The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:54 pm gotta agree with scotty here, i got insta wagoned and i've been the top wagon for the entire cycle

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:14 am [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Am I not the townie that lock wolf scotty was linking to his partner?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:21 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:54 pm gotta agree with scotty here, i got insta wagoned and i've been the top wagon for the entire cycle

That doesn't say anything about your alignment. Only that all players seem undecided and three players who may or may not be town landed on you and didn't feel like changing. I saw wagons like this on wolf plenty of times.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:57 pm this doesn't feel like a no post cap game

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:19 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:10 am i will either tr or sr scotty and that'll give me more insight into the game than knowing nutellas alignment

Same tbh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:14 am [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Am I not the townie that lock wolf scotty was linking to his partner?

I'd like to hear some specifically yucky things that Scotty did.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:07 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:43 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:04 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:21 pm i think the potential for forming a towncore with breaths is ~fine but discussion based solely on who you're townreading isn't as helpful because it's easier to blend in to. the game needs some amount of accusation and scumhunting to flow properly else it's too easy for people to fit in

i liked P#133 from S~V~S on my first pass of the game but beyond that not a whole lot jumped out to me

If it helps, I think this post is >rand!mafia.

hm, really, why's that?

IMO there wasn't actually any issue with people laying low by just giving townreads, so your post comes off as "I'm trying to look helpful, without actually really being helpful" (sometimes called CWAC). The last sentence looks like you felt like you needed to tack something on to make it look like you weren't just trying to derail the mech plan.

i fairly disagree with that assessment but this is likely owed to a difference in playstyle/philosophy - to me, there just wasn't a whole lot to go on so far and assigning townreads based on that doesn't move the game forward much at all. the primary reason for this is it's very easy for mafia to fake townreads (because they can always be 'correct') and it's an easier environment for mafia to fit in (faking accusations on people you know are innocent is harder)

i also felt the game had gotten off to a bit of a slow start and discussion where people are simply giving lists of names without much in the way of elaboration or discussion doesn't really move the needle for me at all and preferred conversations i'd find more readable

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:44 pm Which reads are bizarre, exactly?

your whole list of townreads are names where i'm not really sure why or how you are townreading them based on their current content - srceenplay had almost no posts and what content there was was mostly RVS silliness so having a townread there is very ??? to me

Instead of discouraging town reads, you can ask people ABOUT their townreads to get the content you say you desire.

and instead of asking me about them, you simply just call them bizarre and move on until I call you out on it? Regardless, I have no good reasons for my list of 3, aside from that's how I felt when looking at the list of names.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:23 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:57 pm this doesn't feel like a no post cap game

Only half of the players are playing and half of the players playing are wearing pants on their heads.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am how much should i trust the nutella read from gira

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:26 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am how much should i trust the nutella read from gira

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:14 am [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Am I not the townie that lock wolf scotty was linking to his partner?

I'd like to hear some specifically yucky things that Scotty did.

That one post. With the "team" and 3p read. It wasn't good

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

It means nothing for the current gamestate. You shouldn't be reading wagon movements at this point unless you can name one wolf on the lucy wagon and convince us to push them instead.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:06 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:50 pm This is probably the stupidest reason I’ve ever voted someone but like lol [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I actually think this silly goofy little thing is somewhat >rand town though. Maybe not enough to outweigh the yucky things, but idk

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:21 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:54 pm gotta agree with scotty here, i got insta wagoned and i've been the top wagon for the entire cycle

That doesn't say anything about your alignment. Only that all players seem undecided and three players who may or may not be town landed on you and didn't feel like changing. I saw wagons like this on wolf plenty of times.

yeah that's why scotty's followup was weird

like i can't even reverse engineer an argument about why it'd give any information about my alignment

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:07 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:43 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:04 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:21 pm i think the potential for forming a towncore with breaths is ~fine but discussion based solely on who you're townreading isn't as helpful because it's easier to blend in to. the game needs some amount of accusation and scumhunting to flow properly else it's too easy for people to fit in

i liked P#133 from S~V~S on my first pass of the game but beyond that not a whole lot jumped out to me

If it helps, I think this post is >rand!mafia.

hm, really, why's that?

IMO there wasn't actually any issue with people laying low by just giving townreads, so your post comes off as "I'm trying to look helpful, without actually really being helpful" (sometimes called CWAC). The last sentence looks like you felt like you needed to tack something on to make it look like you weren't just trying to derail the mech plan.

i fairly disagree with that assessment but this is likely owed to a difference in playstyle/philosophy - to me, there just wasn't a whole lot to go on so far and assigning townreads based on that doesn't move the game forward much at all. the primary reason for this is it's very easy for mafia to fake townreads (because they can always be 'correct') and it's an easier environment for mafia to fit in (faking accusations on people you know are innocent is harder)

i also felt the game had gotten off to a bit of a slow start and discussion where people are simply giving lists of names without much in the way of elaboration or discussion doesn't really move the needle for me at all and preferred conversations i'd find more readable

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:44 pm Which reads are bizarre, exactly?

your whole list of townreads are names where i'm not really sure why or how you are townreading them based on their current content - srceenplay had almost no posts and what content there was was mostly RVS silliness so having a townread there is very ??? to me

Instead of discouraging town reads, you can ask people ABOUT their townreads to get the content you say you desire.

and instead of asking me about them, you simply just call them bizarre and move on until I call you out on it? Regardless, I have no good reasons for my list of 3, aside from that's how I felt when looking at the list of names.

the thing is i don't really like people throwing out lists of 3 names with not much else, i think that's not protown gameplay. you are free to disagree but i think it should be abundantly clear that this is something i believe that has nothign to do with my alignment, yeah? like it's not a scum tactic to come in disagreeing on how the game should be played, that's not what scum do.

and, like, i literally asked you about why you townread srceen and you ignored me, although it could go for any of them. but me talking to you about those reads is engaging you in the hopes that you'll actually elaborate on them? i'm sorry that i have to explain this? i feel like this is a fairly normal thing?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:26 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:14 am [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Am I not the townie that lock wolf scotty was linking to his partner?

I'd like to hear some specifically yucky things that Scotty did.

That one post. With the "team" and 3p read. It wasn't good

What makes a good day 1 post if not baseless accusations and sharpshooting the team for funsies?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:06 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:50 pm This is probably the stupidest reason I’ve ever voted someone but like lol [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I actually think this silly goofy little thing is somewhat >rand town though. Maybe not enough to outweigh the yucky things, but idk

I suspect wolf!Scotty could do that intentionally.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:17 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:16 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:50 pm This is probably the stupidest reason I’ve ever voted someone but like lol [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

It is indeed a stupid reason. It should be obviously a typo.

Even typos can be Freudian slips

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:29 pm I kind of agree with the Gira wolf read though

tell me more

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

It means nothing for the current gamestate. You shouldn't be reading wagon movements at this point unless you can name one wolf on the lucy wagon and convince us to push them instead.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am People taking this game way too seriously, it's day one and nothing we do today really matters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am Based on your first paragraph, what do you think of me, Gira?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am Could be mafia are content to just coast while town barks at each other.

Speaking of falcon..where is that bird brain

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:30 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

It means nothing for the current gamestate. You shouldn't be reading wagon movements at this point unless you can name one wolf on the lucy wagon and convince us to push them instead.

Im more pushing to convince others to vote for someone not on the lucy wagon- someone not voting, actually

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:30 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am People taking this game way too seriously, it's day one and nothing we do today really matters.

Give me your breath

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:31 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am Based on your first paragraph, what do you think of me, Gira?

you seem surface-level fine so far and the suspicion of sig was one i found acceptable (more on that when i catch up)

i don't have deeper thoughts on your alignment

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am People taking this game way too seriously, it's day one and nothing we do today really matters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:30 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

It means nothing for the current gamestate. You shouldn't be reading wagon movements at this point unless you can name one wolf on the lucy wagon and convince us to push them instead.

Im more pushing to convince others to vote for someone not on the lucy wagon- someone not voting, actually

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:31 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:30 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

It means nothing for the current gamestate. You shouldn't be reading wagon movements at this point unless you can name one wolf on the lucy wagon and convince us to push them instead.

Im more pushing to convince others to vote for someone not on the lucy wagon- someone not voting, actually

i don't vote all that often btw, creature and someone else can probs confirm that

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:33 am am i wrong or is creature obv town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:21 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:54 pm gotta agree with scotty here, i got insta wagoned and i've been the top wagon for the entire cycle

That doesn't say anything about your alignment. Only that all players seem undecided and three players who may or may not be town landed on you and didn't feel like changing. I saw wagons like this on wolf plenty of times.

yeah that's why scotty's followup was weird

like i can't even reverse engineer an argument about why it'd give any information about my alignment

I don't see a "scotty followup" from this post. What exactly are you talking about?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:28 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm Yeah, the wagons in lucy and gira have been stinky and static and stoic and Scotty and oh there I am

I don't really feel this take at this stage of the game

ok
So I’m assuming Lucy’s lack of defending and placid state looks more damning on her at this point?

@Seanzie this

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:23 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:03 pm So I realized that there is a glaring flaw in my mech plan, so let's scrap the whole "3 to BLAH, 3 to DEBLAH, 3 to BLAHDEBLAH".

However, it is good to try to funnel breaths all to the same place, so it'd still be good for people to give names of who they think should get breaths, and then I will likely select someone whose name shows up a lot to give my breath(s) to.

I already gave up my breathe but I'm not gonna say who it was too because that just makes them a target for mafia.

I haven't read the set up so feel free to tell me why this is a stupid thought.

All breaths are moved at EoD, meaning that if A targets B and B targets A, they just swap. This makes it so that if people have breaths after the "plan" was supposed to happen, we can't tell if they were 3p, mafia who just kept their breaths, or town that were handed breaths by mafia to complicate the whole mech plan.

It's still possible somethign could work since if we did choose 3 people who were all town, we could possibly reverse engineer who went off-script based on how many breaths they got, but yeah, it's trickier than I was originally thinking.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:34 am I can easily reverse engineer many arguments about why it'd give information about your alignment.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:31 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:30 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am People taking this game way too seriously, it's day one and nothing we do today really matters.

Give me your breath

I've never kissed someone, and I don't plan on doing it now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:33 am NAI aside, you have been strangely pacifistic in your approach this game.

I have no idea who you suspect. All I got from you the past hour of talking is you either SR or TR me

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:34 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:34 am I can easily reverse engineer many arguments about why it'd give information about your alignment.

nice

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:32 am

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:31 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am Based on your first paragraph, what do you think of me, Gira?

you seem surface-level fine so far and the suspicion of sig was one i found acceptable (more on that when i catch up)

i don't have deeper thoughts on your alignment

I made a blanket 3 names that are bad without further explanation post. What do you think of them donuts

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:36 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:32 am

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:31 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am Based on your first paragraph, what do you think of me, Gira?

you seem surface-level fine so far and the suspicion of sig was one i found acceptable (more on that when i catch up)

i don't have deeper thoughts on your alignment

I made a blanket 3 names that are bad without further explanation post. What do you think of them donuts

sometimes accusations without a case are useful

i'll have to try to read your mind and guess why you think those names are bad and see if i like the reasons

this might sound like i'm being flippant or sarcastic but i'm not, really

the thing is i don't really like people throwing out lists of 3 names with not much else, i think that's not protown gameplay.