Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:24 am
[VOTE:
Dubz ] aubergine happy with both wagons atm
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Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:18 pm
Yeah my read on dubz changed
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 1:14 pm
@S~V~S 
you, Kate, and Roxy know me pretty well. While I was reading isos last night, I did stop to catch up on Silo. It’s too good to miss. And it’s true that I only sign up for these games as a favor to Kate, to help get the games started. But once I’m in, I am committed to it. And wow, this game is fantastic! It’s definitely a different spin on regular mafia games, can’t wait to find out what’s behind all the ??? at end game.
That said, my read-throughs didn’t give me any really hard suspicions like I had with Mac. Probably a good thing, because look how that turned out. But- there was a small thing that has bothered me throughout the game. That is Dubz’ assertion that Nanook could read her. He’s only flopped a bit where she is concerned. She didn’t push him on it much, which could mean a few different things good or bad. But in this game, it feels like more a case of two sins or JD and a sin, not wanting to get the other killed. Dubz saying that Nook could always read her, and him agreeing, was a very definite statement. My vote will go on Nanook, unless I see something more compelling by eod.
The people I have in my PoE are Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook. Everyone else is either town or seems townish. Falcon is like Epi, to me. I cannot ever read them and Falcon hasn’t posted much, so I have no clue about him.
you, Kate, and Roxy know me pretty well. While I was reading isos last night, I did stop to catch up on Silo. It’s too good to miss. And it’s true that I only sign up for these games as a favor to Kate, to help get the games started. But once I’m in, I am committed to it. And wow, this game is fantastic! It’s definitely a different spin on regular mafia games, can’t wait to find out what’s behind all the ??? at end game. That said, my read-throughs didn’t give me any really hard suspicions like I had with Mac. Probably a good thing, because look how that turned out. But- there was a small thing that has bothered me throughout the game. That is Dubz’ assertion that Nanook could read her. He’s only flopped a bit where she is concerned. She didn’t push him on it much, which could mean a few different things good or bad. But in this game, it feels like more a case of two sins or JD and a sin, not wanting to get the other killed. Dubz saying that Nook could always read her, and him agreeing, was a very definite statement. My vote will go on Nanook, unless I see something more compelling by eod.
The people I have in my PoE are Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook. Everyone else is either town or seems townish. Falcon is like Epi, to me. I cannot ever read them and Falcon hasn’t posted much, so I have no clue about him.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:02 pm
Sorry I disappeared again. Apparently all the moving stress made my immune system crap out so now I'm sick, which is fun.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:05 pm
I feel like having a lot of town reads makes sense when there's minimal scum and some of those are able to authentically scumhunt.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:45 pm I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
Idk what you expect pressure to do tbh. Make me...read harder? I can only provide the thoughts that I have. I was serious when I said I'm not comfortable with the thought that JD is in my top scum reads since I'd expect that role to be more active, I just don't know who it is.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:06 pm
How convenient
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:15 pm
the OP says that the votes have to be posted in the thread as well as in the poll.
So despite not having the VC posted often, I will track the votes because I want to check votes intentions and how the wagons moved during D1
This is as close I can get to the VC around P#1182 where Matahari wanted to make a decision between the 3 top wagons but with the intention openly stated to vote tutuu.
On one hand I can't blame her, tutuu gave me a hard time by the way she posted and attracted so much attention, but otoh this is a way to go with the flow and vote in the highest wagon and this doesn't look so good.
I know my wagon was previously at 4 with SVS and Epi on it and also in short time a wagon of 4 votes will pile up on DOOM after Epi voted, Rondo in P#1236 and Jack in P#1244
The dynamic of these t/t/t/t wagons is interesting, I wonder if mafia and sins had much reason to fight for a mischop when town was so eager to do their job.
Eod wagons (the order of votes is not that, but I should continue the VC thingy for it and i got tired)
DaughterOfOmega 1 Epignosis
falcon45ca 1 Seanzie
jackofhearts2005 1 pyxxy
Porscha 10 tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu 7 Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle
2 vanity wagons from sins and no flip in tutuu's wagon except DOOM.
this is probably the post who killed her
So despite not having the VC posted often, I will track the votes because I want to check votes intentions and how the wagons moved during D1
Spoiler: show
On one hand I can't blame her, tutuu gave me a hard time by the way she posted and attracted so much attention, but otoh this is a way to go with the flow and vote in the highest wagon and this doesn't look so good.
I know my wagon was previously at 4 with SVS and Epi on it and also in short time a wagon of 4 votes will pile up on DOOM after Epi voted, Rondo in P#1236 and Jack in P#1244
The dynamic of these t/t/t/t wagons is interesting, I wonder if mafia and sins had much reason to fight for a mischop when town was so eager to do their job.
Eod wagons (the order of votes is not that, but I should continue the VC thingy for it and i got tired)
DaughterOfOmega 1 Epignosis
falcon45ca 1 Seanzie
jackofhearts2005 1 pyxxy
Porscha 10 tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu 7 Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle
2 vanity wagons from sins and no flip in tutuu's wagon except DOOM.
this is probably the post who killed her
Going to post this though and taking a break.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:16 pm
If it helps, nanook was blocked because of me
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:18 pm
Clarifying, you think DOOM died because she voted for Epi?Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:15 pm the OP says that the votes have to be posted in the thread as well as in the poll.
So despite not having the VC posted often, I will track the votes because I want to check votes intentions and how the wagons moved during D1This is as close I can get to the VC around P#1182 where Matahari wanted to make a decision between the 3 top wagons but with the intention openly stated to vote tutuu.Spoiler: show
On one hand I can't blame her, tutuu gave me a hard time by the way she posted and attracted so much attention, but otoh this is a way to go with the flow and vote in the highest wagon and this doesn't look so good.
I know my wagon was previously at 4 with SVS and Epi on it and also in short time a wagon of 4 votes will pile up on DOOM after Epi voted, Rondo in P#1236 and Jack in P#1244
The dynamic of these t/t/t/t wagons is interesting, I wonder if mafia and sins had much reason to fight for a mischop when town was so eager to do their job.
Eod wagons (the order of votes is not that, but I should continue the VC thingy for it and i got tired)
DaughterOfOmega 1 Epignosis
falcon45ca 1 Seanzie
jackofhearts2005 1 pyxxy
Porscha 10 tutuu, MacDougall, RondoDimBuckle, Roxy, Zenon, Jackofhearts2005, Thunal33, Dennis, Kate, falcon45ca
Seanzie 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu 7 Matahari, Porscha, DrWilgy, DaughterOfOmega, Dubz, S~V~S, Michelle
2 vanity wagons from sins and no flip in tutuu's wagon except DOOM.
this is probably the post who killed herGoing to post this though and taking a break.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:40 pm
Okay this and your post about me doing "nothing but ATE" actually pisses me off after I spent a ton of time ISOing people and trying to get reads on everyone, and engaging with people while I could be here.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:36 pm Vibe, Mata has been doing things Dubz has been existing.
What exactly has Mata done, at all, except push villagers on the rare occasions when she actually gave reads, and talk about mechanics? Like, if Mata has been doing town-indicative things it certainly hasn't been on the thread.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:42 pm
Sorry not sorryNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:40 pm Second, whomever blocked me last night, youre a salty bitch
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:44 pm
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:50 pm
Unsure
Deaths in general but (especially n1 deaths because they're sometimes kinda random) are always a crapshoot to analyze for me, especially without knowing anyone's metas
I was just wondering because it would imply JD does know the identities of the sins, if the goal was to protect Epi.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:53 pm
I am quite sure of it.Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:50 pmUnsure
Deaths in general but (especially n1 deaths because they're sometimes kinda random) are always a crapshoot to analyze for me, especially without knowing anyone's metas
I was just wondering because it would imply JD does know the identities of the sins, if the goal was to protect Epi.
Mafia has to be informed.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:54 pm
who you blocked the other nights?Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:42 pmSorry not sorryNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:40 pm Second, whomever blocked me last night, youre a salty bitch
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:55 pm
Eh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:41 pmHonestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:37 pm Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:03 pm
It's not exactly that simple, but I would have blocked tutuu n2
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:05 pm
Is this a serious consideration? Like did I miss something where we have evidence to suggest that this is happening?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:45 am Nook is easily a sin, but because of all the talk about him being a sin d3 it is unlikely he is JD today IF mac was right about the switching of JD
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:12 pm
If the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?
This kinda goes back to your post here too:
I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:16 pm
The fact that Mac said he tracked Kate to Dennis before Sean volunteered his info, and then Mac seemed very perturbed afterwards is what made me more suspicious of Mac. I posted again about this, because I wanted to know where Mac was going with it. Was he going to ask what Kate happened? Or was he going to ask what her thoughts on Dennis were? Why was it so important to out himself so soon in the game, just to say he tracked Kate to Dennis. Then Sean joined him which was actually good news, but Mac seemed to be angry over it.Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:55 pmEh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:41 pmHonestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:37 pm Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"
I was surprised that no one else wondered where Mac was going with his role outing.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:25 pm
My theory is that Kate thought Sean is JDDubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:12 pmIf the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?
This kinda goes back to your post here too:
I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:26 pm
I'll have to go back and look at that sequence of events in context again to see if this seems like a reasonable perspective.Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:16 pmThe fact that Mac said he tracked Kate to Dennis before Sean volunteered his info, and then Mac seemed very perturbed afterwards is what made me more suspicious of Mac. I posted again about this, because I wanted to know where Mac was going with it. Was he going to ask what Kate happened? Or was he going to ask what her thoughts on Dennis were? Why was it so important to out himself so soon in the game, just to say he tracked Kate to Dennis. Then Sean joined him which was actually good news, but Mac seemed to be angry over it.Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:55 pmEh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:41 pmHonestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:37 pm Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"
I was surprised that no one else wondered where Mac was going with his role outing.
Do you have reads currently?
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:34 pm
Hmmm okay I see waht you're saying - would sort of confirm sins don't know who JD is, but I've been operating under that assumption anyway.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:25 pmMy theory is that Kate thought Sean is JDDubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:12 pmIf the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?
This kinda goes back to your post here too:
I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.
Still don't really think we can glean much from Kate's edit on tutuu's POE though.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:36 pm
What's your Poe Dubz?
If I stop posting means I fell asleep
If I stop posting means I fell asleep
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:43 pm
Nook, SVS, Mata for sins. I don't really think JD is in those (don't ask me why, it's just an intuition), I think I've been wrong on either thunal or falcon after town reading them d1, but I don't know which yet.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:53 pm
It's really hard to be like "Oh no my towncore is leading me astray, time to flip my reads!" OR "Hey the towncore is good, we're killing it!" when the last two votes have been gifts presented by now-dead townies. Like there's little way for me to evaluate whether I've been on the right track or not with the people who are still alive, which is a horrible feeling at this stage of the game.
I am hoping only one recruitment is possible each night though I'm not sure if there's evidence to support that, so maybe just wishful thinking? Anyway if that's the case then we should be at 5-2-1-1. Of course worst case scenario is 5-4 but idk that I have the mental capacity to accept that reality.
I am hoping only one recruitment is possible each night though I'm not sure if there's evidence to support that, so maybe just wishful thinking? Anyway if that's the case then we should be at 5-2-1-1. Of course worst case scenario is 5-4 but idk that I have the mental capacity to accept that reality.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:16 pm
Neat I caught back up to myself
Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff
It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol
But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.
If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:45 pm I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:19 pm
Weaksauce and I'm gonna demand you change your SDN avatar anywayNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:52 pmIf I'm wrong this game doesn't count cause it's on ts and I'm not paying attentionDubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:50 pmHmm so much for your reading cardNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:19 pm I have rondo as >rand town*, thun and Falcon >rand town
Michelle and dubz >rand mafia
Zero meaningful opinion on mata/svs/wilgy
*I'm actually surprised he's voting me regardless of his alignment bit that's another story
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:28 pm
What if it's only JD and 1 converted sin at this point though?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:18 pmWhile I don't think I'm completely wrong about who I townread, I did get the thought that there's not much push to change the gamestate with what we think will be a Nanook chop. I think if the baddies really needed the gamestate to be different (like if Nanook were JD) there would be more of a push against it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:05 pm I mean, if you've already got 3 outta 5 decided as Town, game should be a snap.
This town core is infected with Maf
If the other two scum are unconverted sins, they wouldn't have any reason to push back against a Nanook chop.
Also, killing JD doesn't like, end the game for mafia as long as there's at least one other mafia, does it? Yes would make things harder since I assume recruitment wouldn't happen anymore (though maybe I'm wrong on that, I can think of ways to design the game where it would still be possible). But the only case where I would expect strong pushback against a Nanook chop even if he is JD would be if all 4 remaining non-village are now mafia.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:29 pm
@Dubz yes, I had posted them in 2 different posts. I don’t know how to multi-quote, so this is where I’m at: probably town: SVS, Wilgy, Rondo
Seem townish: Thunal, Michelle
PoE: Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook, because I can’t really read Falcon, and haven’t cared for the way Nanook wouldn’t come out for or against you during the game but also felt like both of you might be sins, and treading lightly around each other.
[VOTE: nanook] aubergine while I’m here.
Seem townish: Thunal, Michelle
PoE: Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook, because I can’t really read Falcon, and haven’t cared for the way Nanook wouldn’t come out for or against you during the game but also felt like both of you might be sins, and treading lightly around each other.
[VOTE: nanook] aubergine while I’m here.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:29 pm
If the mafia numbers are smaller than that it would just be outting, unless they're about to kill 4 people again
(which, in that case, RIP lol)
(which, in that case, RIP lol)
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:32 pm
Can you explain why we would tread lightly around each other when it seems that sins don't know each other's identities? Or how saying I am treading lightly makes sense when I've been voting for him for 2 days?Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:29 pm @Dubz yes, I had posted them in 2 different posts. I don’t know how to multi-quote, so this is where I’m at: probably town: SVS, Wilgy, Rondo
Seem townish: Thunal, Michelle
PoE: Falcon, Dubz, and Nanook, because I can’t really read Falcon, and haven’t cared for the way Nanook wouldn’t come out for or against you during the game but also felt like both of you might be sins, and treading lightly around each other.
[VOTE: nanook] aubergine while I’m here.
And he very clearly called me town d1 and then changed his read today. So he has come out both for and against me, but he hasn't hedged as far as I'm aware.
(Edited to remove redundant statement)
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:35 pm
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:36 pm
Generally, yes. In this case? I find it highly suspect that your read on me actually changed.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:35 pmPeople are allowed to change their reads lol
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:42 pm
A lot of it was a gamestate thing. I felt like a lot of people were complacent with the gamestate yesterday, I thought you were a potential JD, and I wanted to see how my PoE would react to a wagon on you.Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:05 pmI feel like having a lot of town reads makes sense when there's minimal scum and some of those are able to authentically scumhunt.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:45 pm I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
Idk what you expect pressure to do tbh. Make me...read harder? I can only provide the thoughts that I have. I was serious when I said I'm not comfortable with the thought that JD is in my top scum reads since I'd expect that role to be more active, I just don't know who it is.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:46 pm
I’m still gone for a bit and not sure how reliable my service will be. I thought of the possibility that someone else could have carried Nanook’s kill or kills if Nanook were JD and he had teammates. I was debating to myself away from the thread whether it’s more important to kill someone with a lower chance of being bad and a higher chance of being JD or the highest chance of being bad at all and I think the second is more important. We really don’t want to hit town.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:52 pm
I’d think there would be pushback with 2 converts as well, but only one convert or no converts is definitely possible and there’s no way to know. It’s also possible one or more unconverted sins know JD’s identity.Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:28 pmWhat if it's only JD and 1 converted sin at this point though?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:18 pmWhile I don't think I'm completely wrong about who I townread, I did get the thought that there's not much push to change the gamestate with what we think will be a Nanook chop. I think if the baddies really needed the gamestate to be different (like if Nanook were JD) there would be more of a push against it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:05 pm I mean, if you've already got 3 outta 5 decided as Town, game should be a snap.
This town core is infected with Maf
If the other two scum are unconverted sins, they wouldn't have any reason to push back against a Nanook chop.
Also, killing JD doesn't like, end the game for mafia as long as there's at least one other mafia, does it? Yes would make things harder since I assume recruitment wouldn't happen anymore (though maybe I'm wrong on that, I can think of ways to design the game where it would still be possible). But the only case where I would expect strong pushback against a Nanook chop even if he is JD would be if all 4 remaining non-village are now mafia.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:57 pm
I was thinking of stronger reads/pushes when I said that. Why was Falcon in your towncore in the first place?Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:16 pmNeat I caught back up to myself
Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff
It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol
But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.
If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:45 pm I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:21 pm
I just felt like he approached the thread in a very relaxed kind of way and was open with giving his reads when he was around. Like there was a natural flow to his content that I tend to associate with a village mindset.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:57 pmI was thinking of stronger reads/pushes when I said that. Why was Falcon in your towncore in the first place?Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:16 pmNeat I caught back up to myself
Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff
It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol
But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.
If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:45 pm I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
I also really felt like if scum!falcon saw me as a misyeet option it would have been easy enough to continue to push there rather than backing off.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:38 pm
Literally neverDubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:19 pmWeaksauce and I'm gonna demand you change your SDN avatar anywayNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:52 pmIf I'm wrong this game doesn't count cause it's on ts and I'm not paying attentionDubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:50 pmHmm so much for your reading cardNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:19 pm I have rondo as >rand town*, thun and Falcon >rand town
Michelle and dubz >rand mafia
Zero meaningful opinion on mata/svs/wilgy
*I'm actually surprised he's voting me regardless of his alignment bit that's another story
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:39 pm
It's been days since I made the initial read
You'll also note that I left you out of my townreads in between
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:44 pm
You're lucky I only use my moderator powers for goodNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:38 pmLiterally neverDubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:19 pmWeaksauce and I'm gonna demand you change your SDN avatar anywayNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:52 pmIf I'm wrong this game doesn't count cause it's on ts and I'm not paying attentionDubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:50 pmHmm so much for your reading cardNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:19 pm I have rondo as >rand town*, thun and Falcon >rand town
Michelle and dubz >rand mafia
Zero meaningful opinion on mata/svs/wilgy
*I'm actually surprised he's voting me regardless of his alignment bit that's another story
It doesn't really matter to me when the read changedNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:39 pmIt's been days since I made the initial read
You'll also note that I left you out of my townreads in between
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:49 pm
It should tbh
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:56 pm
I have decided to make the wagons closer
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 6:58 pm
The options are
1) It changed while I was absent from the thread
2) It changed after you started getting pressured
Those both would fall under the convenient umbrella imo. I haven't seen you say anything about why it changed either.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:30 pm
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:49 pm
Rondo can you link me your claim pls?
I know you had some almost clears but I forgot who
I know you had some almost clears but I forgot who
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:05 pm
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:52 pm
@S~V~S are there any Kate reads you thought might be genuine ones? Kate hadn't joined the mafia team when she died so she might have made some real uninformed reads but it's hard to tell what those were.
Re: Se7en Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:54 pm