The Syndicate

BATMAN

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:18 pm There is contradicting stories between what LongCon claimed and Sloonei is saying here.

@Long Con did you send the vest to Sloonei?

This is not necessarily true. I assumed that I still have the vest because I have not been told explicitly that I do not have it.
I have since been informed that I would not actually be informed if it was spent.

Seanzie literally woke me from a beautiful dream with some telepathic bat signal and nobody cares.

We need to not jump to assumptions about mechanical contradictions so freely.

LC hook us up with a vest bruh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:21 pm We need to not jump to assumptions about mechanical contradictions so freely.

but they're so cool and hip and fresh

Kito must have died because he scumread someone who was not scumread generally, because who kills a fruit vendor?

No, Kito had to be real threat that compelled scum to kill him him/her before Kito developed that read and nailed them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:15 pm I do not play many games that feature bulletproof vests, but my impression has always been that the wearer is informed if and when it is spent. That seems like crucial information for a player to have.

Regardless, if you believe that I am lying then it means the mafia team attempted to kill me on Night 1.

This is a better answer, and gives me some pause. I am not sure what I think of you yet, but I don't feel as good about the game today as I did yesterday.

My worry is that you knew you still had the BP vest because you know who the mafia team attempted to kill N1.

Why do you feel less good about the game? It feels like it is going exceptionally well to me.

Sure, but my spidey sense is tingling like crazy. I'm not like "oh, actually town is totally losing" worried, I'm more like "I get the feeling that there are wolf plans that are being executed that town is falling into" worried.

I'm worried about the fact that there are many super strong players that normally are early game kills that aren't getting killed. Sure, we had a shot blocked, and if we believe JJJ, then there was a weird kill attempt targeted at JJJ... BUT... the more I think about that weird kill attempt, the less I like it.

So, {JJJ, Sloonei, Mac}, if all 3 of these are town, any reasonable wolf team would need to kill some of them off as quickly as possible. Lets assume for a second they are all town, and lets see how the wolves have responded:

N1: Something happened to the standard NK, JJJ and Gav were cupidized. We can assume the NK was supposed to hit on this pool, so I guess that makes sense, but why would they cupidize JJJ and Gav? The more I think about it, the more it doesn't make sense based on JJJ's explanation. The idea was that JJJ was supposed to get killed because Gav is a loose cannon? I guess maybe they were hoping for two kills, but honestly the second kill being Gav makes 0 sense from a wolf perspective since Gav is usually good to have around (Gav did make a comment I saw that made him look possibly like RB D1, but even then idk if this is a good enough reason to do this). Instead, if the cupid was a guaranteed 1 kill, possibly 2 kills, why wouldn't they do something like put JJJ/Mac in a room together, and shoot Sloonei? at least that way, one of the strong players would be guaranteed to be dead, and there would still be a chance that both JJJ and Mac would be.

N2: They presumably shot Kito. Now, don't get me wrong, Kito is not a weak player, and he was looking pretty townie, but I don't see this taking precedence over the town leaders.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:45 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 pm @JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

LongCon, look, I've entertained the idea he is, you are not alone in this, but I've also entertained you are.

In JJJ's wolf world, who could be his teammates?

Well, enjoy your fantasy, it's not going to last much longer. I don't know who JJJ's teammates would be.

Why do you say that? You talk as if you are not going to be saved. Why are you so certain?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:22 pm LC hook us up with a vest bruh

Can't, dude. Dyin'.

Oops extra leftover quote there, ignore.

im no leader Seanzie

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:21 pm Seanzie literally woke me from a beautiful dream with some telepathic bat signal and nobody cares.

The gifts granted by the golden zone of drunkenness are mysterious and far-reaching.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:29 pm im no leader Seanzie

leader, feared townie, whatever. Either way, you're someone somebody would kill just for being you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:29 pm im no leader Seanzie

leader, feared townie, whatever. Either way, you're someone somebody would kill just for being you.

I agree.

Macdougall

I now think it is possible I was the night 1 target. If true, my survival might have scared the mafia team off from attempting it a second time.

I do not think Jay agrees to a plan that pits him and gavial together in cupid's den. And that sort of situation is not the sort of overt lie I think he makes up if he is mafia. I believe his version of events right now.

I do not have an outright justification for Mac being alive as town, but I don't feel like I need one.

Kito was a claimed town power role that is very easy to verify and that has (I think?) at least a relatively helpful ability. I'm unclear on what exactly a "gift vendor" is, but I assume it hands out various 1-shot items (I've always referred to that type of role as an "inventor" and I'm not sure if there's a distinction between the two). That's a good role.

This mafia team has lost two members on each of the first two days AND they failed to execute their first nightkill. If the poisoner is theirs, that has failed to deliver them a kill as well, though it appears likely it'll be successful today.
This is all to say that I don't think the mafia team is feeling particularly confident about their place in this game right now. Sure it is possible there's a "deepwolf" in there, but even if this is the case, they are close to being stranded if they are not there already. My impression is the town has done an excellent job at coming together and is squeezing the mafia team out of the game.

Idk, maybe I'm just being paranoid (and maybe that's what the wolves wanted). I'mma go drink a bubbly water in the shower and think about it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:38 pm I now think it is possible I was the night 1 target. If true, my survival might have scared the mafia team off from attempting it a second time.

I do not think Jay agrees to a plan that pits him and gavial together in cupid's den. And that sort of situation is not the sort of overt lie I think he makes up if he is mafia. I believe his version of events right now.

I do not have an outright justification for Mac being alive as town, but I don't feel like I need one.

Kito was a claimed town power role that is very easy to verify and that has (I think?) at least a relatively helpful ability. I'm unclear on what exactly a "gift vendor" is, but I assume it hands out various 1-shot items (I've always referred to that type of role as an "inventor" and I'm not sure if there's a distinction between the two). That's a good role.

This mafia team has lost two members on each of the first two days AND they failed to execute their first nightkill. If the poisoner is theirs, that has failed to deliver them a kill as well, though it appears likely it'll be successful today.
This is all to say that I don't think the mafia team is feeling particularly confident about their place in this game right now. Sure it is possible there's a "deepwolf" in there, but even if this is the case, they are close to being stranded if they are not there already. My impression is the town has done an excellent job at coming together and is squeezing the mafia team out of the game.

I see, so you are not mechanical savyy then?

Because fruit vendors dont give out important items, they just give useless stuff. I can confirm that the chocolates Kito gave me are useless.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:38 pm I now think it is possible I was the night 1 target. If true, my survival might have scared the mafia team off from attempting it a second time.

I do not think Jay agrees to a plan that pits him and gavial together in cupid's den. And that sort of situation is not the sort of overt lie I think he makes up if he is mafia. I believe his version of events right now.

I do not have an outright justification for Mac being alive as town, but I don't feel like I need one.

Kito was a claimed town power role that is very easy to verify and that has (I think?) at least a relatively helpful ability. I'm unclear on what exactly a "gift vendor" is, but I assume it hands out various 1-shot items (I've always referred to that type of role as an "inventor" and I'm not sure if there's a distinction between the two). That's a good role.

This mafia team has lost two members on each of the first two days AND they failed to execute their first nightkill. If the poisoner is theirs, that has failed to deliver them a kill as well, though it appears likely it'll be successful today.
This is all to say that I don't think the mafia team is feeling particularly confident about their place in this game right now. Sure it is possible there's a "deepwolf" in there, but even if this is the case, they are close to being stranded if they are not there already. My impression is the town has done an excellent job at coming together and is squeezing the mafia team out of the game.

I see, so you are not mechanical savyy then?

Because fruit vendors dont give out important items, they just give useless stuff. I can confirm that the chocolates Kito gave me are useless.

I just don't know what every piece of terminology means. Names of roles have appeared in this game that I am not accustomed to. "Gift vendor" and "cupid".

And also not being informed when a bulletproof vest is spent as the standard is not aligned with my past experience.

Call it community differences, not lack of mechanical awareness.

Fwiw kito referred to his actions as gifts which usually implies the recipient can do something with those gifts, entirely possible mafia made the mistake of seeing gift giver claim and not realizing the gifts are meaningless flavor

In fact I think this is maybe even likely given owner's fake claim was built around that idea

My vest was a gift.

You were the first one to suggest giving me a pass until day 4, or at least to suggest letting me be assumed town. So I gifted you my vest item gift.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:12 pm You were the first one to suggest giving me a pass until day 4, or at least to suggest letting me be assumed town. So I gifted you my vest item gift.

I believe that you would gift me more readily than I believed that Owner might have gifted me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:12 pm You were the first one to suggest giving me a pass until day 4, or at least to suggest letting me be assumed town. So I gifted you my vest item gift.

I believe that you would gift me more readily than I believed that Owner might have gifted me.

I forget why you are bringing up Owner.

I wish we had a hammer

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:12 pm You were the first one to suggest giving me a pass until day 4, or at least to suggest letting me be assumed town. So I gifted you my vest item gift.

I believe that you would gift me more readily than I believed that Owner might have gifted me.

I forget why you are bringing up Owner.

My claim of receiving the gift was scrutinized when I brought it up yesterday in part because I said I did not believe Owner would have chosen me as her target for this item.

Shower bubbly water did not grant me magical scum-finding abilities, but I do think I can say more about why I am worried.

Town definitely looks good right now, we are doing very well by any measure. However, the game is very far from over, we don't have it in the bag in any way, shape or form. I am worried that we are being lulled into a bit of a false sense of security by our leaders, wither intentional or not, because how we lose a game like this is that we go into autopilot and just kind of assume things will continue to go well.

Especially for those who are town but are in the PoE and/or not contributing much, this is a great time to step up. Scum will be targeting you for mislunches as we move forward, and you need to start working NOW to stop that from happening. The game is not over, the game is not a clear town win. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Please, come, prove yourself town, or even just help us find the remaining scum. @Made, @MartinGG99 @Allcrab, @Garden Gnome, @lost monkey @bad bunny @Dana, I'm looking at you. Also @orangecrush, even though I get you just joined. This is where scum's ML's are going to come from, so those of you in this pile that are town, PLEASE PLEASE come participate more. Either show yourself as town, or at least make it so the wolves have to work/out themselves to get you mislunched.

If it calms your tinfoil at all Seanzie, I tried to awaken many of those POE names last night with my spam tagging for much the same reason — to encourage them toward a more solvable state.

I am not experiencing the same unseen worries you describe, because I do play that way or think that way. It does me no good personally. But it’s absolutely true that town should not become complacent and fart through the game. I’ve been trying to promote that, and at least this Day 3 has gotten a little better.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:35 pm If it calms your tinfoil at all Seanzie, I tried to awaken many of those POE names last night with my spam tagging for much the same reason — to encourage them toward a more solvable state.

I am not experiencing the same unseen worries you describe, because I do play that way or think that way. It does me no good personally. But it’s absolutely true that town should not become complacent and fart through the game. I’ve been trying to promote that, and at least this Day 3 has gotten a little better.

Are you looking to get some kind of cred or approval from seanzie here?

I’m looking to calm errant JJJ tinfoil before it eats the thread alive. I’ve had bad experiences. We’re okay for now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:26 pm@Made, @MartinGG99 @Allcrab, @Garden Gnome, @lost monkey @bad bunny @Dana, I'm looking at you. Also @orangecrush, even though I get you just joined. This is where scum's ML's are going to come from, so those of you in this pile that are town, PLEASE PLEASE come participate more. Either show yourself as town, or at least make it so the wolves have to work/out themselves to get you mislunched.

I'm confused.

Do you think Hawk is going to flip as a town healer and somehow prove I didn't heal Alison, even though I claimed it first solely for the purpose of warning Long Con because I think there's only one healer in the game?

If hawk doesn't flip town healer then there should be 0 reason to even suspect me unless there's another healer claim in the future.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:17 pm I wish we had a hammer

I wish i had a day vig shot.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:33 am Owner is town here for me. Scum owner wouldn't play in a way its get her lynched this easily. She is being too blunt and too shady to be scum here.

can you elaborate on this read you had of Owner please with some examples?

apologis if you already did this im just quoting as i read up now

@orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:11 am Feedback requested:

Is lost monkey's read on Owner TMI

what is the TMI this seems kinda weak if its what i think it is so hoping im missing something

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:11 am Feedback requested:

Is lost monkey's read on Owner TMI

what is the TMI this seems kinda weak if its what i think it is so hoping im missing something

It’s moot now. I may have revisited that had Owner been town. That’s something I will consider any time a player gives a very against the grain town read.

“hoping im missing something” is a ping

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm “hoping im missing something” is a ping

i am hoping that i a missing something becaues i dont think your suggestion that this was tmi is very good at all. this seems like you are just shading someone for having a ready that is diferent to other but actually that is often a towny thing to do as scum doesn't want to be standing out like that.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm “hoping im missing something” is a ping

i am hoping that i a missing something becaues i dont think your suggestion that this was tmi is very good at all. this seems like you are just shading someone for having a ready that is diferent to other but actually that is often a towny thing to do as scum doesn't want to be standing out like that.

It was an accusation destined to become meaningless the moment Owner flipped. That has no actual value as “shade” if I am mafia.

You’re shading me though, and at an opportune time given the recent flavor of the game.

OC is mafia.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm @orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:20 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm “hoping im missing something” is a ping

i am hoping that i a missing something becaues i dont think your suggestion that this was tmi is very good at all. this seems like you are just shading someone for having a ready that is diferent to other but actually that is often a towny thing to do as scum doesn't want to be standing out like that.

It was an accusation destined to become meaningless the moment Owner flipped. That has no actual value as “shade” if I am mafia.

You’re shading me though, and at an opportune time given the recent flavor of the game.

OC is mafia.

im not shading you at all, im directly adressiyou with a concern over a post you made, where is shade?

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm @orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

also Seansie i am town reading you i have felt good about our interactions up to now

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:28 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm @orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

also Seansie i am town reading you i have felt good about our interactions up to now

That's a pretty fine looking pocket you're holding open for me there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:20 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm “hoping im missing something” is a ping

i am hoping that i a missing something becaues i dont think your suggestion that this was tmi is very good at all. this seems like you are just shading someone for having a ready that is diferent to other but actually that is often a towny thing to do as scum doesn't want to be standing out like that.

It was an accusation destined to become meaningless the moment Owner flipped. That has no actual value as “shade” if I am mafia.

You’re shading me though, and at an opportune time given the recent flavor of the game.

OC is mafia.

Disagree

MacDougall

Is Mac just mafia?

What is the case on Hawk, aside from the Gav!block?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Orange] aubergine
[VOTE: Hawk] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:20 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm “hoping im missing something” is a ping

i am hoping that i a missing something becaues i dont think your suggestion that this was tmi is very good at all. this seems like you are just shading someone for having a ready that is diferent to other but actually that is often a towny thing to do as scum doesn't want to be standing out like that.

It was an accusation destined to become meaningless the moment Owner flipped. That has no actual value as “shade” if I am mafia.

You’re shading me though, and at an opportune time given the recent flavor of the game.

OC is mafia.

Disagree

You just might be right!