Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Well, I for one am prepared to make this interesting for him...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:01 pmDay 1 creature: I don’t like this too boring
Day 2 creature: I don’t like this it got boring
I guess same goes for sprit? In theory?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:15 pm But also if Sabie isn’t going to be around as much there’s no point pursuing that than cases against those who’ll at least say something.
I don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.
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Not that elephant, the Dragomir and Oreki shaped one.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:22 pmI don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.
Okay I'll change my angle on Sabie.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:22 pmI don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.
Where's Professional Replacement speedchuck when you need him?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:31 pmNot that elephant, the Dragomir and Oreki shaped one.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:22 pmI don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.
This is more in line with my own thoughts on sabie. I don't outright suspect her for her Day 1 behavior, but I don't townread her at all either. In the absence of that, she becomes a suspect because of the unusually high number of players I am able to town read at this stage. A Day 2 no-show lynch feels underwhelming but I don't oppose it on principle if nothing better comes up.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:35 pmOkay I'll change my angle on Sabie.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:22 pmI don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.
Maybe she is not inherently mafia for what I am accusing her of.
But is she a civ?
Because right now I am civ reading almost everyone (LC, Sloonei, Creature, TSP, Jack, you, even townpinged by Colin now) and the other option is lynching a no show over her because we feel sorry for her for getting lynched and killed a lot.
So in my view the question is;
Functional, useful, info gather Sabie lynch, or
Lynching one of the no shows
I'm going to leave it up to the board of directors here because apparently I am "angry" and emitting a "bizarre energy" or some shit.
He is unable to post this much as a wolf. I know it's stupid. It's not hard at all to fake. He just can't do it.
This game has been chill as fuck outside of me raging. It's not a high pressure environment and it's not like he's made effort posts.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:59 pmHe is unable to post this much as a wolf. I know it's stupid. It's not hard at all to fake. He just can't do it.
Dead Epi's shit list = Colin, Creature, Jack (ish), Long ConJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:00 pmA message from Tandi
Night 1 Message:
This is Tandi 1000. Ha ha. I made that joke up all by myself. Look, I know people think I'm naive and useless, but I have things to say, and you should really listen to me! Here's a list of suitors who visited Shady Sands.
ColinisCool: I am not impressed by Colin. He bounced his vote around quite a bit during Day 1, following Epignosis at first, and then landing on birdwithteeth. Not impressed, no.
Creature: The arrogance is astounding. He needs to show what he demands of others. I'm not impressed so far. Lynch him if he doesn't perform.
Dragomir: He was allegedly taken by the Blades. We may not hear from him again.
Epignosis: He looks fine. I don't understand Long Con's vote on him. He'll have to answer for that.
Glorfindel: I met him once in Junktown. He bought me iguana-on-a-stick and showed me around. I like this fellow.
Jackofhearts2005: Who?
Long Con: His vote on Epignosis was not in keeping with what he said in the thread. I would like to see more attention on Long Con.
MacDougall: He's rocking and rolling. Keep an eye on him. For now, leave him alone.
Oreki: He was allegedly on a mercenary mission and got stranded. We may not hear from him again.
sabie12: No comment.
Sloonei: If Sloonei is bad, then what is doing? Let him keep doing his thing. If he's bad, he'll be obvious enough. If he's good, he's a great boon.
sprityo: Lynch him if you have nothing better to do.
TonyStarkPrime: Tony Stark is Prime. He's fine for now.
Regarding how things went down Day 1, I want MacDougall to calm down. He's been bad at judging sabie, and I want him to think on that before he kills her again. He may be right. But think on it. Don't yell at people. He's solid, and if he's right, great. If he's wrong, then he's a meanie.
Do not lynch: Epignosis, Glorfindel, MacDougall, Sloonei, or TonyStarkPrime. These are people I feel good about. Okay?
Bookmarked for if we ever see a LC wolf flip.
Blasphemous Glorf vote. But he post scripts it with a joke to offset the potential heat in might draw. Not a confident vote. Sketchy.
Drops Glorfindel vote with no explanation (fine I guess) to switch to Sabie (good).Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:38 am This Sabie chat from the Jack-Mac attack doesn't lack. I'll slap a vote on the Sabester. [VOTE: Sabie] aubergine
@sprityo Seeing all the votes on one page is not the intended benefit of Aubergine. We're supposed to be able to see all the votes in one search.
Quickly drops Sabie vote due to confcivEpi's pointing out of her bad history. Undoes the good look from previous. If Sabie wolfflips LC is high percentage partner.
Vote on a dead civ... this is a good look I think. I'm not sure an LC scum team kill Epi after LC leaves his vote out here like that. It's too brazen. Or maybe wifom. Hmm. Null I guess due to wifom potential.
I know! It's maddening. I stand by my read.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:05 pmThis game has been chill as fuck outside of me raging. It's not a high pressure environment and it's not like he's made effort posts.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:59 pmHe is unable to post this much as a wolf. I know it's stupid. It's not hard at all to fake. He just can't do it.
Lol yeah. WolfJack doesn't even subscribe to Creature's towntell on MU where people know him. I'd just let him get mislynched here and thanks for the free day. He's a lousy teammate with such an easy tell. I'd just bus him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:11 pmDead Epi's shit list = Colin, Creature, Jack (ish), Long ConJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:00 pmA message from Tandi
Night 1 Message:
This is Tandi 1000. Ha ha. I made that joke up all by myself. Look, I know people think I'm naive and useless, but I have things to say, and you should really listen to me! Here's a list of suitors who visited Shady Sands.
ColinisCool: I am not impressed by Colin. He bounced his vote around quite a bit during Day 1, following Epignosis at first, and then landing on birdwithteeth. Not impressed, no.
Creature: The arrogance is astounding. He needs to show what he demands of others. I'm not impressed so far. Lynch him if he doesn't perform.
Dragomir: He was allegedly taken by the Blades. We may not hear from him again.
Epignosis: He looks fine. I don't understand Long Con's vote on him. He'll have to answer for that.
Glorfindel: I met him once in Junktown. He bought me iguana-on-a-stick and showed me around. I like this fellow.
Jackofhearts2005: Who?
Long Con: His vote on Epignosis was not in keeping with what he said in the thread. I would like to see more attention on Long Con.
MacDougall: He's rocking and rolling. Keep an eye on him. For now, leave him alone.
Oreki: He was allegedly on a mercenary mission and got stranded. We may not hear from him again.
sabie12: No comment.
Sloonei: If Sloonei is bad, then what is doing? Let him keep doing his thing. If he's bad, he'll be obvious enough. If he's good, he's a great boon.
sprityo: Lynch him if you have nothing better to do.
TonyStarkPrime: Tony Stark is Prime. He's fine for now.
Regarding how things went down Day 1, I want MacDougall to calm down. He's been bad at judging sabie, and I want him to think on that before he kills her again. He may be right. But think on it. Don't yell at people. He's solid, and if he's right, great. If he's wrong, then he's a meanie.
Do not lynch: Epignosis, Glorfindel, MacDougall, Sloonei, or TonyStarkPrime. These are people I feel good about. Okay?
Given these are confirmed as the genuine thoughts of a dead civilian, they should be respected.
Jack defending Creature is a good look for Jack (wolfJack probably doesn't openwolf with wolfCreature, nor does wolfJack defend civCreature).
Colin's bizarre energy rant at me pinged me hard though my rational brain wants to town read him for it because I attract town anger always.
When I let my rational brain analyse the LC/Colin stuff, it made LC look worse for it because diving on civColin there is what I would have done if I was wolfCon.
Creature is either wolf or badciv. I am leaning badciv but I don't think Jack's meta argument holds water in this environment.
I'm gonna look at LC some more.
Disagree here. Not gonna pull any up because mobile but the early posts seemed well within town range and represented some value to get things done.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:19 pm Long Con's intro posts are what I expect from wolves generally. On quick skim I got pinged by his "use jokes to break the ice" early game.
Good thing to note. Also the first town read given in the game which has to count for something but probably not much. No one has ever accounted for the random townread on Mac given Mac had like 2 posts. Way too obvious to be w/w but then I could say the same about Creature.Bookmarked for if we ever see a LC wolf flip.
Doubting a lightly tossed day 1 Vote? Really?Blasphemous Glorf vote. But he post scripts it with a joke to offset the potential heat in might draw. Not a confident vote. Sketchy.
This is solid analysis but it also couldn’t have been coordinated with Epi given Epi being Town. LC would have had to be very lucky to get such an excuse but if he’s a wolf he would snap at the opportunity.Drops Glorfindel vote with no explanation (fine I guess) to switch to Sabie (good).Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:38 am This Sabie chat from the Jack-Mac attack doesn't lack. I'll slap a vote on the Sabester. [VOTE: Sabie] aubergine
@sprityo Seeing all the votes on one page is not the intended benefit of Aubergine. We're supposed to be able to see all the votes in one search.
Quickly drops Sabie vote due to confcivEpi's pointing out of her bad history. Undoes the good look from previous. If Sabie wolfflips LC is high percentage partner.
LC scum really wants Epi dead for X reason where X reason is unknown. I’d say bad look? I’ll get to Colin.Vote on a dead civ... this is a good look I think. I'm not sure an LC scum team kill Epi after LC leaves his vote out here like that. It's too brazen. Or maybe wifom. Hmm. Null I guess due to wifom potential.
His engagement with Colin reads okay but it also has a bit of bloodlust about it given that Colin was fending me off when LC came lurking. Going after a weakened target. A lot can be said about LC with a Colin flip and vice versa. Do not think w/w though.
You didn't ask me to do anything as far as I can tellMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:49 am I asked them to talk about each other. It's a tactic. I didn't ask you to analyse them as partners.
Some fair amount of "no u" here which is in the category of things I generally perceive as town but I don't want to get in the habit of doing so because it's not easy to deal with. This is the first time LC mentions Colin and the case isn't strong but it's short and to the point with the analysis. LC distills the entire case into 2 points and then makes the counter in a sentence. GTH this is town but I can't tell you why.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:18 pmColin already talked about me. I just saw it in his ISO. He says:
1. I'm surfacey, when I'm usually not, and
2. He doesn't like my ratio of content to non-content.
He kind of wanted people to vote for me, but then decided to accuse Jack of the same thing and then later vote sprityo because Epi and sloonei were doing it.
I think Colin looks pretty bad. Good night Westley. Thank you for everything, I'll most likely vote you in the morning.
there's the no u.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:28 pm Well, your points against me are based on completely normal behaviour for me, which tells me that you are mafia, trying to invent a case by necessity. Shrugging off the responsibility for your final Day 1 vote to Epi and sloondog is also sketchy behaviour, buddying them while sheeping.
This reads very differently if LC was about to give the idea to kill Epi.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:01 pmDid you pick me LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:57 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:54 pmI know the person I would pick for this little surprise.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:
A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:
Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained
[End Dialogue]Epignosis...
1. If I'm bad and picked you, voting you might expose you, which would be counterproductive.
2. Maybe...
3. You'd be a liability! Anyway, I think it would be prudent to consider the way the votes moved around Day 1 to see if any clues can be found on this matter.
my strange take on this is that no mafioso would post this with half an hour before the revelation that Epi had died.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:18 pm4. You'll find out in the morning!Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:01 pmDid you pick me LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:57 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:54 pmI know the person I would pick for this little surprise.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:
A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:
Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained
[End Dialogue]
1. If I'm bad and picked you, voting you might expose you, which would be counterproductive.
2. Maybe...
3. You'd be a liability! Anyway, I think it would be prudent to consider the way the votes moved around Day 1 to see if any clues can be found on this matter.
Honestly, he might.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:31 ammy strange take on this is that no mafioso would post this with half an hour before the revelation that Epi had died.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:18 pm4. You'll find out in the morning!Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:01 pmDid you pick me LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:57 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:54 pmI know the person I would pick for this little surprise.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:
A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:
Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained
[End Dialogue]
1. If I'm bad and picked you, voting you might expose you, which would be counterproductive.
2. Maybe...
3. You'd be a liability! Anyway, I think it would be prudent to consider the way the votes moved around Day 1 to see if any clues can be found on this matter.
Overall conclusion: He's town.
Sheeping is just following someone else’s reads/lead.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:11 pm Also could someone explain salad and sheeping cause I have a vague idea but I want to be sure.
hi im reading day 1 finallysabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.
As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.
I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.
We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir
I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.
