The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

No. I still don't agree with this at all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm I didn't care about your posting rate. I cared about the contributions you were[n't] making in the posts you provided.

And if you don't think that's relevant to your alignment, I don't blame myself for that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm I didn't care about your posting rate. I cared about the contributions you were[n't] making in the posts you provided.

I made contributions. You didn't like them or didn't acknowledge them.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm I didn't care about your posting rate. I cared about the contributions you were[n't] making in the posts you provided.

I made contributions. You didn't like them or didn't acknowledge them.

I definitely didn't like them.

I don't blame Quin or anyone else for not wanting to modkill. It sucks.

I do think it's better than leaving a skeleton in the game though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

No. I still don't agree with this at all.

It should be a host decision no?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

No. I still don't agree with this at all.

This game would have been much better if Penny, INH and Dom were dead by Day 4.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 pm I didn't shoot Epignosis because he was poking me. I just thought his play made him a decent shot to be the unlynchable mafia boss -- and if he is that, I must shoot him during the night phase.

I can't be lynched...

...so I played like that?

Come on man.

How do you play if you're unlynchable?

Why would I tell you that?

Nobody ever believes me, but I'll say it again:

My participation and what I contribute has nothing whatsoever to do with my alignment.

It has everything to do with how much time I have.

People keep saying, "Ah, Epignosis is quieter than usual." It means I'm busy. It means I can't read the thread at work. It means a hundred other things.

"Yes but Night Vale you were very quiet."

I also had a role that had an extra vote and was easily discerned, and so I knew I would be found out eventually (just as I had when I was bad and my vote counted as three in Breaking Bad).

Shooting me was foolish. Let me be lynched if I am to be removed, and if I could not be lynched, shoot me then. That move was a bad one.

People trying to figure me out on the basis of how much I'm posting is also foolish.

I try to read you based on subtle tells from reading your past Mafia games. Hasn't worked yet but I figure it's the best/only way.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

The participation scores we had for a time were a good way to deal with it. Though I never saw them in practice, I guess.

I was planning on mod-killing players who failed to vote for three consecutive days in the game. Nothing to do with posting or with anything but voting. Problem?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:02 pm I don't blame Quin or anyone else for not wanting to modkill. It sucks.

I do think it's better than leaving a skeleton in the game though.

I hate to do it. Did you see that late replacement I made in Image Mafia? I probably broke the clause I wrote myself to avoid a modkill just to put Jack in the game in the last day.

I advise careful analysis and common sense when doing it. Take your time, look for replacements, try to minimize damage.

But sometimes the game is just so full of zombies you gotta light up a flamethrower and get rid of them. It's life.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm I was planning on mod-killing players who failed to vote for three consecutive days in the game. Nothing to do with posting or with anything but voting. Problem?

I wouldn't care for it. I think posting is a proper measure of activity and voting isn't -- unless you require voting in the rules.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

The participation scores we had for a time were a good way to deal with it. Though I never saw them in practice, I guess.

They deal with a single person who goes inactive every game. They don't deal with someone who plays 10 games in a row and flakes the 11th one because of real life. But when that happens, we still need to minimize their damage on the game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

No. I still don't agree with this at all.

This game would have been much better if Penny, INH and Dom were dead by Day 4.

Of course. You're mafia. Two for one.

I wish people would stop signing up for games they can't play.

I was busy as hell but at least still managed to post and vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm I was planning on mod-killing players who failed to vote for three consecutive days in the game. Nothing to do with posting or with anything but voting. Problem?

I wouldn't care for it. I think posting is a proper measure of activity and voting isn't -- unless you require voting in the rules.

It is only the lack of the civ vote that results in inactives potentially breaking the game though?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

The participation scores we had for a time were a good way to deal with it. Though I never saw them in practice, I guess.

That was my idea.

No host ever used it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:08 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

No. I still don't agree with this at all.

This game would have been much better if Penny, INH and Dom were dead by Day 4.

Of course. You're mafia. Two for one.

I wish people would stop signing up for games they can't play.

I was busy as hell but at least still managed to post and vote.

I wish people did a lot of things but they don't. Inactivity is part of the game, like it or not.

Also I know I'm mafia but I'm trying to be objective. Even then this two for one would have benefitted the civs imo. It's higher than the normal bad/civ rate, and it only removes vote power from the baddies.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm I was planning on mod-killing players who failed to vote for three consecutive days in the game. Nothing to do with posting or with anything but voting. Problem?

I wouldn't care for it. I think posting is a proper measure of activity and voting isn't -- unless you require voting in the rules.

It is only the lack of the civ vote that results in inactives potentially breaking the game though?

In a game-deciding scenario, an actively-posting player is going to vote. A player who cannot be judged by anything other than a random number generator (by virtue of not posting) is already screwing up the game.

If someone flakes on one of your games, say "Sorry, you're not signing up for my next one."

If you put a lot of energy in a game and people sign up and don't play, that's bullshit.

That's like breaking a promise.

@ Mac

I usually do the opposite thing actually. Don't care about votes, only posts.

One of the best civ players I know likes to not vote on purpose in early days. Not sure if it's a good idea but he swears by it.

But imo the problem with people not posting is that nobody can read them. It turns the game into slot machine.

I agree, DDL. Those three being modkilled would have been pro-civilian. Hell, even if just the two civilians had been modkilled it would have been pro-civilian. They don't bolster the civ numbers while alive if they never vote, and their absence allows someone else to be lynched who played the game.

Or, gee, I don't know, people can play games they sign up for.

I would estimate fewer than 1 of 5 games I've played or observed have not had participation issues of some sort. It's just part of the game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:17 pm Or, gee, I don't know, people can play games they sign up for.

Yes and what if it rained money and dirt was chocolate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:09 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

The participation scores we had for a time were a good way to deal with it. Though I never saw them in practice, I guess.

That was my idea.

No host ever used it.

Dumb. I'll use it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:17 pm Or, gee, I don't know, people can play games they sign up for.

I agree, but it just doesn't happen. Games get delayed and people get busy before they start. People miscalculate activity. required. Games explode in posts and they can't catch up. They get sick. They get extra work. They stop being active in the site and nobody can find them to ask them to come.

I don't mind P-scores being re-implemented, though. Always thought they were neat.

But yeah I'm modkilling people.

Nope. I'm not using a P-Score.

If you flake on one of my games, you're not playing another.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:22 pm Nope. I'm not using a P-Score.

If you flake on one of my games, you're not playing another.

Totally fair. Like if you come down with a literal emergency or whatever that's different but if you just no show, it's hectic lame.

Imo what Jay really lacked here was a Sloonei. Batman just ain't the same without Robin.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:25 pm Imo what Jay really lacked here was a Sloonei. Batman just ain't the same without Robin.

He thought I was his Robin.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:00 pm Also, late in the game it was clear that nobody should trust me and that it was a cause for suspicion when people still did. Unfortunately though, I couldn't genuinely trust anyone. I have never felt so untrusting of so many players (and that is no criticism since I was horrible in this game). The only person I was sure was a civilian when it ended was wolbre04 -- and he wasn't.

Alright just got home. Sorry Jay for backstabbing you </3 .

This was actually a blast being my first game getting scum in my life. I got to talk and get to know Mac and DDL especially (and Quin a little bit too) and they're wonderful people.
Mac was instrumental in my survival through the first half of the game especially, using his town credit to brush aside any mention of me being scum.
I would like to thank DDL and Mac for their guidance regarding role usage. Many times I struggled with who to target bc I was unfamiliar with people's playstyles over several games, and wasn't always confident in my usage of abiltiies.
That being said, I also want to thank them for not babying me - it really helped me develop as a player and learn how to look at the game from an angle besides my own.

Additionally, thanks to Quin for doing a great job hosting, making sure he was accessible in his busy life, and for setting up such a fun game

Thanks to everyone else who played as well, everyone helped me develop and learn as a player over the course of this game, and I am very grateful <3

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:14 pm Wolbre is the man btw. Dad dicked Jay hard.

Doing what I did actually helped me learn how to be a better town as well: Be accessible, be open to questions, help out, and don't just sit around idly

Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:31 pm Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

You will when they are made.

Also, you played well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:31 pm Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

You will when they are made.

Also, you played well.

Thank you Epi

I actually thought that my redirect ability killed you tbh, as I directed juliets onto you before I knew she wasn't a vig

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:31 pm Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

You will when they are made.

Also, you played well.

They are made. [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] had them ready for me since before it started.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:31 pm Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

You will when they are made.

Also, you played well.

They are made. @Spacedaisy had them ready for me since before it started.

They aren't appearing, it says the file is invalid

Those banners are the best ones I have seen.

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] will you be signing up for and playing more games in the future here?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:31 pm Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

You will when they are made.

Also, you played well.

They are made. @Spacedaisy had them ready for me since before it started.

i'm gettin this tattooed on my lower back

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:49 pm wolbre04 will you be signing up for and playing more games in the future here?

Sources say he just got two friends from his home forum to sign in.

At this rate he's gonna beat dunya in recruitment effficiency.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:49 pm @wolbre04 will you be signing up for and playing more games in the future here?

Yes I absolutely will! I've signed up for Upick, Courage, and Easter as of earlier today in addition to being in Greece atm (and signed up for a witch hunt on my home forum but tbh that'll be awhile). I really, REALLY like it here and the games are organized in structure and the people are awesome.

I got my friends Lochlan (lilifer) and Tyler (Zephyrus) to join from my home forum, as they play mafia there with me too, and many of us have mentioned that it's frustrating now having games to play.

Sorry guys. I don't know why we're getting broken links... working on it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:49 pm @wolbre04 will you be signing up for and playing more games in the future here?

Yes I absolutely will! I've signed up for Upick, Courage, and Easter as of earlier today in addition to being in Greece atm (and signed up for a witch hunt on my home forum but tbh that'll be awhile). I really, REALLY like it here and the games are organized in structure and the people are awesome.

I got my friends Lochlan (lilifer) and Tyler (Zephyrus) to join from my home forum, as they play mafia there with me too, and many of us have mentioned that it's frustrating now having games to play.

You’re a cool cat, wolfbae. I hope you stay and I hope that name sticks

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 11:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:49 pm wolbre04 will you be signing up for and playing more games in the future here?

Yes I absolutely will! I've signed up for Upick, Courage, and Easter as of earlier today in addition to being in Greece atm (and signed up for a witch hunt on my home forum but tbh that'll be awhile). I really, REALLY like it here and the games are organized in structure and the people are awesome.

I got my friends Lochlan (lilifer) and Tyler (Zephyrus) to join from my home forum, as they play mafia there with me too, and many of us have mentioned that it's frustrating now having games to play.

awesome it's nice to see a new arrival to the site hit the ground running like you did. i'm glad you like it here, and i look forward to learning how to read you so you can never trick me again.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:31 pm Can I ask, do we get little banners for winning?

You will when they are made.

Also, you played well.

They are made. @Spacedaisy had them ready for me since before it started.

Well they are working again. Don't know why they weren't before, but this situation pushed me to play around and figure out how we can host our own images for banners. So yeah, that's a plus!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

Strongly agree.


Supposed you have 7 players.

3 are good townies, 2 are inactive townies and 2 are mafia.

Modkilling the 2 inactive townies puts you at lylo. Not modkilling the 2 inactive townies puts you at lylo.

So what modkilling does is mean you play a game of 3 townies vs 2 mafia, which is significantly more fun than a game of 3 townies, 2 mafia and 2 inactives that you have no real way to confirm as town and who won't be voting.



Suppose you have 3 players.

1 is a good townie, 1 is an inactive townie and 1 is an inactive scum. Scumkill is randomized.

I think it is more fun to say the town won by lynching all active scum than to have a game of mafia (that may have lasted a month or two) come down to a coin flip.



This is not to say that the mafia won because of inactive townies. However, the game would have been more fun if several players had been modkilled halfway through.

holy hell, opening this thread should come with a disclaimer for highly smug winners.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 5:40 am holy hell, opening this thread should come with a disclaimer for highly smug winners.

Well, it was a clean sweep after all