Pandas vs Trash Pandas [Day 7]

[sig]

I don't think that sig is necessarily town, but he has made more attempts at finding scum today than a few other players, namely Urist and DrWilgy

Spacedaisy falls in the same boat.


I agree that sig's attempts are not impressive, though I will acknowledge he has little to work with. On the whole, this game is very low-volume right now, and generating content seems to be difficult for a lot of people in this game.

I'd be ok shooting sig, I also think there are marginally better options today.

You want me to get you some syrup since there's an awful lot of waffling going on here.

[sig]

I don't know how valuable night kill analysis is going to be - other than it's not a mechanically minded mafia team.

I don't do calculus. What makes you think this?

Explaining would be playing against my win condition.

Yea this isn"t an answer lol

[Marmot]

Someone should be able to read DrWilgy here I guess. Just skimmed their ISO and it looks pretty lackluster.

Imo, every now and then DrWilgy does blatantly towntell in games, otherwise he's hard to read. I don't see that here, but he could still be either alignment.


It just occurred to me that the three lowest posters in the game: sig, Spacedaisy, and DrWilgy, are pushing Creature, and for slightly different reasons.

[sig]

Someone should be able to read DrWilgy here I guess. Just skimmed their ISO and it looks pretty lackluster.

Imo, every now and then DrWilgy does blatantly towntell in games, otherwise he's hard to read. I don't see that here, but he could still be either alignment.


It just occurred to me that the three lowest posters in the game: sig, Spacedaisy, and DrWilgy, are pushing Creature, and for slightly different reasons.

Maybe we're all mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I were the shooter I'd be tempted to speed run the game

Sig -> Creature -> Spacedaisy -> Dizzy -> Guillotine

I'm not allowed to shoot before 24 hours

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't know how valuable night kill analysis is going to be - other than it's not a mechanically minded mafia team.

I don't do calculus. What makes you think this?

Explaining would be playing against my win condition.

Yea this isn"t an answer lol

So you want me to tell the mafia how I believe is the best mechanical way for them to play the game, and back it up with data?

[Marmot]

I don't think that sig is necessarily town, but he has made more attempts at finding scum today than a few other players, namely Urist and DrWilgy

Spacedaisy falls in the same boat.


I agree that sig's attempts are not impressive, though I will acknowledge he has little to work with. On the whole, this game is very low-volume right now, and generating content seems to be difficult for a lot of people in this game.

I'd be ok shooting sig, I also think there are marginally better options today.

You want me to get you some syrup since there's an awful lot of waffling going on here.

I am acknowledging reasons to argue your alignment either way. What do you make of my waffling?

[Creature]

Someone should be able to read DrWilgy here I guess. Just skimmed their ISO and it looks pretty lackluster.

Imo, every now and then DrWilgy does blatantly towntell in games, otherwise he's hard to read. I don't see that here, but he could still be either alignment.


It just occurred to me that the three lowest posters in the game: sig, Spacedaisy, and DrWilgy, are pushing Creature, and for slightly different reasons.

I feel like I'm being pushed mostly by everyone rn. Probably because I'm failing to get any concrete read.

[sig]

I don't know how valuable night kill analysis is going to be - other than it's not a mechanically minded mafia team.

I don't do calculus. What makes you think this?

Explaining would be playing against my win condition.

Yea this isn"t an answer lol

So you want me to tell the mafia how I believe is the best mechanical way for them to play the game, and back it up with data?

I want you to explain why you think the mafia team isn't mechanically minded at all. Not how they should play. Since that's a rather grand statement and seems to be the cornerstone of who you think we should vote off. So like kinda a wee bit important to explain it.

[Marmot]

Someone should be able to read DrWilgy here I guess. Just skimmed their ISO and it looks pretty lackluster.

Imo, every now and then DrWilgy does blatantly towntell in games, otherwise he's hard to read. I don't see that here, but he could still be either alignment.


It just occurred to me that the three lowest posters in the game: sig, Spacedaisy, and DrWilgy, are pushing Creature, and for slightly different reasons.

Maybe we're all mafia

sig > DrWilgy > Spacedaisy

That is the likelihood I see of the three of you being mafia.

Since Wilgy is just sheeping Spacedaisy, I think he always has a higher chance than Spacedaisy.

[Creature]

tbh only NAA strikes me as a mechanically minded player here.

[Marmot]

Tbh, I do like mechanically solving games, but since several other people already put the work in Day 1, I'm just blindly sheeping it.

[Creature]

I know I wouldn't kill fingersplints here, unless I was leashed by a cockier partner.

[Spacedaisy]

There has been literally zero sense about why I’d be mafia at all. The only reasoning anyone has given was because of some assumptions about what drives the mafia kill and then presumption it is me by people who have literally never played with me before so I have no idea how I’m even in this list in the first place.

[NotAnAxehole]

Prediction: Shoot someone complaining about the logic that is getting them scum read based on night kill, probably kills mafia.

[Marmot]

There has been literally zero sense about why I’d be mafia at all. The only reasoning anyone has given was because of some assumptions about what drives the mafia kill and then presumption it is me by people who have literally never played with me before so I have no idea how I’m even in this list in the first place.

You accused Creature of weeing in the thicket. That's pretty sus

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

[NotAnAxehole]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

I have 2 lock town reads that you're probably not shooting. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Urist]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

[Marmot]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

My POE includes DrWilgy, sig/Creature, Urist, and Dizzy


I don't think sig and Creature are teammates, but that one of the two could be mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

This is true... There is no harm in me giving my PoE, because the mafia team don't respect me as a player.

[Marmot]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.

[NotAnAxehole]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.

We are playing mafia. Not every game of mafia is required to have the same style of play.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

I have 2 lock town reads that you're probably not shooting. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not sure who the second is offhand but I doubt you're wrong

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

Does it?

Really I just need a bit more reads on other people from those im not townreading so I can form associatives better but I dont think it's good if my towncore is public for nk purposes

[Urist]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.

nah that's nanook's job

[Creature]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
sig
Spacedaisy
Urist

Would probably rank DrWilgy > hollowkatt > falcon45ca/Spacedaisy > Urist > sig. I don't know where to place Dyslexicon tbh.

I don't have any confident lock town read, only gut reads.

[Creature]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.

nah that's nanook's job

I see some benefits in other players correctly finding wolves.

[NotAnAxehole]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

I have 2 lock town reads that you're probably not shooting. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not sure who the second is offhand but I doubt you're wrong

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

Does it?

Really I just need a bit more reads on other people from those im not townreading so I can form associatives better but I dont think it's good if my towncore is public for nk purposes

I could comment, but it would be against my wincon to do so.

[sig]

I don't think that sig is necessarily town, but he has made more attempts at finding scum today than a few other players, namely Urist and DrWilgy

Spacedaisy falls in the same boat.


I agree that sig's attempts are not impressive, though I will acknowledge he has little to work with. On the whole, this game is very low-volume right now, and generating content seems to be difficult for a lot of people in this game.

I'd be ok shooting sig, I also think there are marginally better options today.

You want me to get you some syrup since there's an awful lot of waffling going on here.

I am acknowledging reasons to argue your alignment either way. What do you make of my waffling?

Hmmmmm,

In the case of me its a bit more pingy, since I know my role. However, at the same time its showing you're engaged and just weighing everything out which is towny.

So overall I'd say it's still towny, but i mainly wanted to ask if you wanted syrup not get drawn into a serious convo so smh.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[Creature]

Marmot is probably my most confident townread.

NAA is next.

[sig]

I'm gonna throw out some quick reads with maybe some explanation.

Creature: Mafia lean Not a huge fan of Michelle content/who they're pushing, but still a bit unknown.

Dragon D. Luffy: Town based off tone/posts. Haven"t read through fingersplints yet but I know she was pushing him so this might evolve.

DrWilgy: Town

Dyslexicon: Mafia lean, based off michelle mainly.

falcon45ca: Town lean

Guillotine: Strong town: Still new to Guillo, but he seems to be playing within normal town meta, plus did help nail Michelle.

hollowkatt: Null, the AtE, is a bit weird at this stage, but not scummy.

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

NotAnAxehole: Mafia: Posts are coming across as scummy from a gut level and really don't like the teeing up for votes or the people he's saying should be voted. Chiefly don't like the mech mafia angle since it Isn't getting explained and really doesn't seem to have any bearing. (get it bearing )

Spacedaisy: Town lean based off posting style.

Urist: Town: This is mainly based off there Gullio read. I view that as some town/town.


I'd say my issue right now is too many town reads and no really solid mafia reads. So i'll

[Marmot]

If some/most of you guys could give four person POEs, that would be super helpful for me to organize how everyone is viewing the game. Or your confident lock town reads, either is helpful. Tyty.

the problem with giving a public PoE is that it tells the mafia whether they should gamble on a nanook shot tonight.

We're going to have to play mafia at some point.

We are playing mafia. Not every game of mafia is required to have the same style of play.

I do believe it behooves us to have Nanook hold his cards close to his chest, as he's doing. I don't believe that everyone else should do the same, at least in regards to giving reads. (They probably should when it comes to talking about night targets).

But Nanook playing discretely means that the rest of us still have to work to give him information to work with. Otherwise we might as well just let him rand his shot every day. I haven't run the numbers on that, but town's odds of winning are likely pretty low if we do that.

[sig]

Spoiler: show

I'm gonna throw out some quick reads with maybe some explanation.

Creature: Mafia lean Not a huge fan of Michelle content/who they're pushing, but still a bit unknown.

Dragon D. Luffy: Town based off tone/posts. Haven"t read through fingersplints yet but I know she was pushing him so this might evolve.

DrWilgy: Town

Dyslexicon: Mafia lean, based off michelle mainly.

falcon45ca: Town lean

Guillotine: Strong town: Still new to Guillo, but he seems to be playing within normal town meta, plus did help nail Michelle.

hollowkatt: Null, the AtE, is a bit weird at this stage, but not scummy.

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

NotAnAxehole: Mafia: Posts are coming across as scummy from a gut level and really don't like the teeing up for votes or the people he's saying should be voted. Chiefly don't like the mech mafia angle since it Isn't getting explained and really doesn't seem to have any bearing. (get it bearing )

Spacedaisy: Town lean based off posting style.

Urist: Town: This is mainly based off there Gullio read. I view that as some town/town.


I'd say my issue right now is too many town reads and no really solid mafia reads. So i'll

So I'll be going through and doing some ISO at a later point.

Ranking wise I'd probably shoot in the order of NAA, Dizzy, Creature, DDL, marmot I guess

[Creature]

Why sig's reads are almost polar opposite to mine?

[Dyslexicon]

Don’t know about my full PoE, but atp it will include Sig and HK.

My reads change as far as I have any.

Probably better if Nook makes his decision.

I might come back stronger if I live

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

I'm gonna throw out some quick reads with maybe some explanation.

Creature: Mafia lean Not a huge fan of Michelle content/who they're pushing, but still a bit unknown.

Dragon D. Luffy: Town based off tone/posts. Haven"t read through fingersplints yet but I know she was pushing him so this might evolve.

DrWilgy: Town

Dyslexicon: Mafia lean, based off michelle mainly.

falcon45ca: Town lean

Guillotine: Strong town: Still new to Guillo, but he seems to be playing within normal town meta, plus did help nail Michelle.

hollowkatt: Null, the AtE, is a bit weird at this stage, but not scummy.

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

NotAnAxehole: Mafia: Posts are coming across as scummy from a gut level and really don't like the teeing up for votes or the people he's saying should be voted. Chiefly don't like the mech mafia angle since it Isn't getting explained and really doesn't seem to have any bearing. (get it bearing )

Spacedaisy: Town lean based off posting style.

Urist: Town: This is mainly based off there Gullio read. I view that as some town/town.


I'd say my issue right now is too many town reads and no really solid mafia reads. So i'll

So I'll be going through and doing some ISO at a later point.

Ranking wise I'd probably shoot in the order of NAA, Dizzy, Creature, DDL, marmot I guess

Why would you shoot myself and DDL (townreads) before you would shoot hk (a null read)?

Too many townreads isn't a terrible thing. It can be slightly scum-indicative (because scum have to force scum reads on town players, and it's easier to TR them since they know they're town). I don't think that's the case here. You do have some nuance at least, which is nice in narrowing down a POE.

[Dyslexicon]

I am my most confident town read. Very towny

[Marmot]

sig's wallpost of reads has me waffling again. Also, how did he post so much about everyone with such little content before that? My mind is blown!

[DrWilgy]

I don't think that sig is necessarily town, but he has made more attempts at finding scum today than a few other players, namely Urist and DrWilgy

Spacedaisy falls in the same boat.


I agree that sig's attempts are not impressive, though I will acknowledge he has little to work with. On the whole, this game is very low-volume right now, and generating content seems to be difficult for a lot of people in this game.

I'd be ok shooting sig, I also think there are marginally better options today.

Scum already found. Creature. Kachow.

[Dyslexicon]

sig's wallpost of reads has me waffling again. Also, how did he post so much about everyone with such little content before that? My mind is blown!

I found it vaguely scummy. I’m back to not fully read the game whoops

Also omgus the lot of you

[Marmot]

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

[Marmot]

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

EBWOP: at no point in this game have I *knowingly* suggested/pushed someone who is town.


There's a very good chance I've pushed town at some point, but only a wolf would know that.

[Creature]

What the f? sig townreads DDL and Marmot yet wants to shoot them?

[Marmot]

sig's wallpost of reads has me waffling again. Also, how did he post so much about everyone with such little content before that? My mind is blown!

I found it vaguely scummy. I’m back to not fully read the game whoops

Also omgus the lot of you

oh my gay u suck?

[Dyslexicon]

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

EBWOP: at no point in this game have I *knowingly* suggested/pushed someone who is town.


There's a very good chance I've pushed town at some point, but only a wolf would know that.

He said if

[Dyslexicon]

sig's wallpost of reads has me waffling again. Also, how did he post so much about everyone with such little content before that? My mind is blown!

I found it vaguely scummy. I’m back to not fully read the game whoops

Also omgus the lot of you

oh my gay u suck?

100 points marry me

[Marmot]

What the f? sig townreads DDL and Marmot yet wants to shoot them?

I know he probably shoved us into a 4-person POE that Nanook requested (although sig actually gave 5), but I don't get why we ended up in there before hk.

[Creature]

Bit worried now about sig because they seem to have easily got these reads while I struggle getting any confident read.

[Marmot]

Marmot: Town: He's being active which is a plus and is out here weighing in and giving reasons. The main caveat here would be if Marmot keeps suggesting/pushing people who turn out to be town.

Can you explain this one sig? Where have I "kept suggesting/pushing people who turned out to be town"?

I didn't talk about fingersplints Day 1 at all, which means at no point in this game have I suggested/pushed someone who is town.

EBWOP: at no point in this game have I *knowingly* suggested/pushed someone who is town.


There's a very good chance I've pushed town at some point, but only a wolf would know that.

He said if

Gimme that tmi meme please