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Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:31 pm
by Epignosis
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:28 pm No, I’m definitely town, just don’t have the energy or knowledge to come at this.
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:04 am
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:58 am
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:54 am
Epignosis wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:29 am
Spacedaisy wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:34 am
sprityo wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:19 am Just shoot me.

You won’t do it
I won't do it because you think I'm too scared, or you think I won't do it because you clustering.

I won't use it on someone unless I am fairly confident in their alignment. Because I don't particularly want to end up dead.

But that is hardly a way to convince me of this sprityo. I'm town, it would be better if you convinced me you are town too. I can see a mafia utility in your role, and I can see how Colin's claims seem weak. I'm leaning you too, but I'm not ruling out Kyle or Epi 100%.
I adamantly believe sprityo is bad. My concern lies in if Colin is bad, would he be able to predict the next election and give himself a double vote for Day 6?

I suppose the way your gun works is that it functions as a free lynch (either your target or yourself).
I am going by the assumption that Colin completely made up his role mechanism actually. Especially given he has apparently failed to predict an election yet. I believe he has a function based on prediction but I don't think he gets a double vote. I think it's more likely that it gets him one shot abilities such as strongarm kills etc.
Just to clear things up, I've never targeted you. The Night you departed I had protected Spacedaisy, beveling that surely one of she, Scotty, or Golden/juliets would be the target.
FYI if anyone has any doubt that Epignosis is town, I think this almost clears it up. There is no reason for a Mafia Epignosis to post this. There's no way for anybody to disprove that he targeted me, so it would be in Mafia Epi's best interest to let me believe there are strongarm kills.
He’s playing you completely Mac. He has no reason to make that post except that it portrays him so strongly as town. I have no idea what he does in reality but I am not bad so it has to be him.
That's a textbook mafia hail Mary, not an attempt to fight for a civilian win.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:36 pm
by ColinIsCool
Maybe. :mafia:

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:37 pm
by Epignosis
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:36 pm Maybe. :mafia:
No, it's definitely not an attempt to fight for the civilian win.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:04 pm
by MacDougall
Colin you fooled me real good, didn't fool Golden but you definitely fooled me.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:14 pm
by ColinIsCool
If you think I’ve got you fooled, wait until you hear about Epignosis :grin:

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:39 pm
by speedchuck
juliets wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:22 pm Maybe speed will end the day early.
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Playing Overwatch. Day will end when it ends.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:43 pm
by Kylemii
overwatch doesn't end

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:43 pm
by Kylemii
are you playing with the new mouse guy?

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:57 pm
by speedchuck
Kylemii wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:43 pm are you playing with the new mouse guy?
You mean...

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Wrecking Ball?

Yes.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:09 pm
by juliets
lol thanks speed

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:30 pm
by Epignosis
I used to love Killian's Irish Red (still do), but the brew has a certain malty character it didn't used to have over a decade ago. I thought to myself, "Ah, cut it with bourbon." Bingo. I love Broilermakers, and this works.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:38 pm
by ColinIsCool
I don’t know if I’ve ever had it. I need to get a batch or two of some summer craft brews while the getting is hot, there’s a really great raspberry one that a local brewery puts out.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:39 pm
by Epignosis
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:38 pm I don’t know if I’ve ever had it. I need to get a batch or two of some summer craft brews while the getting is hot, there’s a really great raspberry one that a local brewery puts out.
Ain't nothing craft about Killian's.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:43 pm
by ColinIsCool
Yeah, I’ve never had that. I think I’m gonna help myself to a Guinness or two tonight actually, beer’s on my mind now.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:54 pm
by juliets
Does the day end at 10 central time? I hope so, I can't stay up much longer.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - Day 5: Timelapse Painting

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:55 pm
by ColinIsCool
I think it’s up in a few minutes

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:05 pm
by speedchuck
NIGHT 5


Alright, we're taking a detour. I'm seeing that you booted Colin, but I'm making sure that we're rid of all them Paradox Police.

Welcome... to the Oasis!

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This is a place I can refuel my time tanks, a place warded from all time effects, and a place we can watch the changes take place that we have wrought. Crib fulla future time wizards, time wards, and all that whatnot.

Go in, get an untampered drink, relax. I'm going to make a few phone calls.

*walks away*

Hello. Yes, this is Sammy. The tests went well. Those that remain will be perfect for erasing all traces of muskrats from history. It will be a lot of work, but they can do it. They've been selected, hardened by trials and errors.

But sir, I must ask. Why muskrats?

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. . .

Anyway, yes, it seems that the Paradox Police have been removed. Can you verify? Yes? Splendid. I'll tell them all.

*click*

Well, it seems that you've eradicated the Paradox Police. Good job. Now, we'll be searching for the lost members so that we can continue the tour.

If you would, jump back on the Zepplin. We have a lot of things to do, tours to give, and muskrats to eradicate.

Never mind that last one.


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Coliniscool has been lynched.

TOWN (Juliets, Scotty, Spacedaisy, nutella, Macdougall, Sig, Kylemii, Epignosis, Lapluie, Quin, and Zephyrus) has WON!
Scum (Sprityo, Coliniscool, Lunalee) has lost, despite a very well-played game.
Squidward (Turnip Head) has ascended into godhood! (WON)
Phil Connors (insertnamehere) has lost.

This was a very experimental setup, and I thank you all for taking the time to play it. It didn't end up being as well-balanced as I'd hoped, but we did reach MYLO, and town definitely deserved the win they got.

I'll be putting up some post-game notes, quicktopics, and roles soon. For now, feel free to celebrate/rant.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:09 pm
by nutella
woohoo!!

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:09 pm
by nutella
Btw Daisy the deadchat voted to give you the one shot track

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:10 pm
by Epignosis
I felt like utter uselessness this entire time.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:10 pm
by ColinIsCool
Congrats to the town! :beer:

I already told speed this, but I had fun and liked the craziness of the set-up. Even though every phase was in some respects me wondering what development or mechanic I had to skirt around now, I felt pretty good about our chances until Mac came back and gave me a good smack. Sorry I couldn’t bring home the bacon, sprit and Luna, but I reaaaaaally couldn’t find a way out of this one.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 pm
by Epignosis
You played well Colin. Before MacDougall came back, I would have voted for Kylemii over you.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 pm
by Epignosis
That isn't to say Kylemii didn't play well- he just gives me the creeps.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 pm
by Epignosis
Not the real Kylemii but the Kylemii in this.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 pm
by nutella
I'm sad that I never got to use my role, but glad that it still got to be in the game with a backup

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:13 pm
by Epignosis
I'm going to stop posting now.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:14 pm
by ColinIsCool
Epignosis wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 pm You played well Colin. Before MacDougall came back, I would have voted for Kylemii over you.
I appreciate that. You may have felt useless but your explanation of the breadcrumbs you dropped was the moment I knew without a doubt I was sunk.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:15 pm
by ColinIsCool
Also, I was lying about my role, but I didn’t know it. I just forgot what my role actually did and thought I was telling the truth. :haha:

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:15 pm
by Golden
Well played guys. I’m sorry to have subbed out in the end, in that we were so close! Also, the moment sprit role claimed I was sure he was bad.

Well played, glad to have been part of this win!

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:16 pm
by juliets
Thanks speed for hosting a great game. My role's penultimate action was to bring Scotty back after he died but I needed another night to do that (and speed said it would work even if the mafia killed me the same night). My role card said it was important not to reveal that piece so I knew spirit was bad when he started revealing I was kind of a doctor cause he had to have seen the warning not to reveal that part. I really just kept the spot warm from Golden's spectacular play though and I believe he should be able to fly the winners banner. Also good job everyone I played with.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm
by Golden
Also if I sub out and spend all my time giving you a legacy case before I go - trust it! I knew Colin was bad, it was so evident in that Luna vote!

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm
by Golden
But so pleased you all brought it home.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:19 pm
by ColinIsCool
Golden wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm Also if I sub out and spend all my time giving you a legacy case before I go - trust it! I knew Colin was bad, it was so evident in that Luna vote!
I gotta admit that it’s pretty funny how our downfall came from being teammate compatible with sig, who was nothing but his usual civ self through and through.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:22 pm
by speedchuck
ROLES AND NIGHT ACTIONS AND QUICKTOPICS!


Before you descend into the unbalanced madness that is this setup, I have a few things to say.

1. The election mechanic did not turn out as I thought it would. I should have forseen it becoming entirely town-sided, and powered up Colin's role. He was meant to help get his team elected, and have an arguing point for that. This was the biggest mistake in the setup.

2. The only flavor claim that could effect the game was the Back to the Future flavor claim. I should have made that appear different on either side.

3. Town made a lot of assumptions that paid off, even without flips. I overestimated and way overcompensated for the lack of flips, leading to an overpowered town, then Golden assumed Sig was scum and Mac made some assumptions and the two began pinning the scumteam left and right. Go figure.

4. Lunalee dying early was awful for scum. Her role could move around kills wherever the scumteam wanted them, ignoring protection. I regret not giving the mafia team communal ability use, in that they could discard what they wanted to.

5. There were not three doctors, but it was close enough to shame me.

6. The only person who used the Delayer was Kylemii, and it only did something that really mattered once. I was hoping for more delays on Spacedaisy or protective roles.

7. Thanks for sticking with me. Scum might feel gypped. INH, with his survivor-lite marker role, might feel gypped because TH's role was easier than his. You all might look at the following list and wonder what I was thinking.
But I'm glad you stuck with me, hope you enjoyed the game, and apologize for any host mistakes made (in setup or along the way.) Thanks.
(Man running a game takes a lot out of you, I don't know how some of you guys do it so often)

8. Why would a rolecop not be a good guy role in a no-flip game? Come on guys. I mean, it wasn't, but it totally could have been.

9. Whether or not [mention]Golden[/mention] receives a win for this game is up to whoever handles that. He deserves one. I think scum would have likely won without his input.


THE SETUP/NIGHT ACTIONS

Deadchat 1
Deadchat 2
Deadchat 3

Scumchat 1
Scumchat 2

Grumpychat (AKA The Sex Cave)

*braces self*

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:22 pm
by Golden
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:19 pm
Golden wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm Also if I sub out and spend all my time giving you a legacy case before I go - trust it! I knew Colin was bad, it was so evident in that Luna vote!
I gotta admit that it’s pretty funny how our downfall came from being teammate compatible with sig, who was nothing but his usual civ self through and through.
Luna’s did lol, which is funny. But I admitted to speed that I felt sure you were not sigs teammate. I was sure one of you was bad with Luna, I was hedging on which lol.

Your iso was so thoroughly clean as a whistle when it came to sig, you can see how I just leapt over it in my iso of you.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:24 pm
by speedchuck
Also, if you guys had lynched Kylemii instead and had one more night phase, INH would have won the game.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:24 pm
by Golden
I really didn’t want to make my flavour claim speed. Sorry for that being overpowered.

And thanks for subbing in swimmingly Jules

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:28 pm
by Golden
Also Colin, well held nerve killing Quin instead of me. I used every trick I had to bait you into killing me so I could scum-firm you.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:28 pm
by MacDougall
Hooray. I finally have a win in a full game. Only took 3 years.

I actually really, really sucked this game until I came back as a stump and finally made that case against sprityo. I was wrong about almost everything except the angle shooting on Choutas replacing out and consistently reading scotty as town. Wrong about sig and sooooo wrong about Colin. Wrong going after Epi, Kyle, Golden, wrong on day 1 about nutella and quin. Wrong about spacedaisy at the start. I also thought Lunalee was town at one point.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:29 pm
by MacDougall
Interesting that when I came back there was only one dead scum up until then.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:31 pm
by insertnamehere
tfw Quin screws you over, and you half-indie-claim only to be immediately vigkilled despite having literally the most goddamn benign role I've ever seen in a mafia game

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Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:34 pm
by ColinIsCool
Golden wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:28 pm Also Colin, well held nerve killing Quin instead of me. I used every trick I had to bait you into killing me so I could scum-firm you.
I was really wary of the Scotty relationship and all the dictor shenanigans, it really felt like 5D chess at some points. More luck than anything.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:34 pm
by ColinIsCool
*doctor

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:36 pm
by insertnamehere
But yeah, I would have given the BTSC connection, and the bulletproof vest to the indie role that had the quite difficult win objective instead of the pretty easy one.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:37 pm
by ColinIsCool
Also, I didn’t intend to actually criticize TH’s wincon as a flaw in the set-up, I just seized on it as something to attack in an attempt to thin the numbers/give Luna some time if possible. I hope you can forgive me Turbup.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:37 pm
by insertnamehere
Or at least make it so that Squidward has to guess the election result correctly multiple times. The role is kinda ridiculous.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:38 pm
by insertnamehere
speedchuck wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:24 pm Also, if you guys had lynched Kylemii instead and had one more night phase, INH would have won the game.
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Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:39 pm
by Golden
ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:37 pm Also, I didn’t intend to actually criticize TH’s wincon as a flaw in the set-up, I just seized on it as something to attack in an attempt to thin the numbers/give Luna some time if possible. I hope you can forgive me Turbup.
That was actually the moment I really thought you were bad, because if you were honest about your role it made turnips an extremely coincidental lie if it was one.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:40 pm
by MacDougall
Epi we targeted the same people every night until I was gone. Fortunately mine was a delayed doctor so it was actually working really well.

Re: Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:40 pm
by Golden
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:28 pm Hooray. I finally have a win in a full game. Only took 3 years.

I actually really, really sucked this game until I came back as a stump and finally made that case against sprityo. I was wrong about almost everything except the angle shooting on Choutas replacing out and consistently reading scotty as town. Wrong about sig and sooooo wrong about Colin. Wrong going after Epi, Kyle, Golden, wrong on day 1 about nutella and quin. Wrong about spacedaisy at the start. I also thought Lunalee was town at one point.
And yet you fucking killed it at the end.

I was cheering in the stands for you.