The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:21 pm**

Tbh I think the setup worked well in part because of the playerlist, you guys did a great job with the mechanics and turning them to your advantage. On both alignments.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:24 pm**

It was a fun game, thanks for it Nannynooker. I was glad to be able to approach it from a distance for the sake of my own rest. It made it easier to give the greatest possible effort for one crucial day.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:25 pm**

LC had me tricked the entire game. The rest of the mafia team covered well and got some lucky switches, but LC clearly carried.
Hopefully this meta change entices Sloonei to not lynch me next time.
I will say — not as a complaint — there were some mechanical foibles that complicated this. I think that they made the gameplay more enjoyable, but perhaps not as straightforward. Obviously no setup is clear from those and it’s on me to ask questions about my role if something’s unclear.
Overall, great simple design with a unique mechanic and great play from everyone who didn’t lynch me. I continue my streak of making it to endgame as town and then losing.

I’m in a realms game right now and the claims are flying everywhere. Frankly I like it less for games like that — bigger, more complex. The game is in progress so I won’t speak on it, but in a lot of ways it creates a more mechanical structure without as much room for the kind of work I’ve come to see as standard around here.

Last thing: I seriously almost did shoot LC. I had the PM written out, let it sit over a class, and came back and changed it. Oops.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:25 pm**

Also fun to play with new people!

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:26 pm**

This game is for LC's highlight reel, he was so sneaky

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:27 pm**

I don’t envy Sloonei’s choice here, and under the same circumstances I could have gone the same way.

I’m proud nonetheless of what we avatars were able to accomplish in 72 hours with so little clarity on the game before that.

I never truly read the thread even once. Down with ketchup.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:27 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:16 pm Idk, I think that “no claims but really it’s only no explicit claims” is pretty town sided in an open or semi-open setup where roles are publicly available. But stricter “no claims whatsoever” enforcement leads to more modkills, which isn’t particularly fun for anyone tbh.

So idk, mixed feelings but I usually prefer claims.

"No claims" works (or perhaps only used to work) better when the player base is all part of an insular community that is familiar and comfortable with the rule. It was the norm when I first arrived here, and I hardly recall there being any problems with it. People just knew how to avoid those gray areas. But as we've expanded and new styles have come in, it's clear that most folks don't play that way and often don't want to play that way. The gray area becomes a lot more gray and people wander into it without even realizing. That's nobody's fault and it shouldn't be received as a criticism of anyone anywhere. "No claims" does feel like a bit of a relic these days, but I still like the environment it offers.

But it's obviously much harder to enforce, and I think the best balance between the two is to allow roleclaiming, but to build in mechanics that deter people from doing it en masse. I'm hoping to explore those options in my next game.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:28 pm**

Everything I did early game was awful, when I tried to pretend to do Civvish things it only got me more suspicion. Only when I shut up and stopped trying did opinions on me turn around, culminating in the ultimate "I don't care anymore" gambit.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:29 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:25 pm Also fun to play with new people!

of course! [mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] [mention]ts account[/mention] you guys are great! Thank you for playing, let's do it again sometime.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:29 pm**

The new people were indeed really cool, it made the game really refreshing

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:31 pm**

[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] should be Playmoregameswithusgurl555

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pm**

Hard luck town. We played well. Kudos scum. I learned a lot from this lylo. Epi remains undefeated.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.

That's the part that hurt the most about all this.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:34 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:26 pm This game is for LC's highlight reel, he was so sneaky

I'd heard the stories of vintage LC and observed it from the outside, but this was the first time I'd been personally victimized by it. It's an honor.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm**

Btw I used my shot on N1 on Epi but it missed cuz he didn't have a boat.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.

I would be lying if I said this didn't factor into my determination over the last 48 hours.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:36 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.

Well done old timer. Good to see the old LC come out to the races.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:38 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.
Well done old timer. Good to see the old LC come out to the races.

Thanks. A quote for you from out baddie chat:

Long Con: yes kill Mac that fucker
I don't like what he did to me

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:39 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:26 pm This game is for LC's highlight reel, he was so sneaky
I'd heard the stories of vintage LC and observed it from the outside, but this was the first time I'd been personally victimized by it. It's an honor.

Has it been that long since I did something sneaky?

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:40 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.
I would be lying if I said this didn't factor into my determination over the last 48 hours.

As you were painstakingly trying to determine who had the better non scum claims at lylo it dawned on me that in that scenario looking for who is not the scum will benefit the scum as they have intentionally been playing to both look not scum and also to make a reducing number of players look scum. Should I find myself in those shoes again I will be lynching the player who simply looks least like a townie, not most like the scum. I think Jay summed it up well earlier when he basically reduced the scum to their sum parts on the basis of who was actually trying to game solve.

I don't envy the situation you were in but I learned that much from it so thanks.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:41 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.
Well done old timer. Good to see the old LC come out to the races.
Thanks. A quote for you from out baddie chat:

Long Con: yes kill Mac that fucker
I don't like what he did to me

Haha. May we get into scum chat sir?

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:42 pm**

I think Nanook provided the link already!

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:43 pm**

There we go: https://discord.gg/dCTHy5

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:43 pm**

I posted a link to scum chat at the end of the game for those curious.

Also posted links to dead/spec chat and Jay and Nutella’s chat.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:45 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.
I would be lying if I said this didn't factor into my determination over the last 48 hours.
As you were painstakingly trying to determine who had the better non scum claims at lylo it dawned on me that in that scenario looking for who is not the scum will benefit the scum as they have intentionally been playing to both look not scum and also to make a reducing number of players look scum. Should I find myself in those shoes again I will be lynching the player who simply looks least like a townie, not most like the scum. I think Jay summed it up well earlier when he basically reduced the scum to their sum parts on the basis of who was actually trying to game solve.

I don't envy the situation you were in but I learned that much from it so thanks.

Yeah, if I'd have cast my Day 4 vote at the end of Day 3, we'd have won this game. I should have stuck with that feeling, I guess. But even as this phase wore on I felt like LC's answers resonated more truthfully with me. He sold me at all the right moments.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:46 pm**

"turnip head 30/03/2020
Let's definitely control the game tho"

I really don't think that one worked out at all.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:48 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:26 pm This game is for LC's highlight reel, he was so sneaky
I'd heard the stories of vintage LC and observed it from the outside, but this was the first time I'd been personally victimized by it. It's an honor.
Has it been that long since I did something sneaky?

No!

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:48 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:35 pm Every suspect I can come up with feels underwhelming. That could just mean that the bulk of our activity has been driven by civilians.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:49 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.
I would be lying if I said this didn't factor into my determination over the last 48 hours.
As you were painstakingly trying to determine who had the better non scum claims at lylo it dawned on me that in that scenario looking for who is not the scum will benefit the scum as they have intentionally been playing to both look not scum and also to make a reducing number of players look scum. Should I find myself in those shoes again I will be lynching the player who simply looks least like a townie, not most like the scum. I think Jay summed it up well earlier when he basically reduced the scum to their sum parts on the basis of who was actually trying to game solve.

I don't envy the situation you were in but I learned that much from it so thanks.
Yeah, if I'd have cast my Day 4 vote at the end of Day 3, we'd have won this game. I should have stuck with that feeling, I guess. But even as this phase wore on I felt like LC's answers resonated more truthfully with me. He sold me at all the right moments.

It was fortunate that I was able to answer honestly to almost everything.

GOOD LORD though I almost ruined everything when I fake-claimed to have checked ts account for Assassin. I really checked funnygurl - which led to a successful Speedchuck kill, so I couldn't tell you that or it would have easily looked bad.

So I looked at ts account's role - Researcher - and it seemed safe to say he wasn't an Assassin. Then after I posted, I got a bad feeling, and looked up the character. Assassin. I went immediately into the chat and said "Sorry guys, I fucked up". Came back to the thread for Tony's "FALSE!"

The ironic thing was that I was right about ts account not being an Assassin for official game purposes.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:52 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:32 pmEpi remains undefeated.
That's the part that hurt the most about all this.
I would be lying if I said this didn't factor into my determination over the last 48 hours.
As you were painstakingly trying to determine who had the better non scum claims at lylo it dawned on me that in that scenario looking for who is not the scum will benefit the scum as they have intentionally been playing to both look not scum and also to make a reducing number of players look scum. Should I find myself in those shoes again I will be lynching the player who simply looks least like a townie, not most like the scum. I think Jay summed it up well earlier when he basically reduced the scum to their sum parts on the basis of who was actually trying to game solve.

I don't envy the situation you were in but I learned that much from it so thanks.
Yeah, if I'd have cast my Day 4 vote at the end of Day 3, we'd have won this game. I should have stuck with that feeling, I guess. But even as this phase wore on I felt like LC's answers resonated more truthfully with me. He sold me at all the right moments.
It was fortunate that I was able to answer honestly to almost everything.

GOOD LORD though I almost ruined everything when I fake-claimed to have checked ts account for Assassin. I really checked funnygurl - which led to a successful Speedchuck kill, so I couldn't tell you that or it would have easily looked bad.

So I looked at ts account's role - Researcher - and it seemed safe to say he wasn't an Assassin. Then after I posted, I got a bad feeling, and looked up the character. Assassin. I went immediately into the chat and said "Sorry guys, I fucked up". Came back to the thread for Tony's "FALSE!"

The ironic thing was that I was right about ts account not being an Assassin for official game purposes.

ugh. My response to the role claims was backwards. I thought "speedchuck's role explains Tony's behavior" before I thought "Long Con's role pairs conveniently with speed's."

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:54 pm**

Only the power I got from ts account paired with speed's.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:55 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:46 pm "turnip head 30/03/2020
Let's definitely control the game tho"

I really don't think that one worked out at all.

Yeah but everything else we tried worked, even if it was mostly on accident

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:56 pm**

These were the two moments that influenced my decision the most:

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.
Oh.
Mr. LC, you had just got done ISOing the accused Turnip and then dropped a vote on his Head, only for Sloonei to shove this obnoxious town read back in your face. You barely reacted at all. What was this response?
It was exactly because I had just finished a bunch of work on Turnip Head. Like I said, every time I put effort into the game, it was instantly shit on. That's part of the reason I got a "screw this" attitude. I just spent an hour going through and analyzing Turnip Head's posts, and the only response is the most townread player saying "Turnip Head is town." What am I supposed to say? I just spent an hour saying what I had to say about Turnip Head. Repeat myself? I felt like a nerd who tried to be cool, but then one of the popular kids was like "Ha ha no."

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:55 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:53 pm I ranked all the players and then divided that into groups of 4 because that was roughly how I felt — there were no “huge gaps” in how townie I thought anyone was, no runaway towncore and no obvious scum. Coulda done it all in one running list but I wouldn’t have felt differently about it. It’s not like I type something and that determines what I think about each person
You said yesterday that speedchuck and long con were incompatible. Why?
I really thought it was FG. I changed my mind towards the end of the day (which is visible) when I saw how speed and LC interacted over my power role; it seemed clear that one was covering for the other.
But when I asked you why you thought it was funnygurl your answer was "I don't think it's Long Con."

"Why is it funnygurl?"
"Because it's not Long Con."
"Okay. Why is it not Long Con?"
"Because it's funnygurl."

yes I was hoping no one would notice that. Maybe I was being stubborn.

Long Con's explanation fits perfectly with his behavior and retroactively disarms me a bit. I felt a little bad for having made him feel that way.
Tony, on the other hand, appeared to be caught in a slip.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:57 pm**

All my teammates cased me Day 1 but no one took them seriously

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:08 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:56 pm These were the two moments that influenced my decision the most:
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.
Oh.
Mr. LC, you had just got done ISOing the accused Turnip and then dropped a vote on his Head, only for Sloonei to shove this obnoxious town read back in your face. You barely reacted at all. What was this response?
It was exactly because I had just finished a bunch of work on Turnip Head. Like I said, every time I put effort into the game, it was instantly shit on. That's part of the reason I got a "screw this" attitude. I just spent an hour going through and analyzing Turnip Head's posts, and the only response is the most townread player saying "Turnip Head is town." What am I supposed to say? I just spent an hour saying what I had to say about Turnip Head. Repeat myself? I felt like a nerd who tried to be cool, but then one of the popular kids was like "Ha ha no."

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:55 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:53 pm I ranked all the players and then divided that into groups of 4 because that was roughly how I felt — there were no “huge gaps” in how townie I thought anyone was, no runaway towncore and no obvious scum. Coulda done it all in one running list but I wouldn’t have felt differently about it. It’s not like I type something and that determines what I think about each person
You said yesterday that speedchuck and long con were incompatible. Why?
I really thought it was FG. I changed my mind towards the end of the day (which is visible) when I saw how speed and LC interacted over my power role; it seemed clear that one was covering for the other.
But when I asked you why you thought it was funnygurl your answer was "I don't think it's Long Con."

"Why is it funnygurl?"
"Because it's not Long Con."
"Okay. Why is it not Long Con?"
"Because it's funnygurl."

yes I was hoping no one would notice that. Maybe I was being stubborn.

Long Con's explanation fits perfectly with his behavior and retroactively disarms me a bit. I felt a little bad for having made him feel that way.
Tony, on the other hand, appeared to be caught in a slip.

JJJ said something in spec chat about the second thing. Apparently that was the wrong time to be emotional. I should have flat quoted you the 7 times I'd explained it.
Honestly I was upset because you obviously bought into the first one, but I didn't want to admonish you for feeling bad.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:24 pm**

However tied votes are resolved, that information ought to be public.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:14 pm**

I bragged? Get a load of this guy.

Now I'm satisfied.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:08 pm JJJ said something in spec chat about the second thing. Apparently that was the wrong time to be emotional. I should have flat quoted you the 7 times I'd explained it.
Honestly I was upset because you obviously bought into the first one, but I didn't want to admonish you for feeling bad.

Pay it no mind. In the end you made a substantive push to case LC, and that's all one can ask of you. You also fought long and hard the previous day phase to earn some credit then -- it didn't quite hold up, but them's the breaks.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:14 pm

I bragged? Get a load of this guy.

Now I'm satisfied.

I was waiting for it.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:48 pm**

Well, I died way too early in that one, but good game! The way I handled that EoD was pretty terrible and I guess I'll have to learn for next time.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:04 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:25 pm Also fun to play with new people!
of course! Funnygurl555 ts account you guys are great! Thank you for playing, let's do it again sometime.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:29 pm The new people were indeed really cool, it made the game really refreshing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:31 pm Funnygurl555 should be Playmoregameswithusgurl555

yeeee, thanks for having me!

this game was intense. i haven't had that much fun playing mafia in a while. i think i'm so used to ffr letting me meme around that i don't actually play that much anymore. i'll definitely play here again

also super proud that me and mikey actually worked together on a team 8)

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:11 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:04 pmalso super proud that me and mikey actually worked together on a team 8)

Yes, the you and Mikey team was a thorn in our side, tough to take either of you down like that.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:41 pm**

I want to say that I did not target MacDougall with my power.

My team volunteered me to target Mac with the kill, and I didn't remember they did that.

Hence I was goofy about that business.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:07 am**

did you guys even mean to win this game?

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:08 am**

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:48 pm Well, I died way too early in that one, but good game! The way I handled that EoD was pretty terrible and I guess I'll have to learn for next time.

being the victim of a day 1 mislynch is the most frustrating thing that can happen in this game. sorry.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:15 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:41 pm I want to say that I did not target MacDougall with my power.

My team volunteered me to target Mac with the kill, and I didn't remember they did that.

Hence I was goofy about that business.

And on the flipside I in fact did target you

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:30 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:58 am @Sloonei I think we have chaos merchants and I myself am contributing. So I'd like to just try my best to zen and play this straight.

Do you agree with a POE that contains Long Con, Speedchuck, Radishes and Turnip Head?
I town read turnip and long con, but not enough to remove them from a hypothetical POE. I’d keep epi in there as well.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:57 pm**

Let’s fill this now even though speedchuck is evil.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:35 pm**

And Mac and I are hosting a thing. Could probably use a few more.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 41#p594841

And I'm hosting another sci-fi thing. It definitely could use more.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p585460

Don't like your role abilities? Use your scrap to upgrade your ship and make it more powerful.

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:08 pm**

Personally, I believe Turnip Head deserves more votes. They did a very good job of hiding their spew.

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