Re: US National Parks Mafia [DAY 2]
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:38 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Yarp.Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:18 pm bleh
I'm struggling a lot with this, I need to revise why I'm reading people a certain way I think ;_;
I think LC looks fine on this page, his reaction to things feel genuine. I'm not huge on reading into more emotive reactions but I dont think is faked
Be back in a bit, but @DrWilgy assuming LC is town, where do you go from there?
Polarized players have very distinct or "polarized" wolf and town ranges that are easy to identify. I think I've been able to correctly identify town DM every game "when given the opportunity" and thus they are polarized.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:36 pmFirst, can you tell me what "polarized" means in this context? I have not understood it so it seems like a buzzword and therefore suspicious.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:12 pm Bleh, I get that.
Can you iterates your read of Pyxxy to me? Where Pyx advised they townread DM I thought the same thing and DM being polarized is decently true.
What regarding Pyx's vote was wrong? As I put previously, Pyxxys vote for Delt looked like it was very good for you.
First, I don't PoE. I just have suspicions without acronyms.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:50 pmI mean, declaring that I'm the falcons killer with not much else felt SUPER WIFOMy, two dead town voted you, and now you are yelling no u.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:42 amThis is feeling right, with all three trying to angle the vote my way. I would put money on the whole wolf team being un that group right now.Caitlin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:17 pm Also having ISO'd Falcon it feels like such a weird nightkill
Based on NKA I kinda think there's a wolf in Epi/Pyxxy/Wilgy since those would be the more normal night kills
At least if I was in a team on the less influencial side I'd put a bullet in one of them
Like, outside of our suspicion on you, why are we w? Do we work with Delta? Is your wider PoE Epi/Pyx/Me/Delta?
So they suck as mafia then, you're saying.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:47 pmPolarized players have very distinct or "polarized" wolf and town ranges that are easy to identify. I think I've been able to correctly identify town DM every game "when given the opportunity" and thus they are polarized.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:36 pmFirst, can you tell me what "polarized" means in this context? I have not understood it so it seems like a buzzword and therefore suspicious.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:12 pm Bleh, I get that.
Can you iterates your read of Pyxxy to me? Where Pyx advised they townread DM I thought the same thing and DM being polarized is decently true.
What regarding Pyx's vote was wrong? As I put previously, Pyxxys vote for Delt looked like it was very good for you.
Generally when I see someone voting me die my first thought is "who's trying to turn this into a push against me." But I suppose your thinking isn't invalid.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:47 pmFirst, I don't PoE. I just have suspicions without acronyms.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:50 pmI mean, declaring that I'm the falcons killer with not much else felt SUPER WIFOMy, two dead town voted you, and now you are yelling no u.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:42 amThis is feeling right, with all three trying to angle the vote my way. I would put money on the whole wolf team being un that group right now.Caitlin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:17 pm Also having ISO'd Falcon it feels like such a weird nightkill
Based on NKA I kinda think there's a wolf in Epi/Pyxxy/Wilgy since those would be the more normal night kills
At least if I was in a team on the less influencial side I'd put a bullet in one of them
Like, outside of our suspicion on you, why are we w? Do we work with Delta? Is your wider PoE Epi/Pyx/Me/Delta?
Falcon died, and I looked back at his interactions and found you cuddling up to him and declaring he's town. It made sense to me that a wolf Wilgy would know he's town and go for the pocket, and kill him because he's generally regarded as town. That's something I could see myself doing if I thought of it.
I don't think I'd necessarily put it like that, but I do think it would be harder for W DM to get around me. Who is/isn't polarized also depends heavily on who knows the polarized players ranges.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:47 pmSo they suck as mafia then, you're saying.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:47 pmPolarized players have very distinct or "polarized" wolf and town ranges that are easy to identify. I think I've been able to correctly identify town DM every game "when given the opportunity" and thus they are polarized.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:36 pmFirst, can you tell me what "polarized" means in this context? I have not understood it so it seems like a buzzword and therefore suspicious.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:12 pm Bleh, I get that.
Can you iterates your read of Pyxxy to me? Where Pyx advised they townread DM I thought the same thing and DM being polarized is decently true.
What regarding Pyx's vote was wrong? As I put previously, Pyxxys vote for Delt looked like it was very good for you.
makes senseDelta wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:08 amLC, I dont think Wilgy in a different wolf team kills Falcon there? Since they were towning each other, it's not much use to Wilgy to kill him there unless it's for a partnerpyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:58 amdo you read falcon's death as more the LC side of things or the Wilgy side of things?Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:06 pm Hm
If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC
Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried
LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x
And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;
nah you're good, life over mafiaS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:21 amI’m sorry. I got a bit frustrated and walked away then kinda forgot about this. Again, so sorry. I’m on my way out the door to work, but will def try to read today and will be back this evening 6 ish US Eastern.
Again so sorry to players and host. This was rude even if unintentional.
ehLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:09 amI don't know what you mean by that. Like, avoiding responsibility for my vote? I don't think I'm doing that.
"Trying to get a wagon to stick"? Is that what we're calling casting a vote these days?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just forgot a comma there. I don't think I'm tinfoiling Delta. Delta could be mafia though.
quoth delta in the post you quoted:DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:35 pmWhat is the Wilgy side of things re Falcon's death?pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:58 amdo you read falcon's death as more the LC side of things or the Wilgy side of things?Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:06 pm Hm
If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC
Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried
LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x
And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;
It's not rlly sus imo
I guess
Yay uwu!Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:05 pm From recent posting I think I'm more comfortable in calling Cait town. Which gives me a mild dilemma with my reads but nonetheless
Maybe recency bias talking a lil but I think the way she's approached things coming into today feels natural? Like I can get how she reached the conclusions she has & her progression doesnt feel faked to me?
though I dont get how me using too many emojis is a point against me, that's just a me thing ;_;
You were one of the only big contributors at D1
Ah yes this vote
So that'd leave...
ah so that's you and Long Con talking about Wilgy looking bad re: NKA?
Yes, Wilgy is posting fine, but how do you explain why Wilgy/Epi/Pyxxy all survived the night if theyre all town?Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm Man my issue is I read Wilgy's D1 and like
I dont have an issue with him? Like.
I dunno what's stopping me from throwing him in that list really? Had a similar vibe d1 where it's like 'I should probably just town him and I dont know whats preventing that' other than pure gut vibe
Indeed... I thought I was signing up for a 15p game, ngl
For me the preference for bigger (13-17 preferably) is that the chat at least will stay active & I think from a solving perspective, 3 wolves is way more interesting than 2 wolves
Indeed it's a wolfy tactic
I dont think LC & Wilgy are unpaired
I kinda sympathise with that. Ppl oftenly also treat me like I'm playing with some completely diff playstyle then everyone else
I do think 'meta' reads have worth though, some players are just polarised
Why are you not voting LC if you have this realization, then?
What is your read on me now?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:55 pm last 48 hours has been a blur. I keep skimming thread and realize I'm not absorbing anything.
My brief thoughts re eod were basically, why Delta? and that I probably would've encouraged a Cait wagon over DM as DM decided to townspew right as I couldn't really be close to thread. Had that been done at any point prior to 3 hours before EoD I wouldn't have voted there.
Mhm you mentioned FalcDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:10 pmEarlier readslist are you referring to you, epi and svs that I responded about in the last notification?Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:22 pmWilgy can defs do more explaining (dont think they explained their earlier readslist?)
But other then that they seem fine so far imo @Long Con
I don't rlly think your interaction is incriminating, but I do get following vibe reads. I just dont have the vibe lol
Is there anyone in particular you have questions about? Most of it has been meta calls as I've not really had to the focus for assoc.
Epi - felt like they were genuine in advancing the game. Feel a sense of towny frustration following Timelines mafia where wolves were allowed to slank and won.
Delta - feels similar to how they behaved in wolfwalkers and was town there. The one time I've seen W Delta they were far more buddy-buddy.
Pyxxy - in likeness to their play in battle of the bands that just ended. I wolf read Pyxxy that game and was incorrect. I will advise that this is the slot I don't have a w reference for.
Falc - Pretty sure I was clear on this one, even providing reference to delta on the exact post I found setting falc farther from his wolf range.
Cait - wasn't here, while I liked that there was an active effort to push us from rvs, it was also entirely performative.
DM - wasn't here, would've pulled from PoE had I been around when they were.
SVS - wasn't here, didn't really put an effort in to make reads that drive us out of rvs. Reactions to my prods were very null in nature, as if avoiding them.
LC - was here but nothing felt of substance. Their vote for Cait early felt similar to opportunistic sheeping and their suspicion of falcon was lean to the point of me missing it entirely and that being a concern. LC, did clarify that they voiced the suspicion earlier, but even then it wasn't substantial.
Epi's posting D2 isnt great honestly
@pyxxypyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:08 am alright upon ISO skim search.php?author_id=271&t=2566
dang all LC did really was talk about me and nook, his partners. lmao
the voting pattern doesn't quite line up
wolfing with meCaitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:43 pm@pyxxypyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:08 am alright upon ISO skim search.php?author_id=271&t=2566
dang all LC did really was talk about me and nook, his partners. lmao
the voting pattern doesn't quite line up
What alignment was LC there?
I'm being wary of Epi's D2, but imo their D1 was just rlly good?
Now I'm a wolf?
SVS seems so uninformed that I have a gut feeling they're town
Thankspyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:45 pmwolfing with meCaitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:43 pm@pyxxypyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:08 am alright upon ISO skim search.php?author_id=271&t=2566
dang all LC did really was talk about me and nook, his partners. lmao
the voting pattern doesn't quite line up
What alignment was LC there?
Falc is a very weird kill thoughDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:14 pm The questions towards me and the conclusion they come to seems to be fair in terms of putting in an effort to solve my slot prior to this and I'd say before this Caits PoE was presented as LC/Delta/SVS. To then go "Falc is a weird kill, guess I'm just wrong" feels unnatural.
Why though
I see.pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:12 pmquoth delta in the post you quoted:DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:35 pmWhat is the Wilgy side of things re Falcon's death?pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:58 amdo you read falcon's death as more the LC side of things or the Wilgy side of things?Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:06 pm Hm
If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC
Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried
LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x
And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;
"it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today"
If I see towny process from half and not towny process from half and the not towny process is seen from those mostly not here, what conclusions am I supposed to draw?Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:41 pmWhat is your read on me now?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:55 pm last 48 hours has been a blur. I keep skimming thread and realize I'm not absorbing anything.
My brief thoughts re eod were basically, why Delta? and that I probably would've encouraged a Cait wagon over DM as DM decided to townspew right as I couldn't really be close to thread. Had that been done at any point prior to 3 hours before EoD I wouldn't have voted there.Mhm you mentioned FalcDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:10 pmEarlier readslist are you referring to you, epi and svs that I responded about in the last notification?Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:22 pmWilgy can defs do more explaining (dont think they explained their earlier readslist?)
But other then that they seem fine so far imo @Long Con
I don't rlly think your interaction is incriminating, but I do get following vibe reads. I just dont have the vibe lol
Is there anyone in particular you have questions about? Most of it has been meta calls as I've not really had to the focus for assoc.
Epi - felt like they were genuine in advancing the game. Feel a sense of towny frustration following Timelines mafia where wolves were allowed to slank and won.
Delta - feels similar to how they behaved in wolfwalkers and was town there. The one time I've seen W Delta they were far more buddy-buddy.
Pyxxy - in likeness to their play in battle of the bands that just ended. I wolf read Pyxxy that game and was incorrect. I will advise that this is the slot I don't have a w reference for.
Falc - Pretty sure I was clear on this one, even providing reference to delta on the exact post I found setting falc farther from his wolf range.
Cait - wasn't here, while I liked that there was an active effort to push us from rvs, it was also entirely performative.
DM - wasn't here, would've pulled from PoE had I been around when they were.
SVS - wasn't here, didn't really put an effort in to make reads that drive us out of rvs. Reactions to my prods were very null in nature, as if avoiding them.
LC - was here but nothing felt of substance. Their vote for Cait early felt similar to opportunistic sheeping and their suspicion of falcon was lean to the point of me missing it entirely and that being a concern. LC, did clarify that they voiced the suspicion earlier, but even then it wasn't substantial.
Curious how activity based it isEpi's posting D2 isnt great honestly
The tone feels off and questioning LC on this Day 2 as opposed to Day 1 feels iffy, since D1 is the day where their vote moves were odder (is that a word)
Is it though? Falc was clearly im their town meta and had very few pushes. Why is that weird?Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:55 pmFalc is a very weird kill thoughDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:14 pm The questions towards me and the conclusion they come to seems to be fair in terms of putting in an effort to solve my slot prior to this and I'd say before this Caits PoE was presented as LC/Delta/SVS. To then go "Falc is a weird kill, guess I'm just wrong" feels unnatural.
No way a lesser active team kills a lesser active player
I think it easily could be 1 in my individual suspects, 1 in the activer ppl though
Because your conclusion is very 1 dimensional and goes against your reads keeping your PoE open.