Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/
No. You were here to answer the accusations. Did you actually think that's what I meant? Come on Sig. Wow.
You’re saying not to vote for someone since they’re not here?
Yeah I hate thisDennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:44 amOh cool you do have reasonsNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 amRight but I didn't think you actually wanted to know. And my vote was initially a pressure vote.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:56 amI asked you why you were voting him before and you said it was because it's fun, and because you disagree with me.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:31 amI can very easily articulate a reason why I believe Dennis is scum but would you actually listen? Or am I wasting my breath?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:51 pmNeon doesn't really believe the read because frankly the idea that she's in need of discrediting makes no sense.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:01 pmSo do you think Mac is trying to discredit town leaders or do you think he's just arrived at this solve? Or are you going for the wombo combo where he's discrediting leaders, which involves pushing his partner, sig?Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:29 pm Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.
It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.
With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...
This last sentence has given too much ambiguity (is that the right word)
Think about where her mindset was at prior to me outing my real read.
Mac lock town most obvious town in the game.
Aside from that she was doing very little aside from jokingly claiming mafia when pressured and voting you ... because she didn't agree with my read on you. Which isn't a good enough reason to vote but that's not my point.
She was not in a position where I would need to discredit her. The idea that I decided abruptly to switch my read on someone who, if I was mafia and they are town, I have them hoodwinked entirely, doesn't make sense as a move to be discrediting her... in actuality it doesn't make sense as a wolf move at all.
To clarify the reality, Neon tried to pocket me. I let them believe that it had worked so that I could make associative reads. If I did this to a town, me doing that is more in my town meta than scum meta and given Neon had me as so obvious town as to joke about how obvious I was, switching to scumreading me for something like this is not towny at all.
If you (Dennis) were suspicious enough for her to have been able to articulate a reason to suspect you beyond I disagree with Mac hence I'm voting, then I could humour she thinks I'm concerned that she will single handedly get you over, my wolf teammate Dennis. But you and I both know that we are not wolf teammates lol.
Kinda think I'm wasting my breath.
Given I have already asked, why would you think I'd not be interested?
If you had a real reason, why didn't you say it when I asked the first time?
But see since than Dennis has gradually confirmed my suspicions.
I think Dennis' reads are weak. I don't think he actually believes them. I know Dennis is capable of articulate posts describing his PoV as town. I know Dennis is capable of reads with nuance. I've tried to get Dennis to expand and he's flat out refused or said he can't expand which feels fake to me. It feels like Dennis is flowing through the state of the thread and trying to blend in.
For instance his read on kate was weak and followed the general flow of the thread where Kate was being generally TRd.
His vote on me only came after the flow of the thread wrt me switched and multiple people who had been silent in my slot or flat out lying about their read on me started to sus me.
Further Dennis' memey personality helps vacant, flat. Kinda forced when he does do it but almost missing overall. Like I tend to meme less and post less gifs when I'm wolf because I'm aware that it draws undue attention to me and flat out pisses some people off.
I am never ever confident on D1 about my reads. They will always, and have always come off as hedgy or weak or whatever other synonyms I can't think of. I always feel like I need more time or more posts and I can't come to a conclusion quick so it bothers me when people tell me I'm being hedgy
My read on kate was weak because I'm scared of her lol. I mean yeah I believe I have a pretty good chance of being right but I know what she's capable of as wolf so I'm not full clearing her on D1. I guess what I should have said was "I'm not voting Kate today" or something like that but I for some reason feel like my opinion on Kate specifically had to be out there because of the whole "soul read" thing I think we have
I very rarely vote early in days and I even more rarely vote early D1. I don't know if I even have and my vote on you following thread state is probably a combination of following the people I trust, a sr on you and me thinking "I should probably vote soon". So I guess I am blending a little bit I don't exactly mean to
Shrug emoji to this one, all I can really say is I feel like my personality is showing through MUCH more than my wolf games if you look those through
Falcon's observation holds weight to the point where I wouldn't feel bad voting either of you.
Why would I stay on a 1 vote CW especially when I thought I might miss EoD.
Ooo don’t like this answer
This is a bad readfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Jfc...DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 amHmm... This is a good observation.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Why. My PoE feels pretty thin. You, Neon, Daisy, SixStrings, maybe Matahari, but I've seen players I trust call Mata the pinnacle of towniness so w/e.sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:24 pmOoo don’t like this answer
Here we see... Dennis one again following thread flow and only mentioning reads after multiple other people start to make them. Le sighhhhhhhhhh.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:56 amI was thinking something along these lines. I wasn't gonna bring it up until after sig flips if he does, but Neon wrote a ton about why I'm scum, and then switched to sig which to me it felt like she just wanted her vote there for the civ creditfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:25 pmWhy. My PoE feels pretty thin. You, Neon, Daisy, SixStrings, maybe Matahari, but I've seen players I trust call Mata the pinnacle of towniness so w/e.sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:24 pmOoo don’t like this answer
Can you explain why it's a bad read?Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:24 pmJfc...DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 amHmm... This is a good observation.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolvingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pmYes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolvingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Love you too and gonna trust your judgment. You don’t do aggro when you have teammates, in general, especially on day one.Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:01 amLove youS~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:15 am Hey y'all,
I wanted to let you know I had a death in my family. It was my uncle, and we weren't close, but he was my Dads younger brother and he's pretty broken up, so I'm going to go hang with him today, and probably tomorrow, and will be AFK. I should be back to catch up in the evening so I can make an informed vote.
Thanks for patience.
You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.
I mean even if she’s not mafia she could just be wrong (she is). Join me on the neon wagon insteadS~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:31 pmLove you too and gonna trust your judgment. You don’t do aggro when you have teammates, in general, especially on day one.Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:01 amLove youS~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:15 am Hey y'all,
I wanted to let you know I had a death in my family. It was my uncle, and we weren't close, but he was my Dads younger brother and he's pretty broken up, so I'm going to go hang with him today, and probably tomorrow, and will be AFK. I should be back to catch up in the evening so I can make an informed vote.
Thanks for patience.
Don’t love a sig vote as he gets miselimmed alot, or used to, but I don’t know what the other case is. Sorry dog if I’m wrong.
Why... the fuck... am I not allowed to fucking post less than 200 times without being called scum...
... nobody can read me...
Can you actually explain how it "feels like I know Sigs alignment"DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:26 pmCan you explain why it's a bad read?Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:24 pmJfc...DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 amHmm... This is a good observation.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Where did I say your read on kate was gut?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:29 pmNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pmYes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolvingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
My read on Kate isn’t a gut read it’s a reaction to her gut read
Sup.
Yes it 100% does
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pmWhere did I say your read on kate was gut?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:29 pmNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pmYes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolvingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
My read on Kate isn’t a gut read it’s a reaction to her gut read
Probably notMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm Question is whether it really matters.
Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.
No you both have gut read on playerssig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:40 pmNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pmWhere did I say your read on kate was gut?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:29 pmNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pmYes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolvingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
My read on Kate isn’t a gut read it’s a reaction to her gut read
Wait I might be confused then.
Your post implies our reads on each other are both gut reads.
Kates read evolved (I’d argue it didn’t nor was gut her initial reason anyway but whatever)
While my gut reads haven’t. Which of my gut reads are you referring to then
Yes.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:42 pm I'm going to be kinda frustrated if the team turns out to be SVS and SixStrings or something. Are this point the POE is too wide because a lot of players haven't tried to make themselves readable at all.
THANK YOU! sometimes you need someone else to put what you're trying to say into words.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pmYes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolvingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Except hers hasn’t?Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:42 pmNo you both have gut read on playerssig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:40 pmNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pmWhere did I say your read on kate was gut?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:29 pm
My read on Kate isn’t a gut read it’s a reaction to her gut read
Wait I might be confused then.
Your post implies our reads on each other are both gut reads.
Kates read evolved (I’d argue it didn’t nor was gut her initial reason anyway but whatever)
While my gut reads haven’t. Which of my gut reads are you referring to then
Kates just happens to be on you
Kates evolved yours didn't that's all
random
I agree from a progression stand point. He was a gut town read, but his lack of interaction with me was iffyMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:44 pm That progression between sig and wilgy is in bad faith on Wilgy's part too.
I think Wilgy is my top scumread here tbh.
It has. It was a gut read that she's conf biased into a firm read. As most people do. The only thing giving me pause is that as Mac said she's almost too confident in the flip.sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:47 pmExcept hers hasn’t?Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:42 pmNo you both have gut read on playerssig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:40 pm
Wait I might be confused then.
Your post implies our reads on each other are both gut reads.
Kates read evolved (I’d argue it didn’t nor was gut her initial reason anyway but whatever)
While my gut reads haven’t. Which of my gut reads are you referring to then
Kates just happens to be on you
Kates evolved yours didn't that's all
She’s singularly focused on me and just found nit picking reasons it’s that simple
Will you make up your mind about what my read is based on? It's a totality if circumstances. Stop trying to pick at it piecemeal. It doesn't work that way.sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pmYes it 100% does
The reasoning for her attempt was based off a “slip” this slip didn’t exist
She used it as a reaosn to vote me and I wasn’t mafia. Ergo we’ve seen multiple times of mafia using a fake slip as a reason to vote
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:26 pmWhen she’s mafia is obviously what I mean. I blame phone postinhKate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:27 amYeet.sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:16 amYes sir
Wilgy, Falcon, you, are solid town. The first two for tone and how their banter came across. Now you might say sig didjt you just say fluff is NAI? Well yes I did but whatever.
Neon and SVS are light town reads. SVS responded well to the push and Neon is posting as she normally does.
Kate is my leading mafia read right now. I think she very opportunistically jumped on my wagon and she always pokes/votes me when I’m mafia.
I’d also bet 100% the other mafia member is a low poster but not in the screenshot she sent over.
You’re welcome I solved the game.
Your posts started to get desperate and emotive. Moreover rather than simply trying to survive via burying sig you kept trying to push Dennis which is more likely to indicate you have a genuine read on him given pushing him doesn't help you survive this close to eod.
