I'd like to ask Sloonei to chime in here

[Master Radishes]

None of the conversations interest me so far.

[Lime Coke]

I'd like to ask Sloonei to chime in here

[MacDougall]

None of the conversations interest me so far.

I assume not enough fart chat.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm falling behind but I still believe in myself

[MacDougall]

belief is not gto

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk what gto means, im not a hip dude

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So who's excited for hawkeye

[NotAnAxehole]

I logged on to vote iaafr and I found that I was already voting iaafr, convenient.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is leetic accusing me of having tmi about their role in fact tmi that the mafia know their role, and thus they are mafia? Discuss

[NotAnAxehole]

Is leetic accusing me of having tmi about their role in fact tmi that the mafia know their role, and thus they are mafia? Discuss

Ooh I like this

[NotAnAxehole]

None of the conversations interest me so far.

I would try to remedy that but I'm trying to keep a low profile so that lime coke and Ilario forget that I exist can enjoy themselves.

Spoiler: show

I shouldn't have to wait too long for their deaths.

[NotAnAxehole]

the fact that illario was not immediately suspicious of the fact that he is one of my strongest townreads is probably the scummiest thing about him so far, but i refuse to expect our meta dynamic to play out in the exact same way every game. i'm going to #BreakTheCycle

Believe me, I was. But I held back because I wanted to conserve posts and because I was suspicious of your early tr on me in the last two turbos we played, so I ignored it and figured maybe your confidence in getting me right so early in those games carried over to how you’re reading me here.


Also to make sure this isn’t a total waste of a post I’m gonna post something now that I didn’t intend to plan on posting so early for thread health reasons but I may as well make this post count.

If town can’t find a elim we all agree on today we don’t shrugyeet a low poster, we yeet NAA. If there’s a vig in this setup and you’re unsure who to shoot, you shoot NAA. To explain why, I played one game with him and in that game:

-he antagonized the entire lobby
-shut down the town leaders due to his own personal reasons that weren’t game related
-forced a poe on everyone to follow that had 90% town in it
- refuses to explain a single read in his horrible poe
- scumread people for trying to question that terrible poe
- tried to speed up days by getting town speedyeeted for no reason
- after he finished doing all that he cemented his game throwing ways by self voting in lylo and letting mafia blitz him.

I thought maybe he was just having a bad time outside of the game and maybe that translated into his play that game and that was a one off for him bad game for him But I get a sinking feeling that’s not the case. Essentially what I’m saying is idc about his alignment, it’s always +ev to get rid of him if he refuses to work with the lobby before he gets a chance to hold the thread hostage like he did last time and I STRONGLY encourage any vig to shoot him because of it.

I have some bad news friend

In fairness to me, wait, I was abusing JJJ as much as possible that game, so I suppose this is right, but it was also funny.

[NotAnAxehole]

Is there a race to 100 or something?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Step forward and speaketh young paprika

[Marmot]

jay/lc/leetic/spf?

alright ill call it a night

59/100

Do you generally call mafia teams all the time? What's the method for it? These lists kinda feel random.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is there a race to 100 or something?

Yeah

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And by the grace of whatever gods are out there and the faith kf my subscribers I'm going to win even if I have to