The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:34 pm @lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:34 pm @lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

Am I supposed to care enough already to have a suspicion cuz I do not

Also, doesn't this give maf a good spot to hide and just say "I was just voting random cuz lucy asked" or something

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:34 pm @lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:06 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:00 pm I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

can you elaborate on your thoughts concerning this strategy, how it's bad and why you don't want to follow it?

i don't care what you read me as, however i do think it's strictly optimal if you vote for the aforementioned reasons, if something is unclear i'd like you to elaborate so i can convince you there

voting cannot hurt, if you don't vote i expect a logical counterargument because i plan to convince you. this is because i am working on being persuasive, which people don't seem to think i am for some reason

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:34 pm @lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

depends on how seriously people plan to play this

however windward went to finale before and i don't know how strong they are, the rest of this list is pretty fucking good too

i plan to play it hard and get nked early

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

yeah exactly im p sure lucy's idea is fine but only if she's documenting vcs

otherwise seems pointless

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:46 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

I mean sure kind of but also this is TS not mu or 451 retroactive vcs don't exist, and also there's no hammer the only votes that actually matter are eod

yeah exactly im p sure lucy's idea is fine but only if she's documenting vcs

otherwise seems pointless

Yeah its fine somewhere with retroactive vcs

Unless lucy wrote a script to track votes and every calls their vote its kinda weh

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:00 am Totally forgot about this

I'm actually intrigued by this idea Lucy's brought up so I'm gonna drop a lil [VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine because they seem... TOO on topic and into it for being like 3 hours into start of day 1

Bullshit reason, and I don't know this person or if it is normal but I would like to see where this goes

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:05 pm Day 1 has begun. You have ~48 hours.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:07 pm Can you tell I'm popular at school

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:25 pm What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:34 pm @lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:12 pm Why image hate me on mobile man. Why

Here idc





Click it

Or dont

I dont care

((I care ))

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:25 pm What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:34 pm @lucy who do you think dies n1

always me

@Lilypetal @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @pyxxy @Sabiplz and everyone else that's online, can you guys vote someone, i am testing a theory

the theory is that the more votes and the more wagons on d1 will encourage solving and it will have wagonomics which may be clearing or outing for players after we get some flips, ergo day 1 wagons are important and everyone should vote pretty early

i'll start, on rondo

interesting

ill vote someone when i feel comfy to, why exactly do you expect you'll die n1? who is your second pick?

depends on how seriously people plan to play this

however windward went to finale before and i don't know how strong they are, the rest of this list is pretty fucking good too

i plan to play it hard and get nked early

I've also been to finale tho let's not get too carried away with ourselves

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:50 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:48 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:25 pm What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

all pr's claim and lead town as confirmed town

they don't claim exact role

the problem here is that mafia pretty much know exact setup and there could be 3 or 2 town pr's

that eliminates fake claiming at minimum, however it's still extremely strong and can win town games

i don't know whether we should try it here to be honest

on one hand this is a test game and most setups have town protective roles, which is a very interesting dynamic and i kinda wanna try it here because it is a test game

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:55 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:50 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

i'm saying that this isn't a viable strategy because the problem with too many votes too quickly is getting too close to hammer and the day ending prematurely without everyone thinking sufficiently on a scumread. they aren't scum sided but we can use the advantage of no hammer on d1 here pretty nicely

and yeah i have three votes on me, people are FINALLY scared of me as scum which is really good and will cause tinfoil. however what is important is that all of those scum games were in my town meta, you just saw me town lead scotty's game and have a 3/4 solve 10 irl days ago

which means that yes, i am adopting a much more influential style and i am a god powerwolf. the important thing to note is that when i am town i am a god town leader too, and that all of those scum games that i was in recently have actually caused me to learn a fair bit about towning due to seeing it from the otherwise and playing so so so many days straight with tmi

regardless, ty for voting even if it's on me

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:48 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:25 pm What's the point of having a random setup? Maybe this is off-topic but like what's that do for competition and proving who's good or w/e

Uh it makes its more believable for stuff like claims. Harder for mafia to plan. Etc.

That's what atleast I think is the point?

perspective slip?

jkjkjkjkjkjk

Sir.

The issue last time champs had like a fixed game template with like power roles and stuff is town decided to bucket strat which made the game town sided.

This whole random aspect is supposed to curb that but idk if it will?

Anyway semi open set ups are meh.

bucket strat?

all pr's claim and lead town as confirmed town

they don't claim exact role

the problem here is that mafia pretty much know exact setup and there could be 3 or 2 town pr's

that eliminates fake claiming at minimum, however it's still extremely strong and can win town games

i don't know whether we should try it here to be honest

on one hand this is a test game and most setups have town protective roles, which is a very interesting dynamic and i kinda wanna try it here because it is a test game

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:55 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:50 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:51 pm it's simple

imagine mid d1 we have 4-4-4 wagons, one on scum and one two on towns, that has clear potential to be outing or clearing for villas in the future

the more wagons that exist without hammer the more pressure that is and can be applied to scum. forcing scum to either bus or wolfside, these plays will be seen and the d1 wagons will be effective at retroactively having really good reads and d1 wagonomics in the future

vote vote vote

again maybe this is off-topic as meta-conversation but are hammers scum-sided? because that's kinda what you're implying here as a motivation for this idea and I haven't heard any analysis about hammers before

please reply knowing there's a good chance I just say hah nerd again, ty

i'm saying that this isn't a viable strategy because the problem with too many votes too quickly is getting too close to hammer and the day ending prematurely without everyone thinking sufficiently on a scumread. they aren't scum sided but we can use the advantage of no hammer on d1 here pretty nicely

and yeah i have three votes on me, people are FINALLY scared of me as scum which is really good and will cause tinfoil. however what is important is that all of those scum games were in my town meta, you just saw me town lead scotty's game and have a 3/4 solve 10 irl days ago

which means that yes, i am adopting a much more influential style and i am a god powerwolf. the important thing to note is that when i am town i am a god town leader too, and that all of those scum games that i was in recently have actually caused me to learn a fair bit about towning due to seeing it from the otherwise and playing so so so many days straight with tmi

regardless, ty for voting even if it's on me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:11 am I would see adopting a style as a temporary thing but this seems more like a natural evolution of how you've played + how you're perceiving your play style to be perceived -> adjusting accordingly

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:45 pm why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:07 pm Protector

Kate - Odd Night Doctor
lucy - Even Night Jailkeeper
Dennis - Town
DrWilgy - Town
falcon45ca - Town
Lilypetal - Town
Neon - Town
Porscha - Town
RondoDimBuckle - Town
Sabiplz - Town
WindwardAway - Town
Seanzie - Town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Mafia 1 shot Jailkeeper
pyxxy - Mafia Goon
tutuu - Mafia Goon