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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:45 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:17 pm
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I was looking back at this personally if all actions have a cost I would assume they have a limitied number of uses I think we need to vote upon saving shots for the vig.

This is also backed up b my the claim from the other side of actions costing 1 instead of 2
Hmmm... this is a good point.
No it isn’t. For one I’m not convinced there’s a town sided vig. For another, can we even talk about roles? For a third, vigs are on average town-negative, we shouldn’t be trying to help them take more shots.
We aren't allowed to role claim but could be usefull to talk about still not claims but what we think and what thr uses might be could be a mafia vig or even a neutral all we know but I assume it would be at least one set of kills I fron town if soenone dies on the other side and two over here otherwise this is very anti town in my opinion

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I guess I should probably clarify, I think it’s proooooobably optimal to kill that slot, but I don’t think ty4 has done anything individually to deserve to die

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
by Hyena
Oh my god, I actually can't count. ;-; There are 10 players here, not 11.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Regardless of number a town core doesn’t always have to be majority to swing their weight around

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:55 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am Oh my god, I actually can't count. ;-; There are 10 players here, not 11.
Don't worry i also thought 11 for some reason

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:55 am
by Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:47 am I’m happy with that start. Unfortunately the rest of my TRs are on the other side.

Who else can we add? Should be at least 2 more if we wanna be able to throw some weight around.
Long Con and TLib are probably who I would consider right now, even if I don't have very solid reads on them. Just good vibes.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:56 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Honestly extremely I scum read him but there's no resitance which means he is other alone extremely expendable mafia or just afk town.

What's your real on him individualy

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in
Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
Also gonna say look at game 8 representing activity Tonight

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:47 am I’m happy with that start. Unfortunately the rest of my TRs are on the other side.

Who else can we add? Should be at least 2 more if we wanna be able to throw some weight around.
Long Con and TLib are probably who I would consider right now, even if I don't have very solid reads on them. Just good vibes.
Might be ok with TL but don’t think I want long con

Actually might be ok with elephants though

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
by Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:56 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Honestly extremely I scum read him but there's no resitance which means he is other alone extremely expendable mafia or just afk town.

What's your real on him individualy
Eh, I don’t usually put a ton of stock into “there’s no resistance” this early in the day

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in
Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.
Honestly forgot they had to put three scums on bit targets happy am not there for that alone really.

Will say if Epi is here tommorow would Lynch them I think i said this earlier but I agree with them being scum read. Don't know why 112 I since they were the D1 counter wagon unless more info is there

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
by Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:47 am I’m happy with that start. Unfortunately the rest of my TRs are on the other side.

Who else can we add? Should be at least 2 more if we wanna be able to throw some weight around.
Long Con and TLib are probably who I would consider right now, even if I don't have very solid reads on them. Just good vibes.
Might be ok with TL but don’t think I want long con

Actually might be ok with elephants though
Okay, I'll compromise on elephants.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:01 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
I think we let it sit over night for his defense but don't know where I would move right now honestly

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:02 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.
Okay good question Vanity flips town who's the most likely scum on his wagon right now

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 am
by Long Con
That towncore is acceptable. I'll hopefully do something to get included. Nanook doesn't like me though. I'll just stay in the shadows and help you Avengers out if I can.

I like the vig Role Points point. Whoever the vig is has been spending their points flagrantly, and we may not be able to count on another vig kill at all, depending how many they started with.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:09 am
by Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.
Here's a screenshot of the votes to reference later:
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:16 am
by Hyena
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am Also gonna say look at game 8 representing activity Tonight
G8 represent! :workit:

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:19 am
by Trustworthy Liberal
Also i looked at the votes on Vanity the people voting that i trust pretty well are you me and Nanook

Should read Long con and will in the morning

And null on Elephant

so if a scums on that it should be between them 90% of the time

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:24 am
by Long Con
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.
Okay... outside the neophyte towncore squad, we have Long Con, Trustworthy Liberal, Elephant, Hyena... juliets is absolutely setting herself up for a vanity vote... who else is left? Ty4on? Sure. Creature, then. So you're talking about everyone except Creature with this insight.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:44 am
by Long Con
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:01 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
I think we let it sit over night for his defense but don't know where I would move right now honestly
In my experience, the way a wagon looks halfway through the day is rarely the way it looks at the end. vanity still needs to show up, and even if he doesn't, someone's gonna get restless. :srsnod:

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:09 am
by Elephant
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.
If your observation is false, then Vanity and all his voters are town, leaving nutella, Juliets, Creature, and Ty4on to be the scum pool. That seems unlikely, and I agree with you.

I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:09 am
by Elephant
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:18 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
I've got an idea. How would you feel about lynching vanity or elephant, and then using the (maybe?) vig shot to kill Ty4on? That way, we get the info from people voting between vanity and elephant AND we get the other group's lynch killed to give them info.
Leashing the vigilante was a good idea in the championship where the role could be mafia-aligned, but leashing them here does not seem useful. I believe the vigilante was with us yesterday, or they couldn't have targetted DFaraday. If we want to be sure to not lynch the vigilante accidentally, the safe option is to lynch Ty4on or Nanook. I don't advocate the vigilante holstering, if mafia find out who they are, they will probably die in the night; but that decision is one the vigilante must make. That said,

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:14 am
by nutella
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
That's what I was trying to say earlier lol

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:16 am
by Long Con
That said, indeed.

The vigilante is clearly town-aligned to me, and I don't believe in any plan that assumes we can tell the vig what to do. In my experience, vigilantes will make their own decisions when it comes down to it. Plus, the Role Points system limits things a lot more. I don't know if Role Points can be re-earned or whatever, but power roles in this game are not as free to act as usual, right?

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:17 am
by Long Con
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
That's what I was trying to say earlier lol
Is it really irrational though?

Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:18 am
by Long Con
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:09 am
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:18 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
I've got an idea. How would you feel about lynching vanity or elephant, and then using the (maybe?) vig shot to kill Ty4on? That way, we get the info from people voting between vanity and elephant AND we get the other group's lynch killed to give them info.
Leashing the vigilante was a good idea in the championship where the role could be mafia-aligned, but leashing them here does not seem useful. I believe the vigilante was with us yesterday, or they couldn't have targetted DFaraday. If we want to be sure to not lynch the vigilante accidentally, the safe option is to lynch Ty4on or Nanook. I don't advocate the vigilante holstering, if mafia find out who they are, they will probably die in the night; but that decision is one the vigilante must make. That said,
Caught in the middle of crafting a "just right" response, Elephant? :eye:

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:19 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 am That towncore is acceptable. I'll hopefully do something to get included. Nanook doesn't like me though. I'll just stay in the shadows and help you Avengers out if I can.

I like the vig Role Points point. Whoever the vig is has been spending their points flagrantly, and we may not be able to count on another vig kill at all, depending how many they started with.
Not so much I don’t like you as I don’t really have a read either way on you, lol. Maybe that’ll change!

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:21 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:24 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am
Hyena wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?
Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.
Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.
Okay... outside the neophyte towncore squad, we have Long Con, Trustworthy Liberal, Elephant, Hyena... juliets is absolutely setting herself up for a vanity vote... who else is left? Ty4on? Sure. Creature, then. So you're talking about everyone except Creature with this insight.
I meant literally on the vote at the time I said it, so elephant/TL/you/Hyena FMPOV.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I do tend to think there’s a relatively lower concentration of scum in this group, 1-2 probably (2 most likely), 3 tops, so it’s entirely possible this is just town catching scum (or at least most of town catching scum with maybe one busser, would be fairly surprised if there are 3 scum in this group and 2 are bussing though). So I’m not as nervous about the vanity wagon as I normally might be. I do think there’s probably scum between vanity and the current non-homies voters though (LC, TL, elephant)

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:27 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Actually if vanity flips scum, I think I probably soft clear those 3 for at least a game day or two, it’s not an impossible position to bus but it’s an awkward one imo.

I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 am
by Elephant
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in
Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
At first I thought Hyena had a good idea that makes a lot of sense. Then it occurred to me that the voting system there was different, and I looked up Nanook's account of it. If nobody knows who voted what, the usefulness of flipping Ty4on for that reason seems questionable. [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] , could you determine who defended novaselinenever if you had access to your discussion?

(How did Epignosis become a popular scum read? I didn't think that was possible.)

Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in
Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
At first I thought Hyena had a good idea that makes a lot of sense. Then it occurred to me that the voting system there was different, and I looked up Nanook's account of it. If nobody knows who voted what, the usefulness of flipping Ty4on for that reason seems questionable. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME , could you determine who defended novaselinenever if you had access to your discussion?

(How did Epignosis become a popular scum read? I didn't think that was possible.)
I don’t have access to that thread anymore and wasn’t around for EOD

Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:34 am
by Elephant
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:18 am
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:09 am
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:18 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
I've got an idea. How would you feel about lynching vanity or elephant, and then using the (maybe?) vig shot to kill Ty4on? That way, we get the info from people voting between vanity and elephant AND we get the other group's lynch killed to give them info.
Leashing the vigilante was a good idea in the championship where the role could be mafia-aligned, but leashing them here does not seem useful. I believe the vigilante was with us yesterday, or they couldn't have targetted DFaraday. If we want to be sure to not lynch the vigilante accidentally, the safe option is to lynch Ty4on or Nanook. I don't advocate the vigilante holstering, if mafia find out who they are, they will probably die in the night; but that decision is one the vigilante must make. That said,
Caught in the middle of crafting a "just right" response, Elephant? :eye:
I decided to expound the point about Ty4on in a separate post, but forgot that I had already written down two words of segue.

I Am The Eskimo

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.

Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:43 am
by Elephant
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 am
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on
I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in
Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
At first I thought Hyena had a good idea that makes a lot of sense. Then it occurred to me that the voting system there was different, and I looked up Nanook's account of it. If nobody knows who voted what, the usefulness of flipping Ty4on for that reason seems questionable. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME , could you determine who defended novaselinenever if you had access to your discussion?

(How did Epignosis become a popular scum read? I didn't think that was possible.)
I don’t have access to that thread anymore and wasn’t around for EOD
I am aware that you, personally, cannot do that right now. What I meant was this: could the players who still have that access figure out who defended Novaseline, or would the mechanics of voting make that difficult? Your description is helpful, but left me ignorant on how the system worked in practice.

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am
by nutella
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 am I do tend to think there’s a relatively lower concentration of scum in this group, 1-2 probably (2 most likely), 3 tops, so it’s entirely possible this is just town catching scum (or at least most of town catching scum with maybe one busser, would be fairly surprised if there are 3 scum in this group and 2 are bussing though). So I’m not as nervous about the vanity wagon as I normally might be. I do think there’s probably scum between vanity and the current non-homies voters though (LC, TL, elephant)
yeah good points, probably only one busser if any so maybe you guys are just right? I'm still not totally sold but nothing has happened to make me feel any better about him today either lol

I Am The Walrus

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:46 am
by nutella
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.
I am the eggman?

We are The Eskimo and the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:47 am
by Elephant
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.
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Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:47 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:43 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 am
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am

I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh
Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in
Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?
Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory
At first I thought Hyena had a good idea that makes a lot of sense. Then it occurred to me that the voting system there was different, and I looked up Nanook's account of it. If nobody knows who voted what, the usefulness of flipping Ty4on for that reason seems questionable. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME , could you determine who defended novaselinenever if you had access to your discussion?

(How did Epignosis become a popular scum read? I didn't think that was possible.)
I don’t have access to that thread anymore and wasn’t around for EOD
I am aware that you, personally, cannot do that right now. What I meant was this: could the players who still have that access figure out who defended Novaseline, or would the mechanics of voting make that difficult? Your description is helpful, but left me ignorant on how the system worked in practice.
Oh! Uh...defended would be easier to figure out than pushed, yeah. You could defend players as you wanted, but you couldn’t push one player.

Re: I Am The Walrus

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:48 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:46 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.
I am the eggman?
Coo coo ca joo

Re: We are The Eskimo and the Elephant.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:49 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Elephant wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:47 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:51 am
by Long Con
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 am I do tend to think there’s a relatively lower concentration of scum in this group, 1-2 probably (2 most likely), 3 tops, so it’s entirely possible this is just town catching scum (or at least most of town catching scum with maybe one busser, would be fairly surprised if there are 3 scum in this group and 2 are bussing though). So I’m not as nervous about the vanity wagon as I normally might be. I do think there’s probably scum between vanity and the current non-homies voters though (LC, TL, elephant)
I accidentally cut juliets out of my list earlier. What's your excuse?

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:57 am
by JaggedJimmyJay

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:57 am
by nutella
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:51 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 am I do tend to think there’s a relatively lower concentration of scum in this group, 1-2 probably (2 most likely), 3 tops, so it’s entirely possible this is just town catching scum (or at least most of town catching scum with maybe one busser, would be fairly surprised if there are 3 scum in this group and 2 are bussing though). So I’m not as nervous about the vanity wagon as I normally might be. I do think there’s probably scum between vanity and the current non-homies voters though (LC, TL, elephant)
I accidentally cut juliets out of my list earlier. What's your excuse?
...what? She hasn't voted