Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 4]
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pm
You didn't point out anythingGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pmBesides what Iβve pointed out, whatβs the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pmOk let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone elseseems par for the course with some people on wagon.
@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
Donβt blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:36 pmYou didn't point out anythingGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pmBesides what Iβve pointed out, whatβs the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?
That isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pmNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pmOk let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone elseseems par for the course with some people on wagon.
@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
This is what excessive AtE looks like.
Just what I thought, you have no case.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmDonβt blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:36 pmYou didn't point out anythingGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pmBesides what Iβve pointed out, whatβs the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?
Itβs AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmThat isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pmNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pmOk let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone elseseems par for the course with some people on wagon.
@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
This is what excessive AtE looks like.
Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.
Itβs called ISO or you go to topic view, click on replies and then click on my posts to isolate them.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:40 pmJust what I thought, you have no case.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmDonβt blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:36 pmYou didn't point out anythingGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pmBesides what Iβve pointed out, whatβs the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?
Nah, that's towny.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:43 pmItβs AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmThat isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pmNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pmOk let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone elseseems par for the course with some people on wagon.
@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
This is what excessive AtE looks like.
Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.
If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.
I can't refute something that doesn't exist.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:44 pmItβs called ISO or you go to topic view, click on replies and then click on my posts to isolate them.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:40 pmJust what I thought, you have no case.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmDonβt blame for not seeing it and visit an eye doctor as sn as possible.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:36 pmYou didn't point out anythingGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pmBesides what Iβve pointed out, whatβs the evidence you have that points out to NAA being scum?
You are welcome
Nah, a player like you who is very tactical and meticulous about the way you troll mafia games just dont forget about submitting actions. You just dont, get out of here with that bullshit.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:44 pmNah, that's towny.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:43 pmItβs AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmThat isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pmNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pmOk let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone elseseems par for the course with some people on wagon.
@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
This is what excessive AtE looks like.
Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.
If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.
And no, me telling Marmot that he's wrong isn't AtE. Me saying that he's wrong presumably due to past experience isn't AtE.
Strangely defeatist attitude, considering town has 1/2 the scum team down.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pmCFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
Not trolling.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:56 pmNah, a player like you who is very tactical and meticulous about the way you troll mafia games just dont forget about submitting actions. You just dont, get out of here with that bullshit.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:44 pmNah, that's towny.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:43 pmItβs AtE because you are trying to emotionally blackmail Marmot into unvoting you.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:39 pmThat isn't AtE. AtE would be saying you guys ruined my NYE, implying real life ramifications.Guillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:38 pmNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 pmOk let's not be reasonable by seeing how we can use the extra town KP
NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:26 pm Let's make a bad read, and mechanically bad play and then blame the L on someone elseseems par for the course with some people on wagon.
@LinearPoint see this chain of posts?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.
This is what excessive AtE looks like.
Saying someone is wrong isn't in the same realm.
If you have KP, you should have used it to clear the PoE but you have conveniently forgot to submit actions.
And no, me telling Marmot that he's wrong isn't AtE. Me saying that he's wrong presumably due to past experience isn't AtE.
Nothing you say will change my mind that you are not employing scum tactics to get out of the PoE you got yourself in. You cannot be trusted with anything you say that you will do.
Not gonna lie, i had fell in your pocket, i even believed there was a purpose to your trolling but i went back to read EoD1 and remembered the anger that i felt when i saw Seanzieβs flip and that it was thanks to you who opened that possibility for Sabie to get saved and Im out of your pocket again. What the fuck was i thinking? Right?
Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pmCFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pmWell, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pmCFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:31 pmGive me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pmWell, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pmCFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
My legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdomefalcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:33 pmHow exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:31 pmGive me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pmWell, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pmCFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...
May I ask why you have me as Town?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:35 pmMy legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdomefalcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:33 pmHow exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:31 pmGive me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pmWell, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pmCFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...
Whatβs interesting about hopping onto Wilgyβs wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?
I don't know, I'm waiting to see if interesting things happen as a result of getting the wagons closerGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:39 pmWhatβs interesting about hopping onto Wilgyβs wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?
Because your reaction to my TMI was towny, I think a lot of people acknowledged that which is why they all piled on.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:36 pmMay I ask why you have me as Town?NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:35 pmMy legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdomefalcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:33 pmHow exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:31 pmGive me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pmWell, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pmYeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pm
CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?
Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.
Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...
Marmot comes to mind.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:42 pm Tbh @falcon45ca I think people who sheeped your read, and don't town read you are far more sus.
Pressure? Ok.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:39 pmI don't know, I'm waiting to see if interesting things happen as a result of getting the wagons closerGuillotine wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:39 pmWhatβs interesting about hopping onto Wilgyβs wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?
Honestly, I don't remember. I just went into the night thinking I would disguise as red engineer and kill Sig, so I wanted to check his info today.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:48 pm Also, why does NAA have me as his next lynch w/ a Nook red flip, and then chose to investigate Sig instead?
Marmot could easily be hiding behind "ah, he has pocketed me in the past" to get a mechanically favorable kill for mafia today.falcon45ca wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:45 pm
Marmot comes to mind.NotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 2:42 pm Tbh @falcon45ca I think people who sheeped your read, and don't town read you are far more sus.
Who else do you feel is sheeping me while not TR me?
Yeah I donβt want to make a big deal about it, I think itβs fine but just not an Avenue that will prove productiveMartinGG99 wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 6:39 am.....Okay thenTonyStarkPrime wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 5:20 amlike taking this completely out of the game I would say that this method that you're describing here would be insanely irresponsible and would open up the door for a huge number of problems and should be avoided in all casesMartinGG99 wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 4:58 amHow would it be not random?TonyStarkPrime wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 4:32 am 1) if the setup is anything but random I will be filing a complaint afterwards. the way it is presented strongly presents randomness.
If I were a hypothetical host, I would pick W X Y and Z roles to be mafia. Then the whole list would be randed to the players.
I guess you could rand which roles in said list were mafia, but that seems potentially prone to cause unbalance. I also don't think that's what I would do to a setup that I probably spent awhile carefully crafting so that everyone can have a potentially really powerful or impfactul role.
like you can rand the game and if the rand is exceptionally out of order you can do something about it. Like for philo mafia we i think had to re-rand because the wolves got every single kill power role on the first go around. But even in that game the setup was closed so I felt comfortable doing something like that, I'm not sure if you can do that in an open setup.
to the second post which I'm not quoting here I'm not going to comment on the balance of the game in progress and i have opinions which I will never express
I suppose I am speaking from the biased perspective of a host who recently did that on another site; however, in that game I had clearly out-lined that I had already hand-picked which roles would be mafia before the signups were even posted. In this game, it isn't outlined and I suppose I could see a potential problem with that if the players wanted to know that before-hand. My experience as the host in that game tells me there's very few problems with it because (among other things) mafia went on to stomp the game and not a single town got close to being right; more often than not they had one or two mafia locked in as town if another went down. Nor did anyone ever complain about it.
I'll stop talking about it now though and we can have this post-game. I apologize if this conversation seems angle-shooty or whatever to you, because I clearly don't have (or am aware of) the same values, experiences, or reasons as you do on this at the moment.
Problem is we have to start killing RBs and DocsNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 12:07 pm Can't we just like turn this game into auto? I didn't check exactly... So I'm going to workshop it now.
Roleblockers block Pyros
Medic save on watcher
Watcher watches medic
Medic save on Spy
Spy shoots concensus town pick
12 players, that gives us 2 town kills per day until mafia break the cycle (which should be obvious via actions).
If we count 1 sniper shot, that gives town 5 KP in the next 2 days bringing us to final 5 where if we missed on everything, we would be in LyLo.
Well you havenβt claimed actions and youβve been deliveratively obfuscative and you led a CFD onβ¦ is this a jokeNotAnAxehole wrote: βSat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.