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Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:02 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:00 pm I have no opinion,I just posted that because I was waiting to see who would jump off the Eloh wagon first.

I did.

I would also caution all the kids listening out there to not jump out of a moving vehicle. It’s not safe.

You might cause damage to an unsuspecting chipmunk or mallard on the side of the road.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:14 pm**

LoRab gets Botd for busy claims. But there's a bunch of those about.

Kate goes to town after an ISO, but I'm not a fan of limming Scotty today. Think he's town now.

Golden and Sloonei on P5 stick out to me somewhat. Golden for townread on Fingersplints after dropping a vote on Sloonei. Sloonei for quickly dropping a few posts after Finger did that.
Mostly though I get associative vibes around there, maybe cause they didn't interact with each other much.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:15 pm**

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Consider this a delayed Omgus if you will

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:16 pm**

Hello! Had a busy morning, but I have a quick read I want to do. I will report back when I complete it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:18 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:48 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*
Why are you licking people?
Why aren't you?

Consent matters

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:22 pm**

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:22 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:15 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Consider this a delayed Omgus if you will

Oh, this is interesting.

Didn’t you call me town when we last interacted. What has changed?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 am I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
Why is opening with a quote suspicious?
It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)

Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:24 pm**

I rarely vote based on gut, but I am really getting bad vibes from Sloonei. He started the suspicion on sig, but otherwise almost all of his posts have been very short, jokey, and dismissive. To me it reads like overconfidence, which I tend to associate with the mafia, since they have teammates backing them up and are always patting each other on the back about how devious they are. I've also used this tactic myself when bad as a way of resounding to suspicion without seeming defensive. I really don't have any hard evidence to go on, but I do have a list of people I definitely won't vote for today.

That list includes:
Scotty (strong civ read)
Fingersplints (strong civ read)
Elohcin (I'm granting her request for a Day 1 pass, because she's right, she does often get lynched early when civil, and it sucks.)

So, with that in mind I'm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:29 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:24 pm I rarely vote based on gut, but I am really getting bad vibes from Sloonei. He started the suspicion on sig, but otherwise almost all of his posts have been very short, jokey, and dismissive. To me it reads like overconfidence, which I tend to associate with the mafia, since they have teammates backing them up and are always patting each other on the back about how devious they are. I've also used this tactic myself when bad as a way of resounding to suspicion without seeming defensive. I really don't have any hard evidence to go on, but I do have a list of people I definitely won't vote for today.

That list includes:
Scotty (strong civ read)
Fingersplints (strong civ read)
Elohcin (I'm granting her request for a Day 1 pass, because she's right, she does often get lynched early when civil, and it sucks.)

So, with that in mind I'm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

You’ve completely misread my energy and I reject outright the notion that I “started the suspicion on sig.”.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:30 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:29 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:24 pm I rarely vote based on gut, but I am really getting bad vibes from Sloonei. He started the suspicion on sig, but otherwise almost all of his posts have been very short, jokey, and dismissive. To me it reads like overconfidence, which I tend to associate with the mafia, since they have teammates backing them up and are always patting each other on the back about how devious they are. I've also used this tactic myself when bad as a way of resounding to suspicion without seeming defensive. I really don't have any hard evidence to go on, but I do have a list of people I definitely won't vote for today.

That list includes:
Scotty (strong civ read)
Fingersplints (strong civ read)
Elohcin (I'm granting her request for a Day 1 pass, because she's right, she does often get lynched early when civil, and it sucks.)

So, with that in mind I'm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
You’ve completely misread my energy and I reject outright the notion that I “started the suspicion on sig.”.

Entirely possible. The day isn't over and I may yet change my vote, but I don't trust you.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:32 pm**

And I also reject that all of my posts have been “jokey”.
See: My interactions with vivax, plus several other isolated moments if sincerity. I will happily talk about the contents of my posts.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:34 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:14 pm LoRab gets Botd for busy claims. But there's a bunch of those about.

Kate goes to town after an ISO, but I'm not a fan of limming Scotty today. Think he's town now.

Golden and Sloonei on P5 stick out to me somewhat. Golden for townread on Fingersplints after dropping a vote on Sloonei. Sloonei for quickly dropping a few posts after Finger did that.
Mostly though I get associative vibes around there, maybe cause they didn't interact with each other much.

My townread on splints was not because she voted Sloonei (although her voting someone to, as you say, put the screws on was part of it). It was a tone read, she made three posts in a row that all gave me 'town splints' vibes.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:35 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:22 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:15 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Consider this a delayed Omgus if you will
Oh, this is interesting.

Didn’t you call me town when we last interacted. What has changed?

Llama summed it up well in my opinion, and his own reasons.

I'd add that you considered it townie when Fingersplints voted you on page 5 ? Or at least that's the timing of your townread.
You're quick to jump when mentioned, or so it appears. Reactive.

Some more:

To me it looks like you ask questions and comment on things in a detached way around P5-6.
The question to Elohcin about what a town player acts like had a token question note to it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:26 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:24 pm We're not killing mafia today.
Is this a comment on the state of the game or a strategic suggestion?

This is just a troll question. Funny if you and axe were a team.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:36 pm**

Also, re sloonei, the most I've felt about him so far was surprise when DH did his iso and there were more than 40 posts in it. I'd have imagined he'd posted about 15.

But, also, this is role madness with role hinting and perhaps I haven't paid enough attention to Sloonei but I have him tentatively on my metaphorical spreadsheet as a particular civ role already.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:36 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:21 pm
Eloh jumped off a sig suspicion after a couple of people town read him. I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but I would characterise Eloh’s game so far as agreeable.

I'm SO OVER explaining myself for this action.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:01 am I assumed incorrectly that "Triggered Events" were roles.

He misinterpreted the roles. Get him! He MUST be bad.

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I'm in information overload. If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'm going to take notes as I read and keep some sort of spreadsheet. As for today, I'll be voting to save myself b/c the only thing I'm sure about is I'm town.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:37 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:22 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:15 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Consider this a delayed Omgus if you will
Oh, this is interesting.

Didn’t you call me town when we last interacted. What has changed?
Llama summed it up well in my opinion, and his own reasons.

I'd add that you considered it townie when Fingersplints voted you on page 5 ? Or at least that's the timing of your townread.
You're quick to jump when mentioned, or so it appears. Reactive.

Some more:

To me it looks like you ask questions and comment on things in a detached way around P5-6.
The question to Elohcin about what a town player acts like had a token question note to it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:26 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:24 pm We're not killing mafia today.
Is this a comment on the state of the game or a strategic suggestion?
This is just a troll question. Funny if you and axe were a team.

I’m just vain.

The “troll question” was meant as a joke. All of my posts should he read as jokey.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:39 pm**

I reqs fingersplints as town because she invoked the Mafia Champion and pleaded for him to make his presence felt. That is not something a member of the mafia team needs to do.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:39 pm**

Reqs = read

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:40 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:39 pm I reqs fingersplints as town because she invoked the Mafia Champion and pleaded for him to make his presence felt. That is not something a member of the mafia team needs to do.

Well to be fair she only did it to one Mafia Champion and I feel slighted. I beat sub Sloonei once.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:42 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:39 pm I reqs fingersplints as town because she invoked the Mafia Champion and pleaded for him to make his presence felt. That is not something a member of the mafia team needs to do.
Well to be fair she only did it to one Mafia Champion and I feel slighted. I beat sub Sloonei once.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:42 pm**

If you want to be taken seriously, now's the time.

Mostly interested into your takes on Bea, Eloh, Golden. The latter had a period of regular relaxed posting that briefly flashed town to me, but again something felt off on P5 on my latest reread.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:32 pm And I also reject that all of my posts have been “jokey”.
See: My interactions with vivax, plus several other isolated moments if sincerity. I will happily talk about the contents of my posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:37 pm The “troll question” was meant as a joke. All of my posts should he read as jokey.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:44 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:32 pm And I also reject that all of my posts have been “jokey”.
See: My interactions with vivax, plus several other isolated moments if sincerity. I will happily talk about the contents of my posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:37 pm The “troll question” was meant as a joke. All of my posts should he read as jokey.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:48 pm**

What is P5 (other than my son's Christmas wish list, he's going to be disappointed).

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:50 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:42 pm If you want to be taken seriously, now's the time.

Mostly interested into your takes on Bea, Eloh, Golden. The latter had a period of regular relaxed posting that briefly flashed town to me, but again something felt off on P5 on my latest reread.

I do not need to be taken seriously. I just prefer not to be misread.

All three of the players you ask about are returning after very long layoffs/retirements from mafia. So I am content to give each of them time to settle in.

Bea gets a light town read because she seemed genuinely intent on getting involved and talking about the game when we interacted yesterday.

Eloh’s early responses to initial pressure looked a bit fidgety, but I had no interest in piling on in case that was just an exasperated reaction to being slapped in the face with heavy suspicion on her first day back in a game in five years.

Golden looks town, feels town, and smells town. He has yet to do anything that clears him from his potential range ad mafia, even after a long layoff, but he has also done nothing which compels me to consider him a suspect.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:50 pm**

Sorry. Page 5.

On a bea reread, 'The Doctor' cat appears almost professionally casual.
Guess that's one way of putting on a pokerface.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:52 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:50 pm Sorry. Page 5.

On a bea reread, 'The Doctor' cat appears almost professionally casual.
Guess that's one way of putting on a pokerface.

(Oops, I thought it was some newfangled mafia term)

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:52 pm**

Forgot to definitively state my stance on Eloh: I currently have her as a suspect.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:53 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:50 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:42 pm If you want to be taken seriously, now's the time.

Mostly interested into your takes on Bea, Eloh, Golden. The latter had a period of regular relaxed posting that briefly flashed town to me, but again something felt off on P5 on my latest reread.
I do not need to be taken seriously. I just prefer not to be misread.

All three of the players you ask about are returning after very long layoffs/retirements from mafia. So I am content to give each of them time to settle in.

Bea gets a light town read because she seemed genuinely intent on getting involved and talking about the game when we interacted yesterday.

Eloh’s early responses to initial pressure looked a bit fidgety, but I had no interest in piling on in case that was just an exasperated reaction to being slapped in the face with heavy suspicion on her first day back in a game in five years.

Golden looks town, feels town, and smells town. He has yet to do anything that clears him from his potential range ad mafia, even after a long layoff, but he has also done nothing which compels me to consider him a suspect.

For what it's worth, I agree with all of these reads.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm**

@Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?

I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:59 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?
I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.

Are you really nullbinning LoRab?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:02 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:59 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?
I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.
Are you really nullbinning LoRab?

No, I'm the mafia you are voting making it up

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:04 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:02 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:59 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?
I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.
Are you really nullbinning LoRab?
No, I'm the mafia you are voting making it up

I assume that's sarcasm.

I ask because you voted her, and that vote came across as a genuine read to me. I'd like to know if it was a read, or just a 'pressure vote'.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:11 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:04 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:02 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:59 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?
I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.
Are you really nullbinning LoRab?
No, I'm the mafia you are voting making it up
I assume that's sarcasm.

I ask because you voted her, and that vote came across as a genuine read to me. I'd like to know if it was a read, or just a 'pressure vote'.

You assumed well.

Sometimes I don't like questions that lead me to repeat myself.
LoRab vote was a whiff for the question to Scotty, suppose that's gotten back in my priority list while rereading and changing my perspective. A whiff from someone who was posting very little, so the vote wasn't undeserved.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?

This post reads 'mildly accusing' in a rather timid way.

Do you think that should be scumbinned, Sloonei?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:12 pm**

I have no strong feelings one way or another.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:24 pm**

Sorry, what does [x]binned mean?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:29 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:24 pm Sorry, what does [x]binned mean?

Every time I make a new read I write it down and throw it into a coloured bin.
When it's scumreads they go onto the dartboard

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:39 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:24 pm Sorry, what does [x]binned mean?
Every time I make a new read I write it down and throw it into a coloured bin.
When it's scumreads they go onto the dartboard

Oh cool,

Like a rainbow list?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:46 pm**

All of the people voting for Sloonei are in my townleans. That’s probably a good sign

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:48 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:36 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:21 pm
Eloh jumped off a sig suspicion after a couple of people town read him. I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but I would characterise Eloh’s game so far as agreeable.
I'm SO OVER explaining myself for this action.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:01 am I assumed incorrectly that "Triggered Events" were roles.

He misinterpreted the roles. Get him! He MUST be bad.

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I'm in information overload. If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'm going to take notes as I read and keep some sort of spreadsheet. As for today, I'll be voting to save myself b/c the only thing I'm sure about is I'm town.

Who’s bad?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:50 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:46 pm All of the people voting for Sloonei are in my townleans. That’s probably a good sign

What is Scotty’s read on Sloonei in this game?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:58 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:46 pm All of the people voting for Sloonei are in my townleans. That’s probably a good sign
What is Scotty’s read on Sloonei in this game?

You are a doorman.

Sloonei seems a bit guarded, or at least merely cordial, if that makes sense. His reads haven’t been lacking, but they’re just a bit bland. It’s like the doorman to a fancy hotel holding the door for me, asking how my day has been. I tersely answer “fine,” and then he asks if I watched the Yankees lose the other day; I laugh something non-committal about not being into sports (when in reality I’m all about baseball) as I try fruitlessly to edge towards the elevator. That’s what it is, it feels like small talk. It just feels to me that he’s just sort of…here.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:01 pm**

As an addendum: I appreciated you expressing your reads in the past couple pages- I can more easily see your headspace. I just hate how long it took you to get there. It’s almost like your reads were a response to pressure as opposed to making organic reads.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:08 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:01 pm As an addendum: I appreciated you expressing your reads in the past couple pages- I can more easily see your headspace. I just hate how long it took you to get there. It’s almost like your reads were a response to pressure as opposed to making organic reads.

I am simply in no hurry.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:11 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:39 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:24 pm Sorry, what does [x]binned mean?
Every time I make a new read I write it down and throw it into a coloured bin.
When it's scumreads they go onto the dartboard
Oh cool,

Like a rainbow list?

I don't think the average D1 accuracy warrants a rainbow list.
But yes, just a mental concept anyways to x-bin people. The expression must have been invented from someone at HR.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:13 pm**

CURRENT VOTE TOTAL as of ~4 hours until end of day 1:

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:20 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:46 pm All of the people voting for Sloonei are in my townleans. That’s probably a good sign

Maybe you explained but I only skimmed the thread before going to sleep, why do you TR Vivax?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:21 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:13 pm CURRENT VOTE TOTAL as of ~4 hours until end of day 1:

Spoiler: show
Sloonei (4): fingersplints, sig, Vivax, thellama73
Elohcin (2): Michelle, Quin
Scotty (2): Kate, NotAnAxeHole
LoRab (1): Scotty
Golden (1): DrWilgy
Quin (1): Golden
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not voting: bea, DFaraday, DharmaHelper, Elohcin, GMan, LoRab

I town read this activity. Town needs these VCs later in the game

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