The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am <snip>

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

Jack, I don't know how to explain it other than to tell you nova's to-the-point declarative style:

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:50 pm
His read on Jack is fake. His gripe with the Mac vote and the argument that followed are contrived.

coupled with the fact that I had just found a random vote crystalized the problem with DDL. The fact that I had begun to trust nova and he was so emphatic also helped me over the edge.

Going to read back some now.

I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

I am gonna stick to my guns on speedchuck

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:52 pm Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
speedchuck

Things we haven't looked at for everyone:
Read based on interactions with DDL
Read based on Sabie nightkill analysis

I'm mostly curious what you think anyone (besides Mac) has to gain from specifically killing Sabie?

speed, why is leetic so high on your list? I must have missed it in my read.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok nova I will do that.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:52 pm Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
speedchuck

Things we haven't looked at for everyone:
Read based on interactions with DDL
Read based on Sabie nightkill analysis

I'm mostly curious what you think anyone (besides Mac) has to gain from specifically killing Sabie?

speed, why is leetic so high on your list? I must have missed it in my read.

That list is in alphabetical order.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:05 pm I am gonna stick to my guns on speedchuck

Do you have a secondary suspect?

Not really. I am in the weeds. Haven't really paid all that much attention at all. Only thing I am pretty sure of is my Lunalee civ read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:32 pm Not really. I am in the weeds. Haven't really paid all that much attention at all. Only thing I am pretty sure of is my Lunalee civ read.

At this point that's share by most.

If you want easy things to give an opinion on...

What do you think of Leetic's claim?
What do you think of Nova's effort?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:32 pm Not really. I am in the weeds. Haven't really paid all that much attention at all. Only thing I am pretty sure of is my Lunalee civ read.

At this point that's share by most.

If you want easy things to give an opinion on...

What do you think of Leetic's claim?
What do you think of Nova's effort?

Relatively okay on both of them

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

@speedchuck lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

It's dishonest. The point against him is that Community Leetic showed reservation in claiming and didn't really consider it until it was necessary, here he's hinting at being a power role during the night without being asked to do so at all. He put a target on his back, then he stalled the claiming using the excuse "to not get killed" when what he did already managed that.

To top it all off, he hinted at his role to get a target for his action but ended up going with someone that wasn't suggested.

That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.

... weird mafia janitor thing?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.

... weird mafia janitor thing?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

@speedchuck lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

It's dishonest. The point against him is that Community Leetic showed reservation in claiming and didn't really consider it until it was necessary, here he's hinting at being a power role during the night without being asked to do so at all. He put a target on his back, then he stalled the claiming using the excuse "to not get killed" when what he did already managed that.

To top it all off, he hinted at his role to get a target for his action but ended up going with someone that wasn't suggested.

Oh ok, I didn't think he showed as much reservation in Community as you who was playing the game in real time with him. But you're right, he did let out that hint in this game at night when it wasn't necessary and then stalled saying he didn't want to be killed which is odd. And I appreciate your pointing out the Luna pick as being wonky. I didn't really focus on that at all. So, I'm not feeling as good about leetic as I was before.

linki

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.

... weird mafia janitor thing?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

Mafia Leetic kills Sabie. She flips as a vanilla civ and he gets her real role to himself. He claims that role.

Or something. It just popped into my head. What did Leetic claim, again?

Jailer.

Meh, I dunno.

Didn't Leetic claim AFTER the Sabie kill? [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I completely misinterpreted your post.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

@speedchuck lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

It's dishonest. The point against him is that Community Leetic showed reservation in claiming and didn't really consider it until it was necessary, here he's hinting at being a power role during the night without being asked to do so at all. He put a target on his back, then he stalled the claiming using the excuse "to not get killed" when what he did already managed that.

To top it all off, he hinted at his role to get a target for his action but ended up going with someone that wasn't suggested.

I don't see how the two games were very different - in Community, I hinted at having a good role early on as well. And obviously I wasn't going to block Mac when he had a claim that could potentially be verified.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:23 pm Jailer.

Meh, I dunno.

Didn't Leetic claim AFTER the Sabie kill? Jackofhearts2005 I completely misinterpreted your post.

Leetic hinted at a power role in the night but didn't outright claim until the next day.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.

... weird mafia janitor thing?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

Mafia Leetic kills Sabie. She flips as a vanilla civ and he gets her real role to himself. He claims that role.

Or something. It just popped into my head. What did Leetic claim, again?

Thing is, there can only be three power roles in this game. So what you're saying is I somehow correctly guessed that Sabie had a power role when she gave no hints of having one, which would be a 1 in 7 chance in that scenario (if Mac's telling the truth). Yeah, that theory is nonsense.

Well, 1 in 6 chance but my point still stands.

Yeah that theory is actually non sense lol. And the flip being altered is bastard territory.

Speed/Jack

Lynch them back to back, and voilà!

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

@speedchuck lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

It's dishonest. The point against him is that Community Leetic showed reservation in claiming and didn't really consider it until it was necessary, here he's hinting at being a power role during the night without being asked to do so at all. He put a target on his back, then he stalled the claiming using the excuse "to not get killed" when what he did already managed that.

To top it all off, he hinted at his role to get a target for his action but ended up going with someone that wasn't suggested.

I don't see how the two games were very different - in Community, I hinted at having a good role early on as well. And obviously I wasn't going to block Mac when he had a claim that could potentially be verified.

Eh, you only hinted when you were being pushed there. More cryptic as well, no "who's the most suspicious player" stuff

Or Juliets is playing is us all lol.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm Speed/Jack

Lynch them back to back, and voilà!

Sure.

Coordinate night actions to verify Mac, and make sure Juliets and Nova are as good as they look. You should be able to do that in two day periods.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:22 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm Speed/Jack

Lynch them back to back, and voilà!

Sure.

Coordinate night actions to verify Mac, and make sure Juliets and Nova are as good as they look. You should be able to do that in two day periods.

I look wonderful

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:22 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm Speed/Jack

Lynch them back to back, and voilà!

Sure.

Coordinate night actions to verify Mac, and make sure Juliets and Nova are as good as they look. You should be able to do that in two day periods.

I look wonderful

But ARE you

I am

Juliets is the weakest link with her vote not being very pretty

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

Gimmie your walkie talkie.

I think nova would probably be the best target of a coordinated me and Mac, as we should target someone we're pretty sure is town as mafia might have reason to lie about having received the item.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:55 pm I think nova would probably be the best target of a coordinated me and Mac, as we should target someone we're pretty sure is town as mafia might have reason to lie about having received the item.

Mac should target a suspect.

If Mac targets me, there are 3 scenarios. Scum Mac. Scum Jack. Both town.

If Mac is scum, he must kill me or reduce POE to Jack/Mac. Both are good for the town.

If Jack is scum, I must confirm Mac or reduce POE to Jack/Mac. Both are good for the town.

If both are town, Mac gets confirmed or scum has to shoot Jack.

Basically, we artificially remove Mac or Jack, two of the most suspected players, from the POE.

The btsc isn’t even that important. After playing four games in the past year with btsc but no confirmation, it’s really not that special.

That's going to be real difficult.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 pm That's going to be real difficult.

Why? Mac targets me. Let Leetic target Juliets or Speed, whoever isn’t lynched.

That should remove at least 2 of the 4 top suspects.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 pm That's going to be real difficult.

Why? Mac targets me. Let Leetic target Juliets or Speed, whoever isn’t lynched.

That should remove at least 2 of the 4 top suspects.

'Cause looking at the poll, you're a dead man walking

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 pm That's going to be real difficult.

Why? Mac targets me. Let Leetic target Juliets or Speed, whoever isn’t lynched.

That should remove at least 2 of the 4 top suspects.

That runs the risk of no one getting confirmed though as Epi didn't give a straight answer as to whether I could block the mafia kill. Thus, at least being able to clear someone would be a good step

*3 of them or narrows POE to just Mac/Jack.

Assumes Leetic and Nova are town. Luna is basically confirmed town cause Leet would have to be bad and there aren’t two baddies.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 pm That's going to be real difficult.

Why? Mac targets me. Let Leetic target Juliets or Speed, whoever isn’t lynched.

That should remove at least 2 of the 4 top suspects.

'Cause looking at the poll, you're a dead man walking

So switch your vote to my suspect again.

It’s probably just Speed anyway. He admitted my behavior isn’t like SHP but his case is that I’m bussing just like SHP.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 pm That's going to be real difficult.

Why? Mac targets me. Let Leetic target Juliets or Speed, whoever isn’t lynched.

That should remove at least 2 of the 4 top suspects.

'Cause looking at the poll, you're a dead man walking

So switch your vote to my suspect again.

Tell me why you're a townie, Jack.

25 words or less

Juliets, where are you at currently?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:04 pm Juliets, where are you at currently?

I haven't re-read speed so I need to see if there's anything there that would make me say he's town. (I will read him in the morning). With Jack, I see the DDL case argument but I'm concerned that he might have bussed given he's done it before early in a game. Not voting Mac today because we can see whether he's telling the truth after night two. I'm giving leetic the benefit of the doubt this round because if he is who he says he could be important to us tonight. I'm not voting you and Luna as stated previously.

tl;dr - for me it's between speed and Jack

Jack didn't really have a DDL's case until very late. He highjacked Leetic's remark and DDL's own suspicion of him.

DDL was an already popular baddie read.

"Pretend vote" on DDL

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:23 pm Jack didn't really have a DDL's case until very late. He highjacked Leetic's remark and DDL's own suspicion of him.

DDL was an already popular baddie read.

ohhhhh I didn't think to compare the time lines when I looked at those two in isolation.