The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:42 pm**

Lassie is a cop, nutella. Not talking about the well thing.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:53 pm**

oh I ..... didn't know that
lol

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:54 pm**

[mention]G-Man[/mention] Mac is on the full remaining (Master) team, sig is on the Radish/Sabie (Anti-Monitor) team

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:55 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:36 pm TH, Colin, Sloonei.

Just bus Mac tomorrow kthx.

I actually love this as a proposed set of teammates

I think juliets has a chance of being in there too. but these are good calls.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:58 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:34 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:12 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho
What Dizzy did was put together information that was available in the thread and put it together in a way that made sense. Dizzy did not info dump new information or tell us a tale using secret dead guy knowledge.

Plus as Jules says, there is no role for it. True there are secrets, but possessing a ghost to tell people info that is already in the thread to get sig lynched, well, they could just do that themselves. If Dizzy tried to push knowledge from the grave, I could totally be on board with this "possession" bit, but Dizzy did not do this.

A reread of you is part of my push to reassess my reads, and this post literally made my left eyebrow try to shoot into my hairline, lol. I might make a detour into Doms tunnel
Uh I'm pretty sure that was just a joke? Not a reason to accuse TH of anything but being a sassy bitch tbh

Um yeah they already explained that earlier today, but thanks for pointing out my inability to grasp humor in this format

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:09 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:36 pm TH, Colin, Sloonei.

Just bus Mac tomorrow kthx.
I actually love this as a proposed set of teammates

I think juliets has a chance of being in there too. but these are good calls.

Yeah, I wouldn’t put it past Juliets either.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:46 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:53 pm oh I ..... didn't know that
lol

You totally didn’t

*wink* *wink*

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:53 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:05 pm Lest I encourage bad behavior, I want to point out that Dom gets more emotional as a townie and I need some smart sounding reads right now for my own ego.
I hate to tell you that this isn't true.

But he's saying what my point against Colin has been from day 1. Colin's participation only increases when his team tells him he's in hot water.
I talk more when I have something to say.
When people are talking to me or asking me questions, I have more things to say.
I get it if people agree with you/Mac/etc but my activity is and forever will be NAI these days and a lot of y’all should know better.

It's not your activity level.
It's how conveniently timed it is.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:08 pm Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.
Agreed

Have you seen his baddie game? I have, often up close and personal.

This isn't it. This is more like his common town slank style play. He digs in end game when he's civ, he jumps in early moreso when he's bad.

This is fun watching the thread swing the opposite direction to last night. You guys

I tend to agree with you on Tranq.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:54 pm**

[VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

Night

If someone wants to CFD juliets i don’t mind tbh but the general feeling i get is that the game won’t continue in normal parametres unless sig and mac get lynched

So i will probably take my time to finish my projects and will be checking in more rarely until we’re over with this stalemate and yeah, feel free to mention me in posts cuz i’m probably only checking those for the next few days

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:58 pm**

I have around 10 tabs with Syndicate on my browser on phone. I found this on one of them, pretty sure I wanted to post it at a moment. Until I can concentrate about the game, i will just repost this:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:53 pm I think I like Sloonei, but I don't remember why now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:03 pm**

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:08 pm**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:22 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:20 pm I've had a hard time making reads this game it's such a big game and so much going on while also balancing real life things. I have a hard time keeping up sometimes and I respond when I'm able to to things that make sense to me. I think mac is going after me because I am easy to go after. I'm not a strong player early game and I know that's a weakness of mine because it takes me awhile to get into it. Also I'd like to point out that mac was town reading me and didnt have any problem with me whatsoever until I voted for him. Then all of a sudden I'm bad because I accused him.
My mind is far from made up at the moment. It would help if you could identify a few town reads that you have so far in this game.
tony because he is way more involved and trying to appear civ when he's mafia from what I've seen.
Juliets seems like she's been putting in effort and trying to figure things out.
Epi seems like his usual.
You now that you've gotten more into the swing of things.
Ted seems okay so far aside from being a little less talkative than I've seen before.
Dom seems more towny this game to me.

Sabie may have one scum mate in TRs i think

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:08 pm**

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:09 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:58 pm I have around 10 tabs with Syndicate on my browser on phone. I found this on one of them, pretty sure I wanted to post it at a moment. Until I can concentrate about the game, i will just repost this:
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:53 pm I think I like Sloonei, but I don't remember why now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:09 pm**

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:10 pm**

Do we know how ties are decided?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:10 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:53 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:05 pm Lest I encourage bad behavior, I want to point out that Dom gets more emotional as a townie and I need some smart sounding reads right now for my own ego.
I hate to tell you that this isn't true.

But he's saying what my point against Colin has been from day 1. Colin's participation only increases when his team tells him he's in hot water.
I talk more when I have something to say.
When people are talking to me or asking me questions, I have more things to say.
I get it if people agree with you/Mac/etc but my activity is and forever will be NAI these days and a lot of y’all should know better.
It's not your activity level.
It's how conveniently timed it is.

There is nothing I can say or do as a defense here, other than flipping green. If I am killed because of my "timing," well then shucks.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:12 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:53 am since apparently my inactivity is worrying a few people that i'm calling scum

i have like 39 essays to copy until monday

good luck ^^

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:14 pm**

The idea of opposing wolf wagons with 8 voters each with 20 players is pretty awesome.

Wagonomics ho!

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:16 pm**

I just noticed, Radishes didn't vote in his big counter wagon on Mac. I think is important to know Mac's alignament because of that.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:18 pm**

Jack can you link me the case on Jack?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:18 pm**

on Mac . .
i am idiot

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:20 pm**

Anyway I like more that wagon's composition

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:22 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:10 pm Do we know how ties are decided?

I hope we don't have a tie. Wether is no lynch or a RNG, this sucks.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:28 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:45 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:33 pm I guess that question (why Mac?) is for the thread if anybody else wants to share.
1) Mac has flipped his reads with zero progression
2) Sig accidentally claimed a failed nightkill on Mac, who would not have been protected by the town, pointing to Mac being the bulletproof wolf on the Master’s team.
3) Several players are defending Mac or pressing for alternative lynched to Mac. If Mac is a wolf, he has three teammates.

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:34 pm**

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

And the Sig case is here.

Spoiler: show

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:46 pm OOooooOOooooOooOoOoooo HEAR MY GHOST THROUGHTS oooOOooOoOOOOOOooooooOO

Here's a plead you MUST READ

Please, please, please listen to me and take my post seriously. My credentials are as follows:
- Nanook 1.0 as top town read on D1 = confirmed.
- Radish and Sabie as connected teammates before any of the flipped = confirmed.
- I do not actually suck at this game.

I don't know why scum would want to Janitor me. Obviously I didn't kill myself and obviously I'm not with Radish/sabie and obviously I'm town. My role stays hidden, but that doesn't matter much. Good riddance to the Janitor kill. I 100% expected to be killed btw. What a predictable scum team.

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OooooOOooOoOOOOOOooooo ACTUAL TAKES ORDERED BY THEME IN SPOILERS ooOOOooOoOOOOOOooooo

1. Sig is 100% on the Radish/Sabie team and he actually SCUM SLIPPED.

Spoiler: show
Remember when I said Sabie was 100% on the Radish team because duh, and she flipped as such?
Here's why Sig is on the same team (apart from what's already been brought up by Sloonei and others (good job!)):

- Sig reveals that his team tried to kill Mac on N1, but that the kill didn't go through.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm Also food for thought that I'm workshoping:

N1 there was no kill and Sprityo/Dom started to pursue Mac more heavily. Now there were a few things floating around about that, but given some of the voters on his wagon and how Sabie flipped I think Team 1 tried to kill Mac and it didn't work since he has the one night kill protection. Which led to a push from some of the players on his wagon to flip him to gain civ credit.

The great thing here is that so many people on Radish's wagon had teammate compatibility with both Sabie/Radish.

So we flip Mac and he's mafia, next lynch is Sprityo who's one of the surviving Anti-Moniters and from there it's just the matter of finding the last one of them and then analyzing how people voted to save Mac. Given the last minute swing to stop Mac from being lynched I think his team moved and pushed him over so we'd wanna look at late voters to the Radish wagon. Which adds to my suspicion of Mac.
Sig is talking about his own team here because:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:38 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm There is a civ that can't be nked and two protection roles, Aja and Lassie.
Yea, but I doubt they'd have targeted Mac.

I did think about the civ role, a fair amount. However, I think it's much more likely he's mafia.

Also to Epi, I do plan to finish my case, this phase just caught me at a bad time.

Alternatively to Mac,

I'd say Sprityo is a good lynch followed by an inactive/semi active role. Think a lurker who isn't doing much.

linki: Your back and forth with Dom yesterday, various other posts, your small dick comments, and your entire tone when discussing you.
Here's the actual slip, guys!

When SVS suggests that the no kill on N1 may have been for many reasons, Sig answers with the knowledge that Mac was the actual kill target.

Read it. Sig says he doubts the protective role would target Mac (so that couldn't be the reason why the kill failed.) And then Sig says that he considered that Mac could be the civ role, but that he thinks that Mac is just much more likely mafia (again revealing that Mac was targeted for a NK.)

Digest this.
Again, Sig reveals that he KNOWS THAT MAC WAS THE TARGET FOR THE KILL.

The only explanation is that Sig KNOWS that Mac was targeted for a NK. He would only know that if he was the one targeting him for a NK. This is why Sig is tunnelling Mac, with extra knowledge.

Sig is scum with Radish and Sabie.
Sig not being mentioned (except once) in Sabie's ISO is just icing on the cake. Same with Sig being hedgy about Radish on D1.

2. Mac is probably scum as well

Spoiler: show
Mac is reacting in pure self pres and no interest in finding scum. Sig's tunnelling of Mac supports Mac being scum.
I have one example:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:54 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:53 pm Other than Dyslexicon dying, that was a good night post. I hope my idiocy didn’t help put a target on your back.

I’m not following the team compatibility here, and I need to try to go back and find some of it. Is it being suggested that when it was Mac vs Radish that it was trains on two people from the same team?
TMI on Dyslexicon as town.
This is a terrible deflection onto G-Man. Mac himself said I was the towniest person in the fucking game. Why shade G-Man for assuming the same? It's very obvious that I have a town role. This is bad bad bad deflection on a low hanging fruit like G-Man.

3. G-Man is actually town, and here's why.

Spoiler: show
His posting is not scum, the way he went after me, reconsidered and talks to me after I flip is not scum. I'm a little bit surprised and suspicious that some people has not picked up on this yet. Especially Jimmay I feel should be aware that G-Man is town. (Jimmay: Why? Me: Because I feel like you ignored important points that shows that G-Man is town.) @tedxtr

SVS looks good for sticking up for G-Man imo. Probably. Maybe some other people look good for it too.

I'm pretty sure that my read is right. He could even be a good protection candidate. I know some people have said G-Man looks like a Radish/Sabie teammate, but Sig is their teammate, and then somebody else. Bank it.
4. Why you should definitely lynch Sig/Some genuine advice for the last Anti-Monitor Scum Team member.

Spoiler: show
I believe we should get rid of Sig first because he is absolutely scum. This is where we have the leads.

If someone on the other scum team dies, THEN we can go after the other scum team. If we for example get a confirmation that Mac is scum, then it will be easier to hunt down Mac's teammates, and we can leave the last Anti-Monitor member alone for a bit.

But it should be the Anti-Monitor team's responsibility to blow the game open. Smoke out Radish/Sabie/Sig and the last person until we have an actual confirmed lead on the other team.

And to the Anti-Monitor team: You will definitely lose unless you blow the game open and go for the other team here with your NK.
If you NK town next night I'll say you're about 2% to win, the other scum team is about 50% to win and town 48% to win.
If you NK one of the other team you're about maybe 20 % to win (because town will hunt the other team which is more pressing, which is much better) and the other team is about 30 % to win and town about 50 % to win.
I know this is a lot, but please someone read it and take this further. I can't respond much to all questions and comments. I hope I explained this well. I will post later with more reads and thoughts on who I think the last Radish/Sabie/Sig teammate is. I need to go through some ISO's first.

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Short version:
- Sig scum slipped and should be lynched.
- Mac is very likely on the opposite mafia team than Sig, but it's not confirmed.
- We should go after the Anti-Monitor team until we have a confirmed flip on the other side. Smoke them out.

OOOooOoOooOOOOooOooOoOoOGHOSTSOUNDSOooOoOOOOoOoOoOOoOOOGHOSToOOOOOoOOoOOAVENGEMEOOOooOOoO

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:59 pm OOooooOOOooOOooo HEAR MY GHOSTLY WAILING ooOOOOOOOOoooOooo

I'm not sure I will be able to post my last post before this day ends.
But I just wanted to show how Sig is still 100 % mafia. OoooOOooo

Exhibit A

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:02 pmAlso trying to say I knew since I was on team is a cornering move especially in a game with no infodumping.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:09 pmNot to mention again, how many info roles and items are there?
Sigster, you say: "Remember this could just be an info role or item that I can't talk about!"

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:24 pm For my "slip" I mean really have the people voting for that never played with me?

That was at least my third off the wall theory of the game so far at least do me the honor of building a real case before mislynching me.
At the same time you say: "Remember that I just come up with wild theories out of nothing! This is normal!"

Which one is it? Oh yeah, neither. You can't have it both ways. These are desperate excuses and not genuine.

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Exhibit B

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:18 pmI Literally Don't even see what would be considered a slip here or in the below post?

There was no kill, as soon as this happened multiple players whom are most likely on Anti-MOnitor started going after Mac. Without even reasoning I gave, which is amazing best reasoning ever. One being Sprityo who has high teammate compatibility.
Don't know why this is off topic. Probably a mistake?
What you say is incorrect. Who are these "multiple players most likely on the Anti-Monitor team who went after Mac?" Radish didn't at all. Sabie put a weak ass vote on him, sheeping others. Sprit said he didn't suspect Mac but wanted to vote him anyway.

The one going hard for Mac D2 was you yourself.

And if these were so numerous and obvious, why did you/are you not going after THEM? You've only been interested in Mac and his team, and every add on to finding teammates to the Anti-monitor's team has been "Oh yeah, sure."

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Exhibit C

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:35 pm[Nanook 1.0] reacted really bad, so assuming he'd have flipped mafia then Radish would've been a teammate based off Nanook's overreaction.
Except this was not what you said when I asked you directly about it. When I asked you on D1, you said that Nanook was an independent read from Radish. That they could be teammates, but not necessarily. If what you describe above was what you actually thought, then there would be no reason for you not to vote the Radish wagon D1 considering he had an actual wagon and Nanook didn't.

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Exhibit D

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 pm Worst case Mac isn't mafia we have one mislynch.

BUT say we don't lynch him and let him keep rolling along, they'll keep killing civs and eventually we won't be able to win at all. This is when we still have a margin of error.

More importantly there are 2 roles Sprityo has at this point. If Mac isn't mafia (Very slim chance) Then Sprityo is one of the last members of Anti-Monitors. Potentially last since I still think it's possible Dizzy was mafia.
Mac accused G-Man of TMI-ing that I was town. But this is what an actual TMI look like. Sig has been pretending to think I could be scum (even though it's glaringly obvious I'm not, and he's just been ignoring all evidence to that.) Here he says he thinks I could still be mafia and at the same time warns agains that Mac's team will "keep killing civs" (me) to scare us into voting him thus taking the pressure off his own team.

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To this I say:

I'll be sniping this whole team as long as I have my ghost voice. And I still have it.

Unless, of course, a scum on the other team flips. Then I will use my energy to snipe them instead. They are bigger right now after all. But I would need a lead.

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sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:02 pm haha okay guys, jokes over

time to lynch mac

come on
This won't get you any extra points once Mac flips, you know.

OOooooOoOOOOOOoooOOoOOOoooooo GHOST-DIZZY OOooOoooooOOO FEAR MY WRATH OOooOOoooOOO

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:36 pm**

I just got home from work so I'll be catching up for a little bit.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:37 pm**

And the reason to vote Mac over Sig is basically game theory of that scum Sig strengthens the case on Mac and town Mac weakens the case on Sig.

No matter what Sig’s flip, we lynch Mac next.

Some Mac flips may make Sig less likely to get lynched.

Ergo, there is no reason to delay a Mac lynch whereas there is a slim chance of payoff if we give Sig another day.

If all likelihood, they are both mafia so the decision isn’t all that important.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:45 pm**

And the reason to vote Sig over Mac is like...to show moral support for ghost Dizzy or because Mac is your teammate or whatever.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:46 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:37 pm And the reason to vote Mac over Sig is basically game theory of that scum Sig strengthens the case on Mac and town Mac weakens the case on Sig.

No matter what Sig’s flip, we lynch Mac next.

Some Mac flips may make Sig less likely to get lynched.

Ergo, there is no reason to delay a Mac lynch whereas there is a slim chance of payoff if we give Sig another day.

If all likelihood, they are both mafia so the decision isn’t all that important.

Thanks for help Jack.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:48 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:46 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:37 pm And the reason to vote Mac over Sig is basically game theory of that scum Sig strengthens the case on Mac and town Mac weakens the case on Sig.

No matter what Sig’s flip, we lynch Mac next.

Some Mac flips may make Sig less likely to get lynched.

Ergo, there is no reason to delay a Mac lynch whereas there is a slim chance of payoff if we give Sig another day.

If all likelihood, they are both mafia so the decision isn’t all that important.
Thanks for help Jack.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:49 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:22 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:10 pm Do we know how ties are decided?
I hope we don't have a tie. Wether is no lynch or a RNG, this sucks.

There is a town role that decides ties unless it is dead.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:58 pm**

There's also this to keep in mind:

The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:04 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:58 pm There's also this to keep in mind:
The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

This role is a good reason to lynch Sig — finding the Harbinger is a good way to make town sad.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:04 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:58 pm There's also this to keep in mind:
The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

This role is a good reason to lynch Sig — finding the Harbinger is a good way to make town sad.

This thought is stupid and I’m ashamed to have had it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:08 pm**

This game massively spoils Crisis on Infinite Earths for all you out there that want the absolute worst way to get into comics that doesn’t involve Garth Ennis.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:09 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:58 pm There's also this to keep in mind:
The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

Finish the thought.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:11 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 am After endless debates I have concluded that Dys' slip analysis isn't an actual thing. Also their G-Man read makes little to no sense, although I'd like them to elaborate on how G-man treating their slot was townie. Also, G-man didn't engage with you at all dizzy, he just said "night phase went well except for dys dying" and that's it. @Dyslexicon

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

Sig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

Also also, the "what is ted doing on g-man" when I haven't posted in like 24 hours or something is really bad. Especially when I don't remember juliets even saying anything about G-man, so why even say that?

I can follow sig's train of thought actually.

I'll probably look at TH's push on me at some point but it isn't on my priority list.

So ted you're saying sig could have had TMI because he maybe saw someone target Mac in the night and knew that it was a kill that targeted him? Or is there some other way he could have TMI? I'm not clear on that so please help me out. Also, you say I went hard on a non-sensical case. I didn't think it was a non-sensical case at all. It seemed very straightforward unless I'm totally misunderstanding what Dizzy said.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean about me not mentioning G-Man. I've mentioned G-Man quite a bit. I was even voting him for a while yesterday. I think maybe you've just forgotten.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:48 am juliets, why does my vote stand out to you from the other 5 people off the sig v mac thunderdome? especially when you have no read on g-man.

ted I was just asking why your vote was still on G-Man after we all came to the conclusion he was town. Yours was the only one left at the time. I don't know why you think I have no read on him unless you've just missed my posts. Anyway, you said right be fore this post I think that you weren't here at all so you missed that discussion and that's why your vote was still on him. Makes sense.

Also, I would be helpful if you used the "mention" tag by putting an @ in front of my name when you are talking to me or about me. Thanks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:36 pm TH, Colin, Sloonei.

Just bus Mac tomorrow kthx.
I actually love this as a proposed set of teammates

I think juliets has a chance of being in there too. but these are good calls.
Yeah, I wouldn’t put it past Juliets either.

juliets is town but I don't mind having some suspicion.

I agree with S~V~S and Dom about Tranq. I think I already said earlier why I don't lean wolf on him right now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:12 pm**

If we are going to lynch sig, we should make sure he has at least a 3-vote lead. There's no guarantee that he's the Anti-Monitor, but there is a 1/2 chance (if we're right about his alignment, that is).

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:15 pm**

Additionally, if we tie the poll, or if sig has a 1-2 vote lead over Mac, but mac ends up lynched instead, that's further confirmation that sig is bad.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:16 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:15 pm Additionally, if we tie the poll, or if sig has a 1-2 vote lead over Mac, but mac ends up lynched instead, that's further confirmation that sig is bad.

Nobody move.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:18 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:15 pm Additionally, if we tie the poll, or if sig has a 1-2 vote lead over Mac, but mac ends up lynched instead, that's further confirmation that sig is bad.
Nobody move.

I think you got that backwards

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:22 pm**

OooOOoOoOooooOooOOOOooo FEEL MY GHOSTLY WRATH! oOOoOOoOoOOOOOoooOoo

Hi. Let's be strategic here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:45 pm And the reason to vote Sig over Mac is like...to show moral support for ghost Dizzy or because Mac is your teammate or whatever.

No, sir. You and @[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] are both incorrect. First of all your game theory analysis doesn't work. But never mind that right now, because that isn't that relevant.

***Here's a better reason to lynch Sig first:

It's the Anti-monitor's turn to NK this night. Sig is 100 % an Anti-monitor according to Dizzy ghostly godness. So that will leave only one person left alone on that team. This in turns mean we can isolate that player for the rest of the game with blocking and jailkeeping. Which mean we will have no mafia kills on odd nights. We don't even have to lynch them before lynching the other team.

This way the other team will not inherit the kill, and we can start already today to block or prevent the lone killer to take action.

Therefore:
- Get rid of the 3rd person on the Anti-Monitor team. (Sig)
- Block or jail suspects for the 4th person. (Ted I guess.) You could even plan that whoever is jailkeeper jails Ted, and whoever is JAOT blocks someone else.
- Get a NK free odd night for the rest of the game, plus confirmation of who the last member is.

FUFUFUFUFUFUFU, I just looked at the roles. And if Sig is not the Anti-monitor then this will not actually work, because that role's kills can't be protected against. I don't know the specific mechanics, but it's at least 50 % chance that this works. And the rewards are great.

***Info dump is not allowed. But I assume here that planning an action together (without knowing who will do it) is not prohibited. [mention]Long Con[/mention]

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Tony,

Spoiler: show

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 am I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

You are making the same mistake as Radish. This posturing of confidence makes you look so guilty. You are a prime next target.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 amSig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

But how did Sig know that Mac was the NK target in the first place?
SVS presented that there were numerous ways that whoever was targeted did not die.
Sig only considered that there were ways Mac specifically would have avoided to die.

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[mention]nutella[/mention] , [mention]Epignosis[/mention] I don't know if you remember the game we were final 4 with Scotty as scum. I insisted that he had a mindslip that could only come from scum, and he didn't understand the accusation of all. A lot of the time scum won't understand what about their mindset that is inherently scummy and insist that they didn't slip. I think this is happening here.

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Ultimately - I'm dead. It's your responsibility. But I think the potential rewards of lynching Sig and being able to block one of the NKs is very high. I realize it doesn't necessarily work depending on Sig's specific role, but I do think it's worth a try. I think the mindset that either Sig's or Mac's scumminess is dependent on each other's flip is flawed. One scum flip will mean almost 100 % the other is scum. But a potential town flip will not exonerate either.

However, if you all are more sure that Mac is scum then go ahead, I guess. I don't think Mac is town either.

We're not in a bad position, but I think we should make the most of it anyway. It's very difficult to win a multiball game for town. We are doing well, but we need all tools at our disposal. So my vote is to vote Sig first. /however many cents.

Anyhow, good luck. And I will probably write more reads and stuff next phase. I just felt it was important to point out Sig's scummery.

I can't respond more today after this. Good luck and go town!

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:27 pm**

But ghost of dyslexicon, I don't understand how you can determine that sig is in fact the Anti-Monitor!

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:29 pm**

Times up let's do this LEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEEEN-

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:29 pm**

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:29 pm**

FUFUFUFUFUFUFU, I just looked at the roles. And if Sig is not the Anti-monitor then this will not actually work, because that role's kills can't be protected against. I don't know the specific mechanics, but it's at least 50 % chance that this works. And the rewards are great.

Oh never mind I just read this part. You're guessing the same as the rest of us.

I'm still in favor of lynching sig.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:36 pm**

Lol I know what I’m doing.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:37 pm**

Kissing ghosts and stuff

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:41 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:54 pm @G-Man Mac is on the full remaining (Master) team, sig is on the Radish/Sabie (Anti-Monitor) team

Ok. That helps a little. I wouldn’t expect much teammate shenanigans if Mac is baddie and exposed like this. Sig’s hypothetical teammate is keeping quiet too. I think civs are going to make most, if not all of the noise through EoD.

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