Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:28 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:24 pm
I have tried reading this four or five times and every time I start I cant be bothered finishing it. Ear marked for later
I am long-winded, Rondo. I have much to say. Take it in at your own pace.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:29 pm
by Alison
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
Yes. I have never known him to have a mafia game where he was not eager - if I remember correctly, the first time I ever played with him I (incorrectly) wolfread him because his eagerness seemed so over the top I was convinced it was faked.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:29 pm
by Creature
Ok I townread Alison here. Feels very different from the game where she was wolf, but can't point why.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:29 pm
by Alison
I do townread JJJ but not for that reason.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
by robyn
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
Yes. I have never known him to have a mafia game where he was not eager - if I remember correctly, the first time I ever played with him I (incorrectly) wolfread him because his eagerness seemed so over the top I was convinced it was faked.
I tend to wolfread experienced players for being eager (for some reason most of them prefer wolfing because less effort?), but meh.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
Yes. I have never known him to have a mafia game where he was not eager - if I remember correctly, the first time I ever played with him I (incorrectly) wolfread him because his eagerness seemed so over the top I was convinced it was faked.
I tend to wolfread experienced players for being eager (for some reason most of them prefer wolfing because less effort?), but meh.
Most mafia players, in my experience, prefer being town to wolf, regardless of experience level. I am one of the exceptions, but I definitely wouldn't wolfread someone for being eager.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
and also players who may just wolfread him for being the most experienced.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:32 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I have a related observation for you, @Creature. You strike me as less than eager. Spiritually that is typical of your language, but I did anticipate more activity. Are you comfortable?
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
As opposed to games with strangers, where he acts as scummy as possible.
he'd get away with more, therefore he'd act more scummy. implying he'll be less scummy as a wolf with experienced players who know how he plays town/mafia
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
Yes. I have never known him to have a mafia game where he was not eager - if I remember correctly, the first time I ever played with him I (incorrectly) wolfread him because his eagerness seemed so over the top I was convinced it was faked.
I tend to wolfread experienced players for being eager (for some reason most of them prefer wolfing because less effort?), but meh.
Most mafia players, in my experience, prefer being town to wolf, regardless of experience level. I am one of the exceptions, but I definitely wouldn't wolfread someone for being eager.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:37 pm
by Creature
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:32 pm
You strike me as less than eager.
Yes, I guess I got a bad rep of always moaning about the game being unfun.
I can get surges of WIM when I feel like the game is going in a good direction though.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:38 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I always used to say that I have no preference between rolling town or mafia, but these days that's probably a lie I would tell myself to assuage my ego. I play Mafia mostly for the solving.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:32 pm
You strike me as less than eager.
Yes, I guess I got a bad rep of always moaning about the game being unfun.
I can get surges of WIM when I feel like the game is going in a good direction though.
be the fun you want to see in the world
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:40 pm
by NateTheLesser
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:06 pm
What do you like about Boq or Lucy specifically? Is Seanzie slipping your radar or you just don't think his posts are AI?
Boq - I liked that he was reading the thread and replying to things before he made his introduction post. Didn't seem concerned with Making An Entrance.
Lucy - Seems a little less.. intense(?) than her qualifier, a little more comfortable. Trying to get a sense of the player list in an inquisitive way.
Seanzie the most notable thing for me so far was being included in JJJ's list. I'm not saying I disagree with him being in there, just that nothing stood out to me in particular.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:40 pm
by Alison
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:38 pm
I always used to say that I have no preference between rolling town or mafia, but these days that's probably a lie I would tell myself to assuage my ego. I play Mafia mostly for the solving.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:06 pm
What do you like about Boq or Lucy specifically? Is Seanzie slipping your radar or you just don't think his posts are AI?
Boq - I liked that he was reading the thread and replying to things before he made his introduction post. Didn't seem concerned with Making An Entrance.
Lucy - Seems a little less.. intense(?) than her qualifier, a little more comfortable. Trying to get a sense of the player list in an inquisitive way.
Seanzie the most notable thing for me so far was being included in JJJ's list. I'm not saying I disagree with him being in there, just that nothing stood out to me in particular.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:38 pm
I always used to say that I have no preference between rolling town or mafia, but these days that's probably a lie I would tell myself to assuage my ego. I play Mafia mostly for the solving.
Thoughts on Rondo?
So far Rondo is a bit of a clash of micro and macro. A couple little moments have piqued my attention (e.g., the whole talking about TV as a pocket thing) for seeming hyperbolic, for lack of a better word. I wouldn't call Rondo a town read at least.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:38 pm
I always used to say that I have no preference between rolling town or mafia, but these days that's probably a lie I would tell myself to assuage my ego. I play Mafia mostly for the solving.
Thoughts on Rondo?
So far Rondo is a bit of a clash of micro and macro. A couple little moments have piqued my attention (e.g., the whole talking about TV as a pocket thing) for seeming hyperbolic, for lack of a better word. I wouldn't call Rondo a town read at least.
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:24 pm
check out Robert Eggars if you want very good films to make you feel very uncomfortable
trying to get in my pocket are you? Or is it put me in yours? I dont know all the lingo yet but Im watching you
I have had people who I got into a good talk about good tv shows before put a blind spot on me because I didnt want to figure out their slot because we were enjoying each others company. They were wolf and we lost so hard, so I am not letting anything innocent pass
this
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:48 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
What do you mean "micro and macro"?
Aforementioned "little moments" are micro. Macro, I acknowledge that the guy has made more posts than anyone in the game short maybe of lucy. I can't say he's uncomfortable.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:24 pm
check out Robert Eggars if you want very good films to make you feel very uncomfortable
trying to get in my pocket are you? Or is it put me in yours? I dont know all the lingo yet but Im watching you
I have had people who I got into a good talk about good tv shows before put a blind spot on me because I didnt want to figure out their slot because we were enjoying each others company. They were wolf and we lost so hard, so I am not letting anything innocent pass
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:38 pm
I always used to say that I have no preference between rolling town or mafia, but these days that's probably a lie I would tell myself to assuage my ego. I play Mafia mostly for the solving.
Thoughts on Rondo?
So far Rondo is a bit of a clash of micro and macro. A couple little moments have piqued my attention (e.g., the whole talking about TV as a pocket thing) for seeming hyperbolic, for lack of a better word. I wouldn't call Rondo a town read at least.
TV?
Here I was thinking it was more forum mafia acronyms
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
What do you mean "micro and macro"?
Aforementioned "little moments" are micro. Macro, I acknowledge that the guy has made more posts than anyone in the game short maybe of lucy. I can't say he's uncomfortable.
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm
Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
What? I just went through my reasoning
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:52 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:51 pm
Talking about me like I am not here
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
What do you mean "micro and macro"?
Aforementioned "little moments" are micro. Macro, I acknowledge that the guy has made more posts than anyone in the game short maybe of lucy. I can't say he's uncomfortable.
He has 77 posts and I can't think of a single game-related opinion he has other than being slightly suspicious of Lucy for talking about TV too much and then saying he liked a post of Lucy's later on. I don't know if the quantity of his posting is a plus there.
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
What do you mean "micro and macro"?
Aforementioned "little moments" are micro. Macro, I acknowledge that the guy has made more posts than anyone in the game short maybe of lucy. I can't say he's uncomfortable.
He has 77 posts and I can't think of a single game-related opinion he has other than being slightly suspicious of Lucy for talking about TV too much and then saying he liked a post of Lucy's later on. I don't know if the quantity of his posting is a plus there.
>expecting me to care about N0 when I dont even care about D1
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
What? I just went through my reasoning
oh I thought you meant the "I don't think he has any further reasoning" message for some reason
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
What? I just went through my reasoning
oh I thought you meant the "I don't think he has any further reasoning" message for some reason
How do you have trouble remembering something You said?
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
What do you mean "micro and macro"?
Aforementioned "little moments" are micro. Macro, I acknowledge that the guy has made more posts than anyone in the game short maybe of lucy. I can't say he's uncomfortable.
He has 77 posts and I can't think of a single game-related opinion he has other than being slightly suspicious of Lucy for talking about TV too much and then saying he liked a post of Lucy's later on. I don't know if the quantity of his posting is a plus there.
>expecting me to care about N0 when I dont even care about D1
I can buy that someone might be willing to chill through D0 and not give a fuck. I'm just saying it's not a sign of townieness to do so.
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:55 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:54 pm
What do you think of me Rondo?
!rand I dont trust you as much as I dont trust Ender
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
What? I just went through my reasoning
oh I thought you meant the "I don't think he has any further reasoning" message for some reason
How do you have trouble remembering something You said?
I have zero trouble remembering, thought you were referring to a different message
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
What do you mean "micro and macro"?
Aforementioned "little moments" are micro. Macro, I acknowledge that the guy has made more posts than anyone in the game short maybe of lucy. I can't say he's uncomfortable.
He has 77 posts and I can't think of a single game-related opinion he has other than being slightly suspicious of Lucy for talking about TV too much and then saying he liked a post of Lucy's later on. I don't know if the quantity of his posting is a plus there.
>expecting me to care about N0 when I dont even care about D1
I can buy that someone might be willing to chill through D0 and not give a fuck. I'm just saying it's not a sign of townieness to do so.
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
What? I just went through my reasoning
oh I thought you meant the "I don't think he has any further reasoning" message for some reason
How do you have trouble remembering something You said?
I have zero trouble remembering, thought you were referring to a different message
ok maybe I am a bit confused as well lets take a step back on this one and re-assess
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:57 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm
I've played with a lot of players who come from chat mafia - they are almost always chatty and comfortable in that chattiness, regardless of alignment. I think the fact that Lucy is refusing to make reads and is just talking about TV shows means that I'd expect her to be comfortable even if she was a wolf.
I townread her for a post she made afterwards where she asked Seanzie about his age. I think her worrying about adjusting her perspective on his tone based on his age was a sincere thought, and it's not something that many people, especially forum mafia newbies, would think to fake. It reflects a desire to get things right, which I guess is sorta close to what you said about her wanting to make a mark. I'm with you on Lucy right now.
I appreciate this from Alison in a gears-are-turning sense. Despite landing at a similar conclusion to mine about lucy, she expressed some doubt about the process that led me there and didn't merely shrug it away without first engaging the dialogue with me. This serves to provide depth for both of our reads on lucy.
I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?
What? I just went through my reasoning
oh I thought you meant the "I don't think he has any further reasoning" message for some reason
How do you have trouble remembering something You said?
I have zero trouble remembering, thought you were referring to a different message
ok maybe I am a bit confused as well lets take a step back on this one and re-assess
me thinking I caught Lucy in a headspace slip when its just a miscom
Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 0]
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:58 pm
by robyn
ok maybe I am a bit confused as well lets take a step back on this one and re-assess
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