Dizzy vs C4 - the Battle of the Century
3 flipped wolves, 12 interactions on both sides, and 6 heart-pounding matches! who will come out looking the best? who will take the crown? let’s find out!
ROUND 1: Dizzy and C4 vs KZA
C4:
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 68#p797968 - C4 mentions KZA for the first time when he says that KZA’s posting reminds him of the posting he saw from KZA in c4 when he was a villager. he subsequently puts KZA at his 4th tier from the bottom in his list of reads
Dizzy:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 83#p800083 - dizzy makes his first direct mention of KZA when he tries to summarize and understand the primary points against him. dizzy provides a summary of his perception of the “case” on KZA, and then says he feels that gavial has higher scum equity than KZA (this type of post makes me wish i could see the current votecount when the post was made)
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 85#p800085 - dizzy says not to chop KZA, calling him a “lame chop”
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 75#p800175 - dizzy continues to poke at bronana’s “case” on KZA being flawed, although he does not explicitly wolfread zack for it
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 11#p800211 - dizzy continues to poke at bronana’s case, and asks for other peoples thoughts on the exchange
THE VERDICT:
C4 wrote off KZA as a villager for a mildly questionable reason, and then positioned them in their readslist in a spot where wolves often put their LHF partners (not in the immediate POE, but slightly above it)
Dizzy did not provide his personal read on KZA (beyond suggesting that he should not be chopped on d1), and his interactions regarding KZA are more about Zack’s read than KZA himself. I don’t believe that Dizzy would have reasonably believed that he could have shifted the thread consensus in favor of KZA with the ~hour and a half that was left in the day.
Arguably, both of these interactions can be framed to look “bad”, but I feel that Dizzy comes out of this round looking better than c4.
WINNER: Dyslexicon
Round 2: KZA vs C4 and Dyslexicon
Dyslexicon - NO interactions
C4 - NO interactions, but it is worth mentioning that KZA made a post TMI’ing Alison as a villager that was playing off of c4’s initial wolfread on Alison. (
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 23#p798923)
The Verdict: Nope.
WINNER: It’s a draw! I’m including it here for posterity's sake.
Round 3: C4 and Dyslexicon vs Vulgard
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 42#p797542 - c4 says that Vulgard is always town, in conjunction with his read on Sunbae always being town
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 19#p797619 - c4 and vulgard have a fairly dry exchange about c4’s “godread” on me around this time. the conversation ends somewhat uneventfully on
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 24#p797628, although the two of them have a brief exchange about arete following that
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 22#p797822 - c4 brings attention to the fact that vulgard is wolfreading hally by saying that he needs to “check” what vulgard said about them
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 22#p797824 - c4 reiterates that vulgard is a villager when hally townreads him
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 68#p797968 - vulgard continues to be c4’s strongest townread, in conjunction with sunbae
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 74#p799574 - vulgard questions c4 about his townread on dya. Lol
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 49#p801149 - a couple of other names get added to c4’s strongest townreads, and c4 briefly pings vulgard to explain that he doesn’t understand his read on tangrowth (the conversation does not seem to go anywhere)
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 59#p802759 - c4 responds to vulgard’s “case” on him fairly lukewarmly - he seems unconcerned with vulgard’s read on him and provides a very brief rebuttal
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 05#p803705 - c4 reiterates his concerns about dyachei when vulgard asks him why he’s pre-flipping dyachei as a wolf. pretty boring interaction, and the exchange on
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 44#p803944 is equally bland.
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 88#p804988 - c4 immediately votes vulgard when sunbae CCs marluxion on d3. c4’s posts prior to this point were predicated on the belief that marluxion’s report was real and that he and marl were still villagers - the fact that c4 immediately shifts his suspicion toward vulgard, a player he had 100% townread up until this point, without knowing whether or not marluxion retracted, is very notable to me
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 10#p806610 - c4 hedges hard on vulgard’s alignment in this post, which is weird considering how confident he was that vulgard was “always” a villager prior to this point. why does c4, who often makes a point of pushing for his strongest reads, make no real attempt to figure out if vulgard is a wolf or not in this scenario? why does he not seem to care?
Dizzy:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 11#p798211 - dizzy responds to vulgard’s early townlean on him by providing some additional context about his wolfrange and about why he was taking a more laid-back approach on d1
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 58#p799658 - silly banter between the two of them in this post
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p803139 - the accuracy of this post is so astounding that i’m tempted to consider it being TMI. dizzy directly says that he feels that dyachei/vulgard might be teamed, and then calls that he will forget about this read but be proven correct in the future. that exact thing happened, lol
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 36#p803236 - dizzy explains the posts that made him tinfoil a vulgard/dyachei team to sunbae, and pokes at the way that vulgard talked about dya to suggest that they could be teamed
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p803639 - dizzy lists vulgard as a TR that he sponged
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 57#p803657 - dizzy questions vulgard about wanting to kill dya
dizzy has a very interesting series of posts when the marl/sunbae claim shenanigans happen tow ard the beginning of d3. dya enters the day by saying that he’s side-eyeing a vulgard/dya team and believes that it is possible
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 95#p805695
when dizzy learns about marl’s claim, he immediately begins aggressively pushing for a world where marl is a wolf -
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 30#p806330 and
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 34#p806334
dizzy promptly changes his mind when the mechanics get corrected around
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 23#p806423
if dizzy intended to come into d3 bussing both of his partners (vulgard/dya), then why immediately pivot to hardpushing on marl in the very next post? especially when dizzy would have known as a wolf that marl’s claim wasn’t real? dizzy’s trajectory at the beginning of d3 lacks an agenda-based mindset, and i think it’s indicative of him being a villager
The Verdict: c4 townread vulgard incredibly strongly early in the game (in conjunction w/his read on sunbae). c4 had multiple fairly dry exchanged with vulgard about their respective reads. c4 reacted to vulgard's wolfread on him fairly lukewarmly. c4 immediately turns on vulgard and votes him when sunbae claims his report, and then proceeds to hedge and refuse to take a stance on vulgard's alignment past that point
dizzy and vulgard had some fairly casual/vibrant interactions early on, dizzy was suspicious of vulgard being partnered with dya early on (although he continued to TR vulgard), dizzy came into d3 suspicious of vulgard again, but immediately began pushing for a world where vulgard was a villager until swiftly changing his mind when the mechanics got corrected
comparing the two of them side by side, dizzy clearly comes out looking better. i am put off by c4’s hedginess about vulgard’s alignment on d3 (and his quickness to vote vulgard), and all of his interactions with vulgard were fairly dry and non-descript. dizzy’s interactions with vulgard were more colorful by comparison, and the way that dizzy came into d3 preparing to push on vulgard only to be immediately swept into a world where vulgard was a villager strikes me as the progression of an unconfident villager
WINNER: Dizzy
Round 4: Vulgard vs Dyslexicon and C4
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 67#p797367 - vulgard implies that i am TMI’ing c4 as a villager by townreading him early on (although he specifically takes more issue with my townread on hally than my townread on c4, which may be telling)
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 08#p797408 - vulgard says that c4 has made no impression on him, and reiterates that i am townreading him too easily
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 43#p797443 - vulgard shades hally for not providing a read on c4
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 26#p797526 - vulgard weasels his way into townreading c4 by pretending to ISO him and saying that he can “see what other people are seeing”
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 16#p798116 - vulgard questions arete about their tr on c4
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 38#p799838 - vulgard puts c4 as a townlean
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 01#p802101 - vulgard pings c4 with a softball question
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 17#p802717 - this is quite the monster of a post. vulgard mostly pokes at c4’s progression on gavial, but his conclusion is significantly less spicy than the rest of the post. vulgard sound
s like he’s about to nail c4 at multiple points, but he ends up concluding “c4’s posts are fine besides that one”, which is a pretty hedgey stance for vulgard to take relative to how harsh his analysis seemed
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 09#p803609 - after all the theatrics about c4 being wolfy, vulgard puts c4 in his villager list with a question mark
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 26#p803626 - vulgard puts c4 in his “town with reservations” list
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 82#p803982 - vulgard says that c4 is a villager but that his “pov makes no sense sometimes”
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 94#p804894 - coming into d3, vulgard asks me if im still shielding c4
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 03#p805703 - vulgard attempts to deescalate the claim situation, notably emphasizing that he did not attempt to soft a red check on c4 at all
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p805727 - vulgard asks me for my “take” on c4, emphasizing that his d2 was abysmal. i think it’s telling that vulgard’s shade toward c4 only really came into fruition once vulgard was virtually an outed wolf
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 02#p805802 - notably,, this is the post where vulgard shifts to calling c4 a wolf and implying that he’s definitely scum
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 17#p805817 - i believe that vulgard was at least partially in anti-spew at this point, and i don’t feel particularly inclined to analyze anything that he’s saying here too hard. it is at least notable that vulgard constantly plays up the dynamic between c4 and myself and implies that a c4 wolf world increases my odds of being a wolf as well (which eventually shifts into vulgard outright saying that me/c4 are W/W)
dizzy -
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 26#p797526 - vulgard hedges on dizzy’s alignment early on and says that dizzy/KZA aren’t W/W
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 31#p798131 - vulgard says that he’s leaning on dizzy being V and goes out of his way to shade arete for their read on dizzy - it’s notable that this post was probably a maneuver to eventually pocket arete, and it’s interesting that dizzy is the player in the center of that
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 75#p798175 - vulgard continues to poke at arete’s read on dizzy
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 81#p798181 - vulgard says that dizzy is 100% a villager in a world where arete is a wolf
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 75#p799375 - vulgard subtly discredits alison’s townread on dizzy by arguing that his behavior re: gavial is NAI
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 15#p799415 - vulgard signal boosts marluxion’s read that dyslexicon/gavial were bussing each other
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 50#p799650 - vulgard says he likes dizzy’s recent posting more than before (which i think is funny, since vulgard townread dizzy confidently out of the gate on d1, and this progression is completely fake)
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 38#p799838 - vulgard townleans dizzy
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 11#p802111 - vulgard agrees with my point about dizzy being villagery
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 19#p802119 - vulgard agrees with dizzy’s take on KZA’s ISO
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 26#p803626 - puts dizzy on the “village” tier in this post and this post
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 09#p803609
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 65#p803565 - vulgard responds to dizzy’s tinfoil about him and dyachei being partnered - it’s notable that vulgard, who is usually a very long-winded player, is oddly terse with dizzy in this post. he is blunt and to the point and attempts to shoot down the idea without further conversation
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 42#p802942 - i dont think this means anything but im putting it here for posterity
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 82#p803982 - vulgard reacts to sunbae presenting his concerns about dizzy by “agreeing” with his points but still suggesting that dizzy is a villager. as an aside, the way that vulgard shoehorns c4’s name into this post is really awkward
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 02#p805802 - vulgard argues for dizzy being a villager in this post
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 55#p805855 - vulgard reiterates a confident townread on dizzy
THE VERDICT: vulgard's read on c4 mostly shifted with the thread consensus - townreading him when others townread him and shading him when others shaded him. he made a point of making a wallpost accusing c4 of being wolfy, but then hedged on c4's alignment and proceeded to treat him like a villager up until d3 - a point at which he suddenly shifted to c4 Definitely being a wolf
vulgard's read on dizzy was more out of line w/the thread consensus - he townleaned him very early on and used arete's early read on dizzy as a way to attack/gradually pocket arete. he comes around to townreading dizzy with near 100% confidence toward the end of d3
i think the micro is more notable than the macro here - i think that vulgard’s progression on dizzy, in a vacuum, tells me nothing about dizzy’s alignment, but there are some micro moments (like vulgard being weirdly terse with dizzy when dizzy called out a vulgard/dyachei wolfteam, vulgard defending dizzy at times that feel more like TMI than a wolf hard defending their partner) that push me into mildly liking vulgard’s interactions with dizzy
vulgard’s progression on c4 is questionable. he primarily sheeped whatever the thread consensus toward c4 was, and then he became very confident about c4 being a wolf toward the end of his life. notably, vulgard went out of his way to “case”/analyze c4, and pivoted back to townreading him/shielding him for the next couple of phases. it feels like vulgard, in general, was extremely hyperaware of c4’s position in the thread, and constantly played and wifomed around it
i would give an edge to dizzy here as well. this is starting to look like a blowout! let’s see if c4 can recover some points in the next two rounds
WINNER: Dizzy
ROUND 5: C4 and Dyslexicon VS Dyachei
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 04#p798204 - dizzy answers an early softball question from dyachei
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 69#p798669 - dizzy pings dyachei to ask what their read on him is (and asks them to expand on their read on alison)
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 93#p798693 - i think this post looks better for dizzy on dyachei’s side than on dizzy’s side, so i’ll reserve comment until i get to that round. that said, i like that dizzy prompts dyachei to answer his question about alison after dyachei didn’t answer it - it shows that dizzy had some level of investment in getting an answer, regardless of his alignment
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 11#p798711 - dizzy agrees with dya’s early point about alison being wolfy
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 80#p798780 - dizzy asks dyachei a cheeky question about who they’re being bussed by - dyachei notably does not respond to it
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 06#p799506 - this is a post i’d like dizzy to clarify a little bit - dizzy says that he didn’t get good feelings about dyachei during his exchange with them, but didn’t dizzy come out of their exchange agreeing with dyachei that alison was wolfy? if you agreed with dya’s read, then surely your impression of dya wasn’t entirely negative, right? what made you get bad vibes from dya at the time?
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 31#p799531 - dizzy reiterates his concern about dya based on hally’s read
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 41#p799541 - i kind of like that dizzy acknowledges the dissonance of agreeing with dya’s read on alison while still finding dya suspicious (although his attitude toward dya is lukewarm at best here)
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 32#p802832 - dizzy agrees that dya’s treatment of gavial/alison deserves further exploration, and remarks that he wants to ISO dya at some point. i hate posts like these but i dont know if i find them inherently wolfy
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 37#p802937 - …..hm. this post could point to dizzy being a villager because it involves a thought process that would be very difficult for a wolf to fake. ask me to expand on this point if i don’t do it myself
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p803139 - dizzy says that dya is null to them in this post
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p803639 - dizzy says that dya is one of their three non-townreads
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 44#p803644 - dizzy votes dyachei in this post. nice!
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 57#p803657 - here’s something interesting - dizzy joined the dyachei wagon when nutella and chloe had voted for dyachei back to back. upon seeing the wagon on dyachei grow significantly, vulgard said that he wanted to join the dyachei wagon. dizzy questions this, and asks him: “why?”. since vulgard was transparently trying to follow the thread momentum of dyachei, im not sure if dizzy would ask his wolf partner this question
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 05#p804205 - dizzy questions why dya does not seem thrilled by the alison wagon
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 32#p810632 - this was at a point where dya was basically doomed, so i’m not very interested in analyzing posts from this stage of the thread, but it is notable that dizzy put a fair amount of effort into ensuring the chop was steered onto dya (even though to my memory, it was still effectively a foregone conclusion)
c4-
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 77#p796677 - c4 answers dya’s early question about his read on me
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 80#p796780 - this is a post that’s been talked about at length already - c4 asks dya if they take criticism of their wolf game personally. i think this post is ultimately NAI
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 27#p797727 - c4 emphasizes that there’s virtually nothing to say about dya
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 68#p797968 - c4 puts dya in the upper null territory in his readslist
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 30#p798830 - c4 calls dya V for thinking that the wolfreads on them are unfair
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 74#p799574 - c4 reiterates that they don’t care about dya on d1
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 15#p799615 - c4 says that gavial flipping V would make dya V as well
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p800157v - c4 says that he doesn’t care about dya “unless seth flips green”. the wording of this post makes it sound like c4 is implying dya would be wolfier if gavial flipped green, but c4 said that gavial flipping green would point to dya being a villager, so is this just a very sloppy way for c4 to reiterate that he would townread dya if gavial flipped green?
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 77#p800177 - c4 questions dya about their townread on amy
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 49#p801149 - this is weird. this shift is weird. c4 has spent all game up until this point emphasizing that he doesn’t care about dya and that gavial flipping green would make dya a villager, but upon seeing gavial flip green, c4 puts dya at the BOTTOM of his readslist, and starts fairly aggressively pushing for them. why did c4 suddenly decide that gavial flipping green pointed to dya being a wolf when he previously thought the opposite? why is he suddenly seeing what he was unable to see on d1?
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 01#p801601 - c4 has an exchange with dya about his scumread on them. i will say that this is one of the c4 posts that i like the most
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 59#p802759 - c4 reiterates that dya is a wolf in this post
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 96#p803396 - c4 continues pushing on dya
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 03#p804103 - c4 shows his support for a wagon on dya
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 12#p804212 - dya/c4 have another interaction where c4 confidently declares that dya is a wolf
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 67#p804867 - votes dya instantly on d3, says that if he’s a wolf then he’s at least bussing
THE VERDICT:
dizzy asks dyachei some fairly pointed questions early on. dizzy agrees with dya that alison is wolfy, but still shows some mild reservation about dya. dizzy declares that dya is one of the few people they don't townread on d2 and votes for them shortly after
c4 village reads dya early on, and then puts them in upper null territory. c4 reiterates multiple times that they don't care about dya's alignment. c4 says that gavial flipping V would make dya V, and then proceeds to hard tunnel dya upon seeing gavial's V flip - confidently tunneling them and pushing on them in spite of having very little to say about them on d1. c4 has some mildly good looking interactions with dya in the middle of all of this
i really want c4 to get a win at this point, lol, but my hesitations about some of the early stuff he said/thought about dya means that dizzy comes out of this round looking a little better than c4, once again. i don’t actually think that dizzy’s interactions with dya are all that alignment indicative, but i don’t take specific issue with his progression (and there is actually a post or two i really like), whereas i find c4’s shift on dyachei a little contradictory and difficult to wrap my head around
WINNER: Dizzy
Round 6 (FINAL ROUND!!!!) Dyachei VS C4 and Dyslexicon
C4 -
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 82#p796682 - dya interrogates c4 about his read on me
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 50#p797550 - dya justifies their townread on amy to c4
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 02#p797802 - dya says that c4 is acting differently from CoV (with the implication that this makes c4 villagery)
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 54#p797854 - dya encourages sunbae to ISO c4 in CoV and compare their games
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 24#p798024 - dya shades c4 for ignoring their posts
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 25#p799525 - dya puts c4 as a village lean (SIDENOTE: if c4 is a villager, this means that every single read in this list is a read on a villager)
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 37#p800137 - brief exchange in this post. fairly softball
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p800165 - dya puts c4 as a villa lean again
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 86#p801486 - dya has a fairly aggressive interaction with c4 around this post, and seems perturbed by his logic
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 54#p801554 - interestingly, this exchange does not seem to change dya’s read on c4 at all, since they proceed to reiterate that c4 is probably V
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 52#p802652 - reiterates their V read on c4 to sunbae
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 95#p803295 - per sunbae’s request, dya ISOs c4 and pokes at his progression on me
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 77#p803377 - another brief exchange here and here
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 00#p803400
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 16#p803416 - dya reiterates that they are having “second thoughts” about c4
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p803965 - dya puts c4 second to bottom from their list of reads
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 77#p804177 - dya asks why im so confident that c4 is a villager
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 96#p804196 - dya interrogates c4 for a couple of posts
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 50#p805250 - reiterates that c4 is wolfy
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 59#p807059 - more shade on c4
dizzy:
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p798165 - dya asks dizzy a short question
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 84#p798684 - dya townreads dizzy quite a bit when dizzy asks for their read on him. notably, dya doesn’t answer dizzy’s question about alison here, and only does so when prompted again by dizzy on
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 02#p798702
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p800165 - dya puts dizzy in the “dont know what to do with” tier
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 04#p804204 - dya answers one of dizzy’s questions about the gamestate feeling stagnant
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 65#p803965 - dya puts dizzy 4th from the bottom of their readslist
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 79#p806379 - this is an interaction in this game
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 22#p808022 - dya presents a reason for why dizzy/vulgard probably arent teamed. the reasoning in this post is just outright incorrect - dizzy had pushed fairly aggressively for marl to be chopped over vulgard, and i wonder if dya would misremember the stuff that their own partner did to such a significant extent. sloppy read? maybe, but i find it notable that dya starts lolcatting after this exchange
THE VERDICT: dya interrogated c4 early on, and then went out of their way to bring attention to the fact that c4 was acting differently from CoV. dya shades c4 but continues to townread him regardless until the middleish of d2, at which point their read on c4 does a fairly significant shift. dya continues being suspicious of c4 until they die.
dya townread dizzy early on but then later put them in the "dont know what to do with tier", dya continued to put dizzy in the lower bottom tier while not really talking to him or referencing him much at all. dya argues that vulgard/dizzy aren't teamed for a reason based on stuff that did not happen in the game
you know what? out of the kindness of my own heart, i’ll give this one to c4. dya’s interactions with dizzy are fairly non-descript and dya put dizzy in a position that’s typical for partners, whereas dya’s interactions with c4 were more passionate and have a lot more moving parts
i dont actually think that this points to c4 being a villager though - i honestly feel like dya might put more effort into trying to distance from dizzy instead of just lazily writing him off as a villager while still keeping him in their POE, and i also feel like the early exchange where dya didn’t respond to dizzy’s question about alison looked kinda good for dizzy
WINNER: c4
The Results:
Dizzy: 4 wins
C4: 1 win
Draws: 1