basic mafia [END]

[DaughterOfOmega]

I really shouldn't be so sad on nights like these. I let certain people in the forum mafia-verse just destroy me.

[Alison]

Well since no one is doing anything:
If you randed wolf who is the person you'd put top of your n1 list even before seeing any in thread posts?

Probably Dyslexicon or Esooa.

Esooa knows me and my thought processes playing mafia the best, Dyslexicon has the highest hitrate in catching me when I'm a wolf

[Alison]

I have several lock-town never rescind reads already.

That's interesting because I don't think anyone has done anything townie so far.

What are your locktown reads?

[Alison]

hardclaim town i didn't read the rules

Enjoy being soupkilled motherfucker

[Alison]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

[Alison]

I retract the "nobody has done anything townie so far" claim, EnderWiggin trying to bait mafia into spewing people not buddies with them was pretty townie.

[Alison]

by the way does anyone know how luckbox feels about playing wolf in general? Do they like playing it, dislike playing it? Do they do well as wolf?

[Luckbox Inc]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

nice. I had wanted to start with a wolf peek on you.

[Luckbox Inc]

by the way does anyone know how luckbox feels about playing wolf in general? Do they like playing it, dislike playing it? Do they do well as wolf?

So I do prefer to village. But I'm not a bad wolf at all and was sort of mentally prepared to rand wolf for this game. Maybe next time though. I'm a pretty decent wolf though. I'll probably win my first wolf game here.

[Luckbox Inc]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

So I thought my opening has been good.

[Alison]

I can feel the awkwardness and discomfort radiating from your computer screen.

[Luckbox Inc]

I can feel the awkwardness and discomfort radiating from your computer screen.

only just now it got awkward.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Can people not talk like this already? It's god damn 1 hour in. I'm trying to get over some deep sadness so I need calmness

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can people not talk like this already? It's god damn 1 hour in. I'm trying to get over some deep sadness so I need calmness

Mafia thread probably not the place to find it

[EnderWiggin]

I retract the "nobody has done anything townie so far" claim, EnderWiggin trying to bait mafia into spewing people not buddies with them was pretty townie.

Was hoping to slip this by and get stuff but now you aired it lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Can people not talk like this already? It's god damn 1 hour in. I'm trying to get over some deep sadness so I need calmness

It's like, 8 hours in?

But hey, I agree on the chill vibe. Chill vibe while I scumhunt is nice as long as people are talking.

[EnderWiggin]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I'm contractually obliged to disagree with you on this vote.

Just because I lynched him for exactly this reason last game and he flipped Green.

[Luckbox Inc]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I'm contractually obliged to disagree with you on this vote.

Just because I lynched him for exactly this reason last game and he flipped Green.

this isn't Alison's first game with me so her reaction is a just a tiny bit intriguing. But it was quite similar to this in the only game we played together previously.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Can people not talk like this already? It's god damn 1 hour in. I'm trying to get over some deep sadness so I need calmness

Mafia thread probably not the place to find it

Why? Nothing in mafia ever needs to be explosive or dramatic. I've played plenty of chill mafia games when I was a kid. People just need to take the game a certain way, and not focus on themselves/their teams.

One of the problems is that people think mafia is a place for explosive things and emotional uncertainty. It's just a game that no one here gets paid to play, we all should aim for only fun times inside of these threads. At least that is what I've come to do nowadays. First step is to stop being accepting of certain behaviors that make things no longer calm.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Mainly because I've been through so much, I want to experience relaxing games, so I'm just trying to behave and do my part.

[Esooa]

hi (sorry for scummyness)

what's up Wiggin

[Alison]

I think DOO is a wolf too

[Alison]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I'm contractually obliged to disagree with you on this vote.

Just because I lynched him for exactly this reason last game and he flipped Green.

The last person whose opening I said was insanely scummy was Wurzel, remember?

[DaughterOfOmega]

Yeah I'm about 72% mafia on Alison. I really dislike the last post.

[Alison]

I like how you initially try to chainsaw defend my top scumread via AtE in a way that makes it look like you aren't directly defending them, but the moment I suspect you, you jump straight to a direct OMGUS on me with no pretense of wanting to slank or take the game easy like you claimed earlier.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I like how you initially try to chainsaw defend my top scumread via AtE in a way that makes it look like you aren't directly defending them, but the moment I suspect you, you jump straight to a direct OMGUS on me with no pretense of wanting to slank or take the game easy like you claimed earlier.

This is either a fake read (which honestly I'm holding out hope for your sake) or you've allowed yourself to get to a point of such delusion that it's real.

I'm not sure anyone in this game could explain what you mean by this bold.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I hope someday the term "AtE" disappears from mafia games. You ask for people to be more chill and focus on a calm atmosphere for players, and they "OMG ATE THIS PERSON IS SCUM FOR THIS"

You need some different perspectives.

[Alison]

I'm saying that you got pissy when I attacked Lunchbox, only instead of coming out and saying "I don't like that you attacked Lunchbox", you try to make it about wanting the game to be chill (apparently voicing scumreads in a mafia game is not chill) and trying to tug on people's sympathy for you coming out of AtLA to convince people to follow along. Your dislike of my attitude towards Lunchbox directly stems from my attack on them; trying to conceal this by arguing that it's about the atmosphere of the game (which doesn't make sense) is scummy behavior.

Exhibit A to prove my point: if your real goal was to make the game chill and focus on a calm atmosphere, you would not coming out and calling me delusional.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm saying that you got pissy when I attacked Lunchbox, only instead of coming out and saying "I don't like that you attacked Lunchbox", you try to make it about wanting the game to be chill (apparently voicing scumreads in a mafia game is not chill) and trying to tug on people's sympathy for you coming out of AtLA to convince people to follow along. Your dislike of my attitude towards Lunchbox directly stems from my attack on them; trying to conceal this by arguing that it's about the atmosphere of the game (which doesn't make sense) is scummy behavior.

Exhibit A to prove my point: if your real goal was to make the game chill and focus on a calm atmosphere, you would not coming out and calling me delusional.

Well your read is delusional. It's not changing the atmosphere of the game by saying that. I think you've gained some sort of perspective that the word delusion is somehow a personal attack on you, when there is nothing in the words usage that would mean that. You probably just have some societal use of it stuck in your heard that makes it be seen as "well only crazy loony people get referred to as delusional!!!!" when in reality the term is simply used for when someone has crafted a thought from logic/events that didn't occur how they see. Which is what went happened here. I'm sorry if society has taught you that the word delusional can't be used in a calming environment, I can tell you it's easily used as the word was intended without you needing to take some offense from the word.

I got pissed because you attacked Lunchbox? Lol. I mean already you've either fabricated a world in your mind that never existed or you are purposely saying incorrect things.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Delusion - "an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument"

Is what I consider your read.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think I'm still on Alison's 1 month blacklist, so I'm not sure how to play this game, I don't see any of their posts.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I think I'm still on Alison's 1 month blacklist, so I'm not sure how to play this game, I don't see any of their posts.

I don't think ignore/block features work

[Alison]

You can play semantics if you like. Fact: you got upset when I attacked Lunchbox. Fact: you got upset when I attacked you. You have tried your best to pretend these two facts are not true, and to concoct alternative explanations to sweep them under the carpet while accusing me of being delusional for pointing them out.

I think you're doing that because you're mafia.

[Alison]

I think I'm still on Alison's 1 month blacklist, so I'm not sure how to play this game, I don't see any of their posts.

Okay I guess you're just outed.

[Alison]

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

DOO and Lunchbox tomorrow. Sheep my reads if I die.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think I'm still on Alison's 1 month blacklist, so I'm not sure how to play this game, I don't see any of their posts.

I don't think ignore/block features work

No, you're right. I just got bored and stopped reading their posts, my bad.

[Alison]

Actually no, it's not outing.

Still a weird as fuck thing to say but probably not an outright scumslip

[VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine Go here then.

[NotAnAxehole]

Actually no, it's not outing.

Still a weird as fuck thing to say but probably not an outright scumslip

[VOTE: DaughterOfOmega] aubergine Go here then.

What originally made it outing for you?

[Alison]

I thought you were pretending to have put me on ignore because of the blacklist thing, which is why you were faking being unable to see my posts. That would be outing because JJJ disabled the ignore function a while back.

[NotAnAxehole]

I thought you were pretending to have put me on ignore because of the blacklist thing, which is why you were faking being unable to see my posts. That would be outing because JJJ disabled the ignore function a while back.

I was doing just that.

[DaughterOfOmega]

You can play semantics if you like. Fact: you got upset when I attacked Lunchbox. Fact: you got upset when I attacked you. You have tried your best to pretend these two facts are not true, and to concoct alternative explanations to sweep them under the carpet while accusing me of being delusional for pointing them out.

I think you're doing that because you're mafia.

I'm not sure we hold the same definition of upset. You seem to be very confident in your knowledge of my emotional state, which I've got to say is pretty cocky.

Also I like the "playing semantics" term. You remind me of the times I used to argue politics online. Not everything is an argument you need to win. There was nothing about my post that was incorrect, you just took a word as something it didn't mean, and then to ignore my point you just said "SEMANTICS"

You don't need your argument buzzwords, it's a game of mafia, just be relaxed and chill with people.

[Alison]

Part of playing mafia is trying to read other people's emotional states and thoughts. You've certainly exhibited a lot of signs of being upset, and I attribute this to anxiety about me accusing you and Lunchbox. There must be something driving you to stay here and continually attempt to discredit me by calling me delusional, my arguments buzzwords, etc. The simplest explanation for this is that you don't like my arguments. I feel pretty confident in this conclusion.

[NotAnAxehole]

Part of playing mafia is trying to read other people's emotional states and thoughts. You've certainly exhibited a lot of signs of being upset, and I attribute this to anxiety about me accusing you and Lunchbox. There must be something driving you to stay here and continually attempt to discredit me by calling me delusional, my arguments buzzwords, etc. The simplest explanation for this is that you don't like my arguments. I feel pretty confident in this conclusion.

Do me next!

[Alison]

I also think the way you've been engaging with my accusations has been inauthentic and revealing. You've continually engaged with my suspicion of you in a way that seems designed to discredit and undermine my solving more than it's designed to figure out my alignment or dig into whether or not my suspicion of Lunchbox has merit. For instance, you've said...

1) That I'm "delusional".
2) That I've "fabricated a world in my mind that never existed".
3) That I'm "cocky".
4) That I'm "just trying to win an argument".
5) That I'm using "argument buzzwords".

Here's the common thread between all of those ways of engaging me - none of them attempt to establish the truth of your position, or refute the truth of mine. In other words, you aren't actually trying to reason with me or get me to understand why your behavior came from a townie. Nor are you trying to probe my motives in making those accusations, or get me executed because you think I'm scum. Rather, those actions are made solely in order to try to shade me and get people to stop listening to what I'm saying, without putting forth effort into actually showing why what I'm saying is wrong and illogical/unreasonable.

When you consider that this is page 2, and you're already setting forth an agenda that has nothing to do with pushing a townie win con and everything to do with undermining and discrediting while maintaining plausible deniability, I think that's pretty scummy behavior.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Part of playing mafia is trying to read other people's emotional states and thoughts. You've certainly exhibited a lot of signs of being upset, and I attribute this to anxiety about me accusing you and Lunchbox. There must be something driving you to stay here and continually attempt to discredit me by calling me delusional, my arguments buzzwords, etc. The simplest explanation for this is that you don't like my arguments. I feel pretty confident in this conclusion.

Well. I don't often read into emotional states at all. I find them be easily faked so what is the point. The only thing in mafia that is worth me reading into is thought process and actions.

Why am I staying around? Well I've been fairly alone recently and signed up for a few games to have something help me during some shit. You are the only one posting, and your read of me is the only thing you wanted to talk about. So I find it intriguing that you go "there must be a reason Rachel is still here posting about me" when the entire reason to that is you've chosen to only post about it now. You find that this is less simple than me being "upset" that you called me mafia partner Lunchbox scummy one hour into SOD. I mean oof, there's not much to say to help someone in your position. I used to be that kind of player, and usually you leave people like this to themselves, to try and find the answer hopefully.

[Alison]

It's less "why are you posting in this thread" and more "why are you engaging with me the way that you are". I've made it clear that I think your approach to my accusations is a scummy one, and that if you were a townie who just wanted to chill and relax with friends, you'd be less peeved by what I'm saying and be more "okay man, whatever. Have you seen the new Black Widow movie?" (This is what Nanook, who has that attitude every game, often does.) There is a discrepancy between your stated position of "I just want to chill and I don't want to get into big drama and fights", and your continual attempts to engage me, call me delusional and cocky etc. when I think you'd just not care about my posting and talk about other things if you really held that mentality.

I'll add "There's not much to say to help someone in your position. I used to be that kind of player [implied to be bad], and I hope you find the answer by yourself eventually" to my list of scummy attempts at discrediting me, above.

[DaughterOfOmega]

You created a falsified world, and then you want to say me discrediting that falsification is scummy.

So I should engage with your incorrect reading of the situation?

I find that a weird view

[Alison]

Even if I do nothing as mafia, I'm still feeling constant pressure about how I'm being read. I hammered some dude like 7 hours into a day, and I had to be concerned the entire time that I did so without doing anything before voting. Now I can do whatever I want without my mind having to constantly worry about how other are viewing my actions.

Here, DOOM states that her town meta is to be uncaring of what others think, while she feels constant anxiety and pressure about how other people in the thread perceives her when she's scum.

I think DOO is a wolf too

Yeah I'm about 72% mafia on Alison. I really dislike the last post.

She OMGUSes instantly and sharply in response to a simple, bald assertion of her being a wolf. I didn't drop a case or anything; I just threw a naked "yeah, she's scummy" out there on page 2. But she leaps to OMGUS...

I like how you initially try to chainsaw defend my top scumread via AtE in a way that makes it look like you aren't directly defending them, but the moment I suspect you, you jump straight to a direct OMGUS on me with no pretense of wanting to slank or take the game easy like you claimed earlier.

I like how you initially try to chainsaw defend my top scumread via AtE in a way that makes it look like you aren't directly defending them, but the moment I suspect you, you jump straight to a direct OMGUS on me with no pretense of wanting to slank or take the game easy like you claimed earlier.

This is either a fake read (which honestly I'm holding out hope for your sake) or you've allowed yourself to get to a point of such delusion that it's real.

I'm not sure anyone in this game could explain what you mean by this bold.

And when I apply more pressure, she calls me delusional.

I think she cares a lot more about my read on her than she lets on, and she was feeling a lot more anxious about that initial prod I made towards her than she lets on: because she cares more about things like that when she's scum. It would also explain why she's been constantly trying to deny it, and push the narrative that she's only around because she's lonely and this is all she has to talk about.

[Alison]

You created a falsified world, and then you want to say me discrediting that falsification is scummy.

So I should engage with your incorrect reading of the situation?

I find that a weird view

Why wouldn't you? Don't you want to know why I did it? Don't you have any curiosity at all as to my alignment, my motivations?

[NotAnAxehole]

It's page 2, everyone is going to have forgotten about this by end of day, not let's move to something more productive entertaining.

What's your psychological evaluation on me, and how does me confirming the theory that made you scum read me affect your read of the situation?