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Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:46 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:45 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:42 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergine

awful game
Why did you switch off tuutuu? Why do you think Creatuee is a better wagon

it's annoying that people are continuing to townread creature when he was saved from the elimination yesterday so im just parking my vote on him to make a point

tutuu is still outed mafia too

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:47 pm**

Also I’m very annoyed that we have two options between SPF and Mac since if Mac is mafia he can “develop” his read of SPF leading him to jump ship to them they’re actually civ we misvote and then Mac can leverage that to ignore Lucy and we go for someone else who’s a civ.

Really today we should table this SPF/Mac thing and find a third mafia member to pursue since there’s too many unknowns right now and like I said Wagon wise the vote breakdown here makes no sense

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:48 pm**

@MacDougall are you now under the opinion that SPF is mafia?

Also what changed your thoughts from like Day 3 or 4 when you suspected them to town reading them

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:50 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:44 pm If we say one of Mac or SPF is mafia, then let’s for shits and giggles assume Porsche is zealot that’s 2 mafia members.

Who are the other 3? I know I’m not mafia, I’m confident Mac isn’t mafia. So that means the second counter wagon which is tuutuu only has 2 mafia on it. So again where are the other 3?

Okay let’s say Creature is mafia (maybe zealot) then what Sabie and Dennis? Both of whom are voting off wagon atm when they’ve got a great argument to vote on wagon against Lucy with the battle lines.

I guess we do have 24 hours mafia could be playing the game here by waiting until the last second, but that’s where my pause is.

I also don’t trust Jack or tuutuu at all. That’s the orher pause

Creature
lucy
tutuu
Jackofhearts2005
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Bereft
Porscha
sig
Dennis
Sabiplz
MacDougall
staypositivefriend

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:50 pm**

@falcon45ca cate to catch up here real fast and give me the following.

1. Thoughts on Mac/SPF

2. Thoughts of wagon breakdown

3. Who the mafia team is

4. What’s the deal with creature

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:53 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:46 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:45 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:42 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergine

awful game
Why did you switch off tuutuu? Why do you think Creatuee is a better wagon
it's annoying that people are continuing to townread creature when he was saved from the elimination yesterday so im just parking my vote on him to make a point

tutuu is still outed mafia too

I thought judgement was activated the night before?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.

Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:55 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:50 pm 4. What’s the deal with creature

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:56 pm**

I hope EOD is four minutes from now. I can't stand one more day blankly staring at this thread.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:56 pm**

For reference, I still understand absolutely none of this game.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:56 pm I hope EOD is four minutes from now. I can't stand one more day blankly staring at this thread.

It’s tomorrow

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm**

Oh goddamnit it's gonna take one more day right?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.
Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.

that does not make logical sense

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:56 pm I hope EOD is four minutes from now. I can't stand one more day blankly staring at this thread.
It’s tomorrow

Shit

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:58 pm**

Is hammer enabled?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:00 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.
Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.
that does not make logical sense

We are as town to assume that

A. The Oracle saw that one of SPF, Macdougall, and ???, played the Judgement card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have played it.
B. The Oracle saw that one of Sig, Porscha, and ???, drew the Death card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have drawn it.

Do you agree or disagree?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:01 pm**

Actually first, do you even agree that the Judgement card was played?

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Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm**

Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.

Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:18 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.
Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.
that does not make logical sense
We are as town to assume that

A. The Oracle saw that one of SPF, Macdougall, and ???, played the Judgement card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have played it.
B. The Oracle saw that one of Sig, Porscha, and ???, drew the Death card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have drawn it.

Do you agree or disagree?

both counts are true and in post game you'll learn how mad spf/sabi were today

carry on, ur doing good work

you understand the game enough to trust me and turbo spf who is the most outed

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?

Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:21 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:02 pm mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

@Porscha vote spf, you haven't, iso jack and me today for your catchup on mech if you are still confused and questions etc

I literally had my vote on spf earlier until fucking mac kept insisting it couldnt be her
Reading this shit getting @ by 4 different people begging me to do the "towny" thing by voting somewhere else is just aggravating me, I'm giving up and parking vote on spf whatever happens after that isnt my problem anymore. The likelihood mac has the answers more than lucy is too low at this point no matter how hard I tr him

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:22 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?
Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be

two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:23 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:21 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:02 pm mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

@Porscha vote spf, you haven't, iso jack and me today for your catchup on mech if you are still confused and questions etc
I literally had my vote on spf earlier until fucking mac kept insisting it couldnt be her
Reading this shit getting @ by 4 different people begging me to do the "towny" thing by voting somewhere else is just aggravating me, I'm giving up and parking vote on spf whatever happens after that isnt my problem anymore. The likelihood mac has the answers more than lucy is too low at this point no matter how hard I tr him

thank you a lot, i know this game has been stressful, there won't be anymore changes with votes

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:24 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:22 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?
Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be
two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

I've been trusting the mech since more or less when i did certain things which you aware of what i did all im doing is just rehashing and reviewing.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:25 pm**

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:25 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:22 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?
Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be
two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

Wait why
I dont want to go over postcap.
I really really dont want to go over postcap

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:27 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:22 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?
Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be
two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

Isn't that against the spirts of the game?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:28 pm**

wait yeah lol

pls dont get yourself removed from the game

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:32 pm**

oops, okay i seriously gotta conserve posts now

ask me 5+ questions and i'll respond but me and jack's iso should have everything

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:16 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.
but yeah sure maybe im just bad and woflsiding and mac is mafia regardless of anything else because the reasoning in this post is bullshit and mac has already explained why it is bullshit multiple times today

Well yes and no. Yes in that I have but no in that I'm mafia lol. I just stopped to read all the cards.

Lucy is pretty obviously saying she Oracle'd you me and Seanzie and one of us had the judgement card. I didn't, and I doubt Seanzie would have stopped the chop? I can't really see how Lucy can be wrong about it so unless you had the judgement card and didn't use it and Creature is Zealot I can't see how you didn't have it? I know you can't claim so it's bad. But like if this is all true I just want to sort Creature first anyway?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:19 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:16 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.
but yeah sure maybe im just bad and woflsiding and mac is mafia regardless of anything else because the reasoning in this post is bullshit and mac has already explained why it is bullshit multiple times today
Well yes and no. Yes in that I have but no in that I'm mafia lol. I just stopped to read all the cards.

Lucy is pretty obviously saying she Oracle'd you me and Seanzie and one of us had the judgement card. I didn't, and I doubt Seanzie would have stopped the chop? I can't really see how Lucy can be wrong about it so unless you had the judgement card and didn't use it and Creature is Zealot I can't see how you didn't have it? I know you can't claim so it's bad. But like if this is all true I just want to sort Creature first anyway?

zealot is in sig/porscha, not creature

also can u make a solve mac

sorry for not playing yesterday btw, now u know why i was demotivated

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:49 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:48 pm @MacDougall are you now under the opinion that SPF is mafia?

Also what changed your thoughts from like Day 3 or 4 when you suspected them to town reading them

I am of the opinion SPF drew the Judgement card yes.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:49 pm**

Voters: tutuu, lucy, DrWilgy, Creature, Jackofhearts2005, Bereft, Porscha

Do we really REALLY believe every single town member is voting as a block right now I mean come on.

I’m 100% convinced SPF isn’t mafia and IF we believe there’s mafia between these two it has to be Mac.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:51 pm**

Also nobody answered my question about who the team is.

We’ve got 1-3 players and that’s it. @lucy who are the five? How do you feel that 7 people are following you right now and that Jack went from being against just following you randomly to treating it like gods word?

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:52 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.

I'm just saying there's no way I can see that Lucy doesn't have confirmation that SPF/myself drew Judgement and I didn't. And if SPF did then Creature is either zealot or SPF/creature are mafia together.

I'm not even saying SPF is mafia. I'm just saying she drew the Judgement card.

And I'm not posting more cuz I don't want to cap like I did yesterday.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:55 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:49 pm Voters: tutuu, lucy, DrWilgy, Creature, Jackofhearts2005, Bereft, Porscha

Do we really REALLY believe every single town member is voting as a block right now I mean come on.

I’m 100% convinced SPF isn’t mafia and IF we believe there’s mafia between these two it has to be Mac.

I can't be mafia from your perspective with how I played eod yesterday and have shielded you. Way to out.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:00 pm**

mac u have 10 posts left, post less thank you

also agree on sig most likely gf

tutuu might be town bc of this team composition

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:01 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:55 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:49 pm Voters: tutuu, lucy, DrWilgy, Creature, Jackofhearts2005, Bereft, Porscha

Do we really REALLY believe every single town member is voting as a block right now I mean come on.

I’m 100% convinced SPF isn’t mafia and IF we believe there’s mafia between these two it has to be Mac.
I can't be mafia from your perspective with how I played eod yesterday and have shielded you. Way to out.

First don’t tell me what my perspective is. It changes duh

Second if Creature isn’t mafia or if you had a way to stop the wagon it makes your defense of me meaningless

Third the fact you’re so quick to call me mafia looks very scummy

Fourth The fact you seem to be ignoring the voting breakdown and the number of votes on SPF makes no sense. The entire mafia team (based off your prior reads) are on her wagon and you’re in game “slowly” coming around to it. It just doesn’t make any sense for a civ mac to do this.

Their are mafia on SPF wagon it’s that simple and there’s no reason why mafia would be voting for their own right now with this breakdown. It also makes ZERO sense that there we had either You or SPF then the thread was flooded with people who only seemed to want to go for SPF. This has to be mafia driven otherwise it makes no sense why it was just decided she’d be the vote vs you.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:01 pm**

Ugh. Sorry, Sabi. I know you’re a they and not a she. They is still just not natural for me to use so I slip sometimes but that’s a me problem, not a you problem.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:02 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:00 pm mac u have 10 posts left, post less thank you

also agree on sig most likely gf

tutuu might be town bc of this team composition

Again showing you aren’t paying attention and you’re acting with biases here. You’ve been gunning for me long before you “solved” it down to 50% mainly since I’ve been pushing back against you having total control.

Why are you suddenly so chill with Mac who in your mind could be no shit is very likely mafia?

I can tell you why, it’s since he’s stroking your ego and coming around to your way of thinking while SPF isn’t

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm**

FTR I still would believe Mac is town over SPF just based on how they treated the mechanical info.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm**

Now the flip side is Sean NKA points to SPF more than Mac as an option.

We have to assume mafia wasn’t aware of what Lucy would do so SPF/Mac would both be locked town.

This is a negative in the SPF column

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:09 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm FTR I still would believe Mac is town over SPF just based on how they treated the mechanical info.

I think it’s more natural for a townie to pushback and remain against it if they’re civ and have a civ read on the other mech player than to flip and think they’re mafia especially with how quickly Mac did so.

Mafia are the only ones to have anything to gain by blindly following Lucy which is what they’re doing.

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:09 pm**

MAc told Lucy their thing was BS then went to bed and came back and was convinced otherwise, what game are you reading????

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:10 pm**

But end of the day I’m still 100% of the mind set that we should vote for another likely mafia member and table this. We flip a different mafia member numbers are still reduced everyone can have time to investigate this further and use cards to our advantage.

Also Lucy still can’t name a full mafia team which RIGHT NOW is vital, shit everyone should be finding 5 players and then looking at the voting breakdowns since like I keep saying there’s no way every townie is on SPF

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:11 pm**

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:09 pm MAc told Lucy their thing was BS then went to bed and came back and was convinced otherwise, what game are you reading????

Okay and? That’s not a natural progression, it’s just as likely to be laying cover for a misvote via TMI.

I don’t see why you’re suddenly so convinced it’s one over the other.

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