DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Lunalee]

I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?

I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will say a couple things to hopefully get the train rolling:

1. I am less confident in my suspicion of either sprityo or DharmaHelper than I was in my suspicion of Robot.
2. If we want to win this game in historic fashion, then we must get it right. Day 3 is LyLo.
3. Any hunting you all can provide is crucial to helping us get through that LyLo. If I am wrong about anything, the easiest way to discern that is to come to your own conclusions.

[ColinIsCool]

I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?

I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.

[ColinIsCool]

Oops — anything you want me to address, Luna?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Guys don't look now, but Google [Bot] is checking out the thread.

[abyssum]

good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever, people

i can see Jay is doing some analysis and i've elected to completely and 100% ignore it until i look through everyone's ISO on my own

[Turnip Head]

I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?

I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever, people

i can see Jay is doing some analysis and i've elected to completely and 100% ignore it until i look through everyone's ISO on my own

Good idea.

[ColinIsCool]

I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?

I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.

[sprityo]

...can I be a pro at mafia already so I can stop explaining all my actions?

Trust me: a willingness to explain yourself in Mafia is a professional approach.

I wish subtlety and the unwritten code of civvieness were more in vogue. Sometimes you just want to play your own angle and hope that other townies will infer where you are coming from

Burglaries have more of this, that’s why I like them

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Click

[sprityo]

We got this, team. Let's not get complacent. I believe in us.

Let’s go for a flawless game!

Any reaction to J’s accusations above?

It seems like he’s just trying to shove me into a puzzle piece slot that I’ll probably fit in, but the puzzle is gonna look ugly cause he is wrong and I don’t go there.

I have nothing to say in regards to the things he posted except for the last three points in which he frames to promote a worse look. I already explained some of the stuff the first time around when I posted it. The italics post using his negative wording is me enforcing my own philosophy of “I hate voting with no context.” He throws mud on my robot read without taking into account that I went over his interactions post later. He could’ve editted it appropriately but he didn’t. Instead he quotes it separately below and goes like what?

I really don’t want to go through and exhaustingly pick it apart again, on top of I’m short on free time tonight at work

[sprityo]

@sprityo

Click

Thanks jay, way ahead of you

[sprityo]

I’ve got half an hour. Let Er rip

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@sprityo

Click

Thanks jay, way ahead of you

Are you casting suspicion on me in your response to Russ? It looks that way, but it isn’t clearly stated.

[sprityo]

Jay, I’m not obligated to do anything. I can just peace out for the rest of the night, check in whenever. Post/not post. But I ask that you don’t speak for me. Like rephrasing what I’ve said is fine cause I can clarify that. But don’t put words in my mouth

Linki:Jesus, man just cause I didn’t say “jay is supa-town” doesn’t mean I suspect you. I said you worded it badly. Take it as you will

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He throws mud on my robot read without taking into account that I went over his interactions post later. He could’ve editted it appropriately but he didn’t. Instead he quotes it separately below and goes like what?

No, sir. Absolutely not. Let's review:

RobotNerd277 - It's been nearly 48 hours since her last post. Whether that indicates giving up, or simply a lack of commitment to the thread is beyond me. The case against her is....Well I can't recall specifically the case (much like what i said previously in voting for alien last day phase). The GTH leaves Robotnerd as a negative read across our board of 6 players as well. My vote will go here today unless i find something in her short ISO to lead my otherwise. Any direct comments you can give me before i start this JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn't take into account that you went over the interactions post later, because when you wrote this post containing that very read that I "threw mud at", you had not done so yet. I am not going to give you advance credit for something that happens later when I am assessing what happens now (at that relative moment in your post history).

This is the problem. As of that moment, you had no idea what my case was. You seemed to have no idea why Robot was getting so much shit. And yet you still colored her red, as the most suspicious person in your opinion. I cannot figure out why you did that, and to me it looks like you felt like you were obligated to do that.

Jay, my takeaway from your Robot/alien interactions is that they soft defended eachother and at the same time tried to appear not teamed. some weird stuff like that

Which is to say, i think it's a good enough reason, but not on par with what sold me on alien. It's certainly a better argument to lynch robot over DH

These posts came after your reads list, meaning my case had no bearing on your decision to color her red. My case was irrelevant to that post. So why should I have taken this into account then? What sense would that make?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Linki:Jesus, man just cause I didn’t say “jay is supa-town” doesn’t mean I suspect you. I said you worded it badly. Take it as you will

I don't need people to call me "supa-town". That is meaningless. You made accusations:

"he frames to promote a worse look."

"He throws mud on my robot read without taking into account that"

These imply that I have an ulterior motive. They're your words. The first line there literally includes the word "frames", as though I am piecing together a picture with the desire to make you look bad rather than the desire to figure out your alignment.

[sprityo]

“The GTH leaves Robotnerd as a negative read across our board of 6 players as well. My vote will go here today unless i find something in her short ISO to lead my otherwise.“

The piece right below where you quoted.


The same thing coincidentally happened when I voted alien. Aesthetically speaking someone is on the bottom of s list for a reason. Just like there’s a top of the list. The red was simply marking the bottom player, which usually happens to be a person’s biggest suspicion or last choice for town


Linki: so I just have nothing good about me then? Is that it? The closest I got to that was “I can’t count against it.”

[sprityo]

When there’s no contrast in a list of reasons to think about someone. It means either they’re as suspected, good or bad. Or there’s evidence of both good and bad and it should weighed appropriately. And the third which is lack there of

[JaggedJimmyJay]

“The GTH leaves Robotnerd as a negative read across our board of 6 players as well. My vote will go here today unless i find something in her short ISO to lead my otherwise.“

The piece right below where you quoted.

Why do the GTH reads mean anything? Her alignment is not dependent upon that. This is your opinion, not the opinion of the player population at large.

The same thing coincidentally happened when I voted alien. Aesthetically speaking someone is on the bottom of s list for a reason. Just like there’s a top of the list. The red was simply marking the bottom player, which usually happens to be a person’s biggest suspicion or last choice for town

Before you were familiar with my case, what made Robot bad enough that she deserved her own color, her own tier on your list, as compared to other people like DharmaHelper or Turnip Head or Marmot for example?

Linki: so I just have nothing good about me then? Is that it? The closest I got to that was “I can’t count against it.”

If that's your perspective then you haven't thoroughly read what I have said.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When there’s no contrast in a list of reasons to think about someone. It means either they’re as suspected, good or bad. Or there’s evidence of both good and bad and it should weighed appropriately. And the third which is lack there of

I'm not sure what you mean by this in the context of what we're talking about. Could you please restate, and quote whatever point you're addressing?

[sprityo]

Perhaps I haven’t thoroughly read, did “I don’t want to nitpick this apart” Not tip you off to that?

Linki: no, I’m not. When I get a desktop, maybe some sleep I’ll feel up to it. But right now I’m gonna bugger off because I’m only 18 hours into my day and don’t need my cranky ness making me look more stupid than I already have

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Perhaps I haven’t thoroughly read, did “I don’t want to nitpick this apart” Not tip you off to that?

Linki: no, I’m not. When I get a desktop, maybe some sleep I’ll feel up to it. But right now I’m gonna bugger off because I’m only 18 hours into my day and don’t need my cranky ness making me look more stupid than I already have

Do whatchoo gotta do my man. When you return though, it'd be ideal to know who should be lynched if not you.

Remember, Day 3 is LyLo.

[Tsaiah]

[Mention]sprityo[/mention],in post 1146, you respond to Mac's list read on Robot:

@ RobotNerd277 -- Seemed to want to come out firing at me but as soon as I questioned why he melted like butter on a hotplate. Weird and suspicious.

with:

"melted like butter in a hot plate?" You mean he called you out on your bullshit. and then he recognized something he considered worthy enough to be okay, (albeit i never saw what he did)


Could you explain what you were thinking there? How do you get there without having 'seen what he did'?

[Lunalee]

Oops — anything you want me to address, Luna?

Here's my list of things you've done that I think look scummy. Feel free to address any of them.
-Agrees with alien that MP looks scummy for town-reading people on day 0
-Announces he won't be voting for any new players and would rather lynch MP or Mac Only pings me because the two scum we've lynched were both new players
-Feels mostly good about infected alien on day 0, but also says if MP is bad, then Robot Nerd is probably his scum-mate
-"Don't listen to me, I'm out of my groove" This just looks bad. So bad that if Colin were bad surely he wouldn't have posted it? But idk.
-Jay and Colin turn the suspicion away from Alien onto Aby. I'm increasing not feeling the best about Jay, despite his super helpful analysis posts
-Throws out suspicions on Marmot, TH, and myself for being mafia and hanging back in the thread. I just find it interesting he doesn't mention any lynched scum or anyone I seriously suspect right now in this list. Could be mafia throwing suspicions on a list of townies?
-Another reads list, this time Alien is listed as "could be bad" after others have started voicing suspicions
-Throws shade at Kylemii for asking questions about the new players
-I've mentioned it before, but I don't like this post where Colin says the Russ post on Alien looks good, but Alien still looks town for probing Aby, but he doesn't want to go after Russ for it yet.
-Colin and Kylemii's whole interaction. Colin tries to peg Kylemii as scum for doing things Colin would do as scum. I don't like the way Colin looks in this.
-Anxious to "just kill somebody already." This is an easy mindset for scum to slip into, instead of choosing a lynch carefully
-The "lynch me, I dare you" post

I just called out the things from Colin's ISO that pinged me. I did skim over a lot of it, even some redeeming posts he made, like joining the Alien and Robot lynch trains. But I give scum-Colin enough credit to believe he knows how to look pretty good in thread.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

-Jay and Colin turn the suspicion away from Alien onto Aby. I'm increasing not feeling the best about Jay, despite his super helpful analysis posts

I'm sure there are plenty of moments in my posts that might bug an investigator. It's the nature of being a player who talks about everyone in such detail and with such frequency.

[Tsaiah]

[Mention]abyssum[/mention] HAI

And ofc i fell asleep

Gonna run through the last few pages of your iso and spam you a bit (only tagging you once bc i don't feel like typing mention brackets over and over ) while i have a little time before work

@abyssum

Hey, Aby--when you reacted with what felt like alarm bells to something of mine at eod, why was that? Like what were you reacting to and how/why, bc i never did get it

i understood more of your mentality when i thought back on it, so this doesn't apply much anymore, but i'll explain it anyway: you seemed sort of...downtrodden? in a way that i don't really expect to see from you, and i didn't understand why

but i was extra confused by you questioning alien on his usage of "town feathers" because that's just the most Tsaiah-esque phrase i've ever heard

I don't think i ever responded to this, and sorry, i shoulda made that clearer but i was fast typing like a mofo at that point)

But that had nothing to do with the phrase itself, it was about how he kept calling for MP to do town things, and then people told alien they thought he was doing town things, but everything brought up got instant rejection and "that doesn't convince me"--so it felt like he had this Town Things That Would Convince requirement he was asking MP for, but it was nebulous and undefined, and nothing seemed to satisfy it (like, nope, that's not him showing his town feathers either. Next!)

(Also that was -urgency- to address the shit i'd been thinking about for like 24 hours but hadn't been able to get back to do )

[Tsaiah]

You gave select reads on random players in randomised groups with very little structure to the post it's a known scum tell.

What? They're not random players they're the ones I have strong feelings about, and they're not random groups they're 'would lynch vs town'

OOOOH

@Tsaiah come here when you can and tell me what you think about this!!!

This is that thing i eyezoomed at and never got to go look at the list being referenced!

For reference, alien's listaments in question:

"My reads right now - luna/mac I'd be happy lynching. You I think I want to get off you for now. Kyle/Colin/Jay/Aby seem Town. Uhhh, no strong feelings about anyone else right now I don't think? "


(Also god that is so blatantly a scum pov in hindsight, 'would lynch vs town', rather than 'scum vs town' or 'would lynch vs wouldn't' )

With my reads rn, i think that lends something toward luna and mac both being town--people who were in his mind as folks he'd be happy to lynch, but not in his mind as scum, mebbe?

I feel like idk if the town list is as likely to be all town, or if he'da stuck a teammate in there (and it was getting close to eod, so wifom alert for the whole thing really but). I've got strong townreads on two of those already tho, and a strongish spewed/interaction read on a third, so Colin is the only one that feels even remotely possible?

(Also looks like he forgot what some of his own reads were supposed to be, in the heat of thr moment)

[Tsaiah]

Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

i know this isn't in Alien's ISO, but i actually think this may reflect poorly on sprityo & want some input on it

Alien hadn't flipped at this point, so the only people who knew what he would flip were his teammates. the way that sprityo has this post worded sort of has an implicit red flip in it; even though sprityo doesn't say that alien will flip mafia, the emphasis on alien's questions leans that way. (town Alien's questions wouldn't necessarily indicate much of anything but sincerity on Alien's behalf. there's a possibility that sprityo is referring to responses to questions tho)

MP7 noted that this came pretty shortly before alien's actual flip. could be feeling some pressure to appear involved and like he's progressing the game forward

i'm keeping in mind Jay's point about breaking up me/sprityo as teammates, but i thought i'd make a note of it anyway

,
I remember spirityo responded to this at some point i think, but don't remember what he said, gotta dig that up next

I do think it was an odd thing to say before alien indicated what he was gonna flip

The second half of it is actually weird too--[mention]sprityo[/mention], how much of the thread had you read at that time? I remember thinking post-flip oh alien's gonna be a -goldmine- to analyze, could you detail your thoughts behind seeming to think more the opposite?

[Russtifinko]

So sprit, Jay has made a case against you. Cool, whatever.

Tbh, at this point in the game, I don't care about Jay's case. For the purposes of my vote, you could 100% ignore it for now and I wouldn't bat an eye. WHat I do wanna know is, who do you think was teamed with Alien and Robot. I figure we need all hands on deck, and so far tongiht responding to the case has taken you off the baddie-hunting ball.

[Russtifinko]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] see above. I should've Mentioned you there.

[Russtifinko]

Are "infer" and "deduce" the same thing?

Inferring involves making an educated guess as to someone's intent. Deduction involves applying general principles to reach a specific conclusion by eliminating possibilities that do not adhere to those principles (essentially, a POE). So not the same.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] , I was just starting to feel better about you, but...what?

I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?

I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.

Here you seem to be 100% discounting the possibility that you could die tonight. Admittedly, to me you don't look like you'd be a high-priority NK target, but no onw's immune. What gives you such confidence you'll be around tomorrow?

-Jay and Colin turn the suspicion away from Alien onto Aby. I'm increasing not feeling the best about Jay, despite his super helpful analysis posts

You seem to be saying both JJJ and Colin are bad. We don't have confirmation yet, but speculation in the thread is that there should be 3 baddies in this game based on balance. Do you disagree? If so, why, and what do you think the setup is?

You're weirding me out with the direction of these posts, girl. I was just starting to solidify a town read of you.

[Russtifinko]

If I were the ultimate surpreme ruler of the world and I could lynch people in order until this game was solved, here's how I'd do it right now. Subject to change, obviously:

DH
sprit
Luna
TH
Marmot
Colin
Kylemii
Tsaiah
JJJ
Mac
abyssum
M Plus 7

Kylemii and below on the list are people I have basically no interest in lynching anytime soon, barring major changes in reads. For people above that line, the thing that's most going to influence where you are on my list is how hard I feel like you're 1) hunting baddies and 2) communicating your reads with the thread.

[Russtifinko]

Oh! General question: when I used to play, role claiming was a MAJOR no-no, especially in Epi games. I've seen multiple people modkilled for it before. Is that still a thing?

[DharmaHelper]

If I were the ultimate surpreme ruler of the world and I could lynch people in order until this game was solved, here's how I'd do it right now. Subject to change, obviously:

DH
sprit
Luna
TH
Marmot
Colin
Kylemii
Tsaiah
JJJ
Mac
abyssum
M Plus 7

Kylemii and below on the list are people I have basically no interest in lynching anytime soon, barring major changes in reads. For people above that line, the thing that's most going to influence where you are on my list is how hard I feel like you're 1) hunting baddies and 2) communicating your reads with the thread.

[Russtifinko]

If I were the ultimate surpreme ruler of the world and I could lynch people in order until this game was solved, here's how I'd do it right now. Subject to change, obviously:

DH
sprit
Luna
TH
Marmot
Colin
Kylemii
Tsaiah
JJJ
Mac
abyssum
M Plus 7

Kylemii and below on the list are people I have basically no interest in lynching anytime soon, barring major changes in reads. For people above that line, the thing that's most going to influence where you are on my list is how hard I feel like you're 1) hunting baddies and 2) communicating your reads with the thread.

Convince me otherwise!

[Russtifinko]

DH, I know you're trolling in this game and that's cool, but to me these posts look bad for you.

Oh fuck lads and ladies we killed the new fish.

Why do.

Fun to note that the first two lynches look like they're going to be against new players. I mean, you did lynch a mafia D1 so I guess all bets are off but damn lol.

The second quote stuck with me overnight.

I understand the sentiment, because I felt kinda bad about it myself. But now that we've been proven right on both lynches, it seems possible to me that these were designed to defend teammates who were new to the site without getting your hands dirty.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, I know you're trolling in this game and that's cool, but to me these posts look bad for you.

Oh fuck lads and ladies we killed the new fish.

Why do.

Fun to note that the first two lynches look like they're going to be against new players. I mean, you did lynch a mafia D1 so I guess all bets are off but damn lol.

The second quote stuck with me overnight.

I understand the sentiment, because I felt kinda bad about it myself. But now that we've been proven right on both lynches, it seems possible to me that these were designed to defend teammates who were new to the site without getting your hands dirty.

If I wanted to defend them I'd have done more than troll-posting.

[Tangrowth]

FYI won’t be here after all. Full schedule.

[Russtifinko]

DH, I know you're trolling in this game and that's cool, but to me these posts look bad for you.

Oh fuck lads and ladies we killed the new fish.

Why do.

Fun to note that the first two lynches look like they're going to be against new players. I mean, you did lynch a mafia D1 so I guess all bets are off but damn lol.

The second quote stuck with me overnight.

I understand the sentiment, because I felt kinda bad about it myself. But now that we've been proven right on both lynches, it seems possible to me that these were designed to defend teammates who were new to the site without getting your hands dirty.

If I wanted to defend them I'd have done more than troll-posting.

WIFOM, try again.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, I know you're trolling in this game and that's cool, but to me these posts look bad for you.

Oh fuck lads and ladies we killed the new fish.

Why do.

Fun to note that the first two lynches look like they're going to be against new players. I mean, you did lynch a mafia D1 so I guess all bets are off but damn lol.

The second quote stuck with me overnight.

I understand the sentiment, because I felt kinda bad about it myself. But now that we've been proven right on both lynches, it seems possible to me that these were designed to defend teammates who were new to the site without getting your hands dirty.

If I wanted to defend them I'd have done more than troll-posting.

WIFOM, try again.

Nah I'm good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I wanted to defend them I'd have done more than troll-posting.

That's pretty much the point. You didn't want to defend them, because overt defense represents a link between you, but you wanted to do something to dissuade their destruction.

[DharmaHelper]

If I wanted to defend them I'd have done more than troll-posting.

That's pretty much the point. You didn't want to defend them, because overt defense represents a link between you, but you wanted to do something to dissuade their destruction.

Nah.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DharmaHelper has set a new Syndicate record for the most posts ever achieved by a player who doesn't care.

[DharmaHelper]

DharmaHelper has set a new Syndicate record for the most posts ever achieved by a player who doesn't care.

Monumental waste of time and resources to try and tie me to either of the two mafia that've been lynched so far on account of the fact that I'm not mafia.

[Marmot]

This is great news! I'm also two for two.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

*picks nose*

[Russtifinko]

*farts*
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*looks around sheepishly*
*shrugs*

[MacDougall]

Russ is Mafia