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Any viable wagon I don't town read honestlyRoxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:06 amI totes agree - where do you see your self voting? Also Happy Fry-day!!☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:58 am It doesn't feel too me like Michelle is trying to push an agenda wrt Wilgy wagon it just feels like real pure thoughts
Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:27 amit's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following daysLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 amNow that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 amI know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time
wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked
of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 amHe was the person most actively solving.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 amEven I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .
If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.
I could also vote for sig again tbh.
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
I get that voting without posting is not ever a good look, but is that good evidence of a wolf? You acknowledged that it's not the greatest move for a Wolf to make, but then decided you still believe it.
So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?No, I don't think gimmick-y Epi is bad. He was 100% gimmick in the last game and he was town.
Is my Michelle read the same as what? Why her specifically? I'd say it's not exactly the same because of the things I wrote in my last post. Top sus right now is S~V~S, other one I guess is Michelle.@Long Con
It's the same vote as in, they both thought they were the one to put Wilgy over. I get that their approach was different in obvious ways, but if you think that Daisy was trying to save sig, then why wouldn't you suspect Lime Coke of voting for the same reason? Involvement and explanation notwithstanding... a wolf who is participatory would, of course, approach their vote in a participatory way. Are you saying you're more suspicious of the nonparticipation, or the "they voted to save sig" aspect?S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:33 pm@Long Con
Not the same vote at all. He posted for one thing. He made several posts in a row. He was involved and his suspects also evolved.
And I am not the only one pissy about the Wilgy yeet, read the beginning of today again.
Wilgy voted sig before me, and falcon voted him using my actual “I may vote for sig” as his jump off point.
So ok, whatever.
and her very next post, a couple of hours later:Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:12 amLime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:57 am I'm not happy about that flip for obvious reasons. Literally just coming off of a loss I've been playing like complete shit lately but I legit don't know what to do to even get off of this or how to gain the headspace to dig into these games like I want to but...I legit just can't.don't be harsh on yourself and stop overthinking things, I made mistakes in F4/F3 a few times after putting effort in games. I know how it is, but a new game cancels everything in the past and all you can do to improve is to follow your heart.
Like, you know Lime Coke can hear you, right?she's my wolf partnerRoxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:48 am
@Syn - what is with your preferential treatment of PA but not Daisy or even Epi. They both have a lower post count than the Princess so what gives? Your playstyle this game is not feeling v good. Your vibe feels way off. I feel like you are usually a bit whimsical with your playstyle and I am not seeing any of that here. Looking forward to reading more and hoping for a better feel.
dependent on what daisy/sig do when they enter threadMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:50 am @Syn your reason to vote Wilgy comes from things that are not wolfy fmpov.
Idk if you are a villager who is convinced about his ideas or a wolf who just succeded in mischop a villager.
You never gave a chance to Wilgy, decided he is a wolf from the get go and never switched your attention to someone else except me who I am also a villager.
What's your Poe now?
nailbiterSyn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:01 pmdependent on what daisy/sig do when they enter threadMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:50 am @Syn your reason to vote Wilgy comes from things that are not wolfy fmpov.
Idk if you are a villager who is convinced about his ideas or a wolf who just succeded in mischop a villager.
You never gave a chance to Wilgy, decided he is a wolf from the get go and never switched your attention to someone else except me who I am also a villager.
What's your Poe now?
I'm catching up now so maybe they already have
i find this compelling and am tempted to relinquish all responsibility and just sheep wolfilyLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.
That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 amHe was the person most actively solving.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 amEven I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .
If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.
I could also vote for sig again tbh.
We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.
Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?
Abi is just...
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:
sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy
... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning.
And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it."
Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pmSpoiler: show
Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:Spoiler: show
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.
Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?
I want to know your complete reads Long Con, the case looks compelling for Sig but I can see a civvie SVS upset at a hidden vote so close to Eod.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm Abi is just...
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:
sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy
... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning.
And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it."
Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine
It's the drive by element I find sus, not the vote itself. As I am pretty sure I have made abundantly clear. I am sure you see the difference between Daisy makes her last post 10:30 Tuesday night, and votes without posting at all between Tuesday night and somewhere between 9 and 10 vote on Weds night.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:22 pmIt's the same vote as in, they both thought they were the one to put Wilgy over. I get that their approach was different in obvious ways, but if you think that Daisy was trying to save sig, then why wouldn't you suspect Lime Coke of voting for the same reason? Involvement and explanation notwithstanding... a wolf who is participatory would, of course, approach their vote in a participatory way. Are you saying you're more suspicious of the nonparticipation, or the "they voted to save sig" aspect?S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:33 pm@Long Con
Not the same vote at all. He posted for one thing. He made several posts in a row. He was involved and his suspects also evolved.
And I am not the only one pissy about the Wilgy yeet, read the beginning of today again.
Wilgy voted sig before me, and falcon voted him using my actual “I may vote for sig” as his jump off point.
So ok, whatever.
And I'm quite sure I don't need to be told to reread the beginning of today again. The post where I voted you quite clearly discusses the three of you (Michelle, Abi, and yourself), and individually addresses each of you about it.
and that vote made sig look even more sus to me. Which is why I said earlier, i want to hear from Daisy. This post makes me happy.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:48 am @Epignosis - can you put together your reasoning for your votes? I find myself disagreeing with sul sul
@Long Con - do you think gimmick-y Epi is bad? Really? Have you seen this before? Is your Michelle read the same? I was wondering who your top two sus are.
@S~V~S - I feel like you are being helpful and I am agreeing with a lot of what you post which makes me nervous as I have been burned by your sweet, gentle natured style of playing. While my heart believes your civvie my hed say watch the F out!
@Michelle - yeah I feel about you the same way I feel about SVS except your style is more like - here it is!! answers naoplztku!! No room for squiggling. I feel v strongly you are town. Please DO NOT BETRAY MY VIBE!! Looking for your insights again today.
@☆Princess Abigail☆ - why sign up if you did not feel like playing? Are you trying for a more relaxed low posting style of play? If yes then you must still let us see your usual style through fewer posts - good luck bc I find your posts this game to be wanting and lacking substance of any kind. Not helpful to the town at all when you say stuff like - You do not feel like playing, you have no wim and that you will not be found town and said we should have solved you D 1. This does not feel like you are helping instead it feels like you are wanting to be elimmed and for me when someone wants to be elimmed I oblige. ot that it matters but I did expect something more from you, I know that is unfair but I cannot help how I feel.
@sig - you are v slippery for me to read like I want to call you town but your posts read otherwise half the time. I am going to wait and see how other og's treat ya to help me form a more solid read of you.
@Spacedaisy - damn girl I miss your old style and wish I had more to go off here but your posts coupled with that drive y vote has left me doubting your civvie-ness. I hope you can add more today. At least the reason for your vote and how you arrived at your decision.
@Lime Coke - I( do not think I have seen your town game. If I have it's been a minute but I do feel like you are trying to get into the game unlike last game where your posting was minimal as well as you making your thought process clear. I want to give you a chance this game but I will be watching.
@Syn - what is with your preferential treatment of PA but not Daisy or even Epi. They both have a lower post count than the Princess so what gives? Your playstyle this game is not feeling v good. Your vibe feels way off. I feel like you are usually a bit whimsical with your playstyle and I am not seeing any of that here. Looking forward to reading more and hoping for a better feel.
That Wilgy would accuse sig based on him just sheeping other opinions, and then respect the strength of that same opinion as a reason to change the PoE.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:05 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pmSpoiler: show
Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.
What exactly was that contradiction you are talking about?
That is not the point. That is not why I voted for Wilgy. I'm not fooling you. I voted Wilgy out of suspicion, not fear.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:Spoiler: show
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.
The point is, you can't chop someone because they can fool you, because in this case I think you should be the next candidate to be voted out.
If think every villager who voted Wilgy took the fear path because it looked the easiest, and didn't look at the game as a whole.
Glad we agree.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.
Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?
I don't know how Abi flips, but I don't agree to let her be resolved close to or in lylo.
Not sure what gave you that impression, but I feel pretty null about her right now.And yes, I think Roxy is town.
Also yes, if you think I am lamenting, i am doing it.
So what?
My solve is linked with the bad cases Sig posted against Wilgy and against me.
He was pretending he can read me, which I know it's not correct and is a way for wolves to push or pocket me. I gave him time and went against Abi but unfortunately town followed Sig and voted Wilgy. In those 5 votes we have at least 3 townies.
The coloured text: Abi deserved the chop and she was saved for a reason if she is town - she belongs to the Poe and the wolves will let her alive until late to have a free mischop.
The best day to clear the Poe of an inactive is D1.
Your wording is weird, it's like you read her town, or something? What gives you the read?
But... I didn't.Also that post when I answered 'I know right' was a joke.
Why do you pretend it's more than that?
I just said it made me laugh. Isn't that what jokes are for?Well, you're in luck, because I happen to love rainbows. I'll do it in a subsequent post though.I didn't trust your case on Wilgy (proof is, I forgot about it and I need you to explain me again what was about.
I want to know your complete reads Long Con, the case looks compelling for Sig but I can see a civvie SVS upset at a hidden vote so close to Eod.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm Abi is just...
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:
sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy
... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning.
And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it."
Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine
I just thought a main counterwagon would be a likely place to find a Wolf, and she's the only one there who could fit the bill. It's not a gotcha.Why is she a wolf if she was voting Sig with 2 flipped villagers, this is a logical fallacy.
Yes, fair, I am tired of talking about Daisy without her showing up. I was calling one aspect, the relevant aspect to what I was saying - the belief that they were the one putting Wilgy over - would have been the same.Also you can't put equality between Brad and Daisy, maybe they voted the same, but one posted all day trying to solve and voted in the open, the other was low poster but came at Eod voting just in the poll.
I won't replace out and suggesting I should is lameLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pmOk. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:27 amit's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following daysLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 amNow that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 amI know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time
wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked
of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later
That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 amHe was the person most actively solving.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 amEven I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .
If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.
I could also vote for sig again tbh.
We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.
Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?
Abi is just...
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:
sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy
... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning.
And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it."
Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine
Vote SynSyn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:06 pmi find this compelling and am tempted to relinquish all responsibility and just sheep wolfilyLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.
That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 amHe was the person most actively solving.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 amEven I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .
If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.
I could also vote for sig again tbh.
We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.
Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?
Abi is just...
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:
sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy
... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning.
And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it."
Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine
Then choose the unlame option, option a).☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:27 pmI won't replace out and suggesting I should is lameLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pmOk. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:27 amit's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following daysLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 amNow that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 amI know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time
wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked
of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later
That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 amHe was the person most actively solving.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 amEven I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .
If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.
I could also vote for sig again tbh.
We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.
Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?
Abi is just...
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:
sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy
... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning.
And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it."
Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine
I attempted to post my why, but I was voting last minute and the thread was locked when I hit post.S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:05 pmHokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?
I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.
I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb
[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine
sig.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:47 pmI attempted to post my why, but I was voting last minute and the thread was locked when I hit post.S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:05 pmHokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?
I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.
I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb
[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine
Apologies for not coming in sooner. I am also in a couple writing competitions and dealing with beta reading other's work and writing, revising, etc. I forgot the thread should have opened.
Now, here is what happened. I came in the thread at three minutes to 10, after visiting my brother and his family for the evening and having just got home. I found a three way tie between abigail, wilgy, and syn.
I didn't recall any case for abigail before I left. I felt like there was a very strong back and forth between Wilgy and Syn and that having information on one of the two would be the most helpful going forward. So I disregarded voting Abigail. Then I just had to decide Syn or Wilgy. I understood what Wilgy was saying but I thought it was a bit of a stretch. Syn, I don't know, his tone didn't stand out to me, and Wilgy seemed overly zealous.
So I voted a panicked, last minute vote for Wilgy based on coming into a three way tie and wanting to see some information to go off of even if Wilgy flipped civ.
sorry I didn't see this you caught it!
That lines up with that we have gathered.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:49 pm Also, ftr, after my vote cast, it appeared that there was a flurry of movement that I was not aware of. When I cast my vote, it showed a three way tie before the vote was cast.
With all due respect, Rox, you have a life that keeps you out of the thread the majority of the time, and so do I. I think you of all people would understand that.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:48 am
Spacedaisy - damn girl I miss your old style and wish I had more to go off here but your posts coupled with that drive y vote has left me doubting your civvie-ness. I hope you can add more today. At least the reason for your vote and how you arrived at your decision.
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:06 pmI 100% disagree that we haven’t played enough for this, also even ignoring that your response to a single person calling you mafia and not even pushing it is telling. You’re acting like mafia that was caught for a dumb/not real reason and is now annoyed.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:04 pmNo, i have no read rnWhat's the difference between a pressure vote and solving?sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:48 pmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:55 pm
How would you describe/define Michelle's activity as not being towny?
It's one thing to say, but what does it actually mean
thats a lot of work for day 1.
She seems to be looking for reasons to vote people rather than trying to solve the game.
There’s also some tone reasons as well. I’m usually pretty good at reading her and here she just doesn’t seem very Civvie
We didn't play enough to know how to read me tonally, so I don't understand this meta take here.And you think we are both so bad at the game that you figured things out so easy.
I honestly think he is town, as well as Brad and Long Con, and I liked Roxy as town lean as well.
These are people I am not going to vote toDay even if the reads are not solid yet.
Abigail didn't show any solving intent. My vote stays.
Also the vote for Abi has some very weak reasoning.
Sig defended PA but didn't list PA as a goodie good good.
I created an old mafia truism.Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:48 amI'm not sigMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:44 am I see, everything I am doing is wolfy.
I don't know if this is town tunnelling or a wolf posting in bad faith.
I reread P#153 and it seems you think I am a wolf because I didn't push you back. I don't have to push you back to try to make a read, and I want from you to answer my questions.
and my post was a joke about the old mafia truism where wolves tend to use adverbs