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Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:30 pm
by Epignosis
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:42 pm @Epignosis where the hell are you? get your tanned ass in here and weigh in on some of this shit please lol
Well, my ass isn't tan. There's children in the pool, you see. :blush:

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:30 pm
by protocultures
ok ok fine, then im still back to both Carotenoid and Alison being town.

But that still leaves the question, if you are both town, who shot Hally?

Mac plus TSP? Can that be a thing?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:31 pm
by Epignosis
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it? :goofp:
I mean yes unless it helps aliens.
:goofp:
Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.
Spoiler: show
Image
I'm sorry, but
Spoiler: show
I love this. And I can't even read it.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:34 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
nutella wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:23 pm why hasnt tsp appreciated my joak
sorry I didn't quite track

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.
That last like fifteen minutes.

Please.
it was like two pages. I've had other stuff too.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
and it doesn't really have much of an impact on game understanding

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
by Epignosis
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:47 pm Alison's case on me started by her quoting my "Alison is still alien" --> saying my progression on her was weird and then putting words in my mouth.
I agree with this. Not so much the wording, but the sentiment.

To be clear, I don't think a civilian treats Carotenoid that way. I'm a civilian, and while I gave Carotenoid a little shit over the choice to protect me, I'm not making things up to take her down. Alison produced a bunch of assumptions and tried to drown Carotenoid with them. I don't see why a civilian would do that.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:36 pm
by MacDougall
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.
That last like fifteen minutes.

Please.
it was like two pages. I've had other stuff too.
It was like 3 posts.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:36 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.
That last like fifteen minutes.

Please.
it was like two pages. I've had other stuff too.
It was like 3 posts.
well i dunno I didn't read it. How have there been 500 posts today?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:37 pm
by MacDougall
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.
That last like fifteen minutes.

Please.
it was like two pages. I've had other stuff too.
It was like 3 posts.
well i dunno I didn't read it. How have there been 500 posts today?
I dunno I was asleep

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:37 pm
by Epignosis
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:54 pm
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:48 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town"
how does anyone get confirmed town status in this setup through night actions?

like, it's literally impossible because even if one townie clears another, no one has to believe that townie.

you're setting impossibly high standards here and kinda nitpicking on choice of words. the game of mafia is intuition more than it is hard cold facts that we don't always have. probability says to T!Carot that she saved a T!Epi when on an even numbered night only one kill goes through. it's not hard or farfetched to deduce that.

this is like me coming in and willingly putting myself into that pool of suspects who saved nutella by claiming after the event that i did save nutella. i had nothing to gain from being honest about how i used my bunkershot, and everything to lose.

carot has way more paranoia and things to lose than if W!Carot had not made that play. this isn't even taking into consideration dead player analysis, her communication with soneji and rej.

carot is town. i'm sure of that.
I feel like you are hard defending partner now. This game is so confusing.
You're doing the same thing with Alison. :shrug:

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:37 pm
by MacDougall
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm *lasted

fuck pools and suns and tequila
I've always wanted a fuck pool. Jealous.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
by Epignosis
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:56 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:54 pm I feel like you are hard defending partner now. This game is so confusing.
that's how your defences of alison are sounding to us. TMI / teammate-y. weird.
Fuck, dunya. :meany:

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
by Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it? :goofp:
I mean yes unless it helps aliens.
:goofp:
Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.
Spoiler: show
Image
i don't mind but this both doesn't clear you and is also kinda angleshooty.
I don't believe you believe this.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:40 pm
by dunya
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:56 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:54 pm I feel like you are hard defending partner now. This game is so confusing.
that's how your defences of alison are sounding to us. TMI / teammate-y. weird.
Fuck, dunya. :meany:
well, you were tanning your ass and getting drunk. one of us had to do the heavy lifting ;p

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm
by Epignosis
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:23 pm bunker is literally the french word for bunker also

so
:haha: :haha: :haha:

I'm done.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm
by Epignosis
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:26 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:19 pm okay, so then I query why your notes on the paper are in english and not french.
My English is not like "native perfect" but I can still think and function in English :p
Makes you better than half of the USA.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm
by MacDougall
But it's pronounced boon-kair

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:43 pm
by dunya
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm But it's pronounced boon-kair
ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

i demand you say that in the next walrus :haha: :haha: :haha: im crying

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:43 pm
by MacDougall
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:26 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:19 pm okay, so then I query why your notes on the paper are in english and not french.
My English is not like "native perfect" but I can still think and function in English :p
Makes you better than half of the USA.
Image

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:43 pm
by Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm and it doesn't really have much of an impact on game understanding
Terrific. Who's your partner?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:44 pm
by MacDougall
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm But it's pronounced boon-kair
ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

i demand you say that in the next walrus :haha: :haha: :haha: im crying
Oui mon ami.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:44 pm
by Carotenoid
:haha:
You guys are awesome.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:45 pm
by Epignosis
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm *lasted

fuck pools and suns and tequila
I've always wanted a fuck pool. Jealous.
My wife reminded the kids that we filled the pool with a hose.

I told her I wish I had a pool full of hos.

:shifty:

She wasn't impressed. :sigh:

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:46 pm
by MacDougall
Je vis por plaire

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:49 pm
by dunya
so many socky noms on this page damn

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:54 pm
by Epignosis
My preference right now is that either Alison or TonyStarkPrime eat plasma.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:07 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it? :goofp:
I mean yes unless it helps aliens.
:goofp:
Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.
Spoiler: show
Image
i don't mind but this both doesn't clear you and is also kinda angleshooty.
I don't believe you believe this.
I do. It is. Could I like write up a list of notes, time stamp it, screen shot it, and then share it in game two days later as such? It presents clear problems.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:20 pm
by Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it? :goofp:
I mean yes unless it helps aliens.
:goofp:
Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.
Spoiler: show
Image
i don't mind but this both doesn't clear you and is also kinda angleshooty.
I don't believe you believe this.
I do. It is. Could I like write up a list of notes, time stamp it, screen shot it, and then share it in game two days later as such? It presents clear problems.
I am a veteran host on this site.

Please explain to me what the difference is between posting a picture of notes and typing them out.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm
Carotenoid wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it? :goofp:
I mean yes unless it helps aliens.
:goofp:
Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.
Spoiler: show
Image
i don't mind but this both doesn't clear you and is also kinda angleshooty.
I don't believe you believe this.
I do. It is. Could I like write up a list of notes, time stamp it, screen shot it, and then share it in game two days later as such? It presents clear problems.
I am a veteran host on this site.

Please explain to me what the difference is between posting a picture of notes and typing them out.
It's the time stamp thing, or sort of the admission here that "these are old" (which can't be proven but can sort of be based on the state of the notes). I've scanned in pictures of paper notes before, I don't have a problem with that.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:24 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Like the argument is "see you can tell I did this in the not near past" which to me is a problem

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:24 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Like a screen shot of notes I typed up that is dated tuesday at 1:17 or whatever would be a problem

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:26 pm
by Epignosis
I can paste a piece of paper with whatever I want on it and it's not anything more than that.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:26 pm
by Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:24 pm Like a screen shot of notes I typed up that is dated tuesday at 1:17 or whatever would be a problem
Why would that be a problem?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:28 pm
by dunya
I don't get the argument, but I feel the more we talk about it now, the more potentially game breaking it *could* be simply from people's reactions, so let's just move on please ? Leave the discussion for post game maybe?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:29 pm
by Epignosis
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:28 pm I don't get the argument, but I feel the more we talk about it now, the more potentially game breaking it *could* be simply from people's reactions, so let's just move on please ? Leave the discussion for post game maybe?
If you don't get the argument, then why are you asking we stop talking about it?

I get the argument. It's horseshit.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:31 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:24 pm Like a screen shot of notes I typed up that is dated tuesday at 1:17 or whatever would be a problem
Why would that be a problem?
It's out of game information that can't be easily faked and could be used mischievously. Has no place in the game. Here it means something rather specific, since it would allow us to say that we had a specific town mechanical grasp on the game on n3 but not reveal that information until day 5 or whatever, which is substantially easier as town if the time gap can be proven.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:32 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
I don't think it's a big issue here, but I'm just pointing out that I'm not going to touch "look see I did this in the past" because I don't think that argument belongs in the game. The notes themselves are fine.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:33 pm
by dunya
I meant I don't agree with Tony's argument against it.

Like, it feels to me Tony is reverse angleshooting atm and I dont wanna see that now.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:37 pm
by Epignosis
Who is bad Tony?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:38 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
dunya wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:33 pm I meant I don't agree with Tony's argument against it.

Like, it feels to me Tony is reverse angleshooting atm and I dont wanna see that now.
reverse angleshooting is not a thing

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:38 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:37 pm Who is bad Tony?
alison and Dunya

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:42 pm
by protocultures
I understand the argument. Can't comment much because no idea what the rules are here.

An analogy would be posting an encrypted post which needs a password to view it in the future, except you can provide any password you want to create whatever decrypted message you want and the recipient has no idea this is possible.

It's evidence of probative value as to state of mind in the past in a way that cannot be replicated in normal forum play.

No idea what a reverse angle shoot is.

In any event, I found the note from carotenoid amusing given the build up and didn't interpret it as an attempt of advantage play.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:43 pm
by Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:37 pm Who is bad Tony?
alison and Dunya
I think you are half correct there.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:45 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:42 pm I understand the argument. Can't comment much because no idea what the rules are here.

An analogy would be posting an encrypted post which needs a password to view it in the future, except you can provide any password you want to create whatever decrypted message you want and the recipient has no idea this is possible.

It's evidence of probative value as to state of mind in the past in a way that cannot be replicated in normal forum play.

No idea what a reverse angle shoot is.

In any event, I found the note from carotenoid amusing given the build up and didn't interpret it as an attempt of advantage play.
yeah I've made it pretty clear that I don't think carotte was trying anything manipulative. I'm probably also taking this too seriously.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:46 pm
by protocultures
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:43 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:37 pm Who is bad Tony?
alison and Dunya
I think you are half correct there.
This is a spicy take.

So Alison accuses carotenoid. Dunya hard defends carotenoid and scumreads Alison. But to Tony, the team is Alison and Dunya. So they are distancing?

Am I the only one townreading Alison?

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:48 pm
by Epignosis
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:46 pm

Am I the only one townreading Alison?
I believe so.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:57 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Alison/Dunya makes sense for game state reasons and additionally I scumread them both independently. Their interactions are questionable but I think make sense as paired.

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:01 pm
by nutella
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:46 pm Am I the only one townreading Alison?
No XD

Re: Space Invaders [Day 5]

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:02 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
nutella wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:01 pm
protocultures wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:46 pm Am I the only one townreading Alison?
No XD
uh oh it's teh laser