The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:02 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?
No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.
I really don't think it's that good
Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.
Maybe the purpose of the role is just the mindgame itself
But that's not really mafia? A reward for guts with no counterplay or chance to it.

Might be getting too far off into game theory here, which is something I love. The question is, is Tony telling the truth, and is he town?

Well, my theory is that the point of this role was just to have this ridiculous discussion, and that Tony is not really supposed to use it at all.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm**

Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm**

I believe the world we are in is one in which finding Desmond is the only winning line Mafia have. Therefore, I suggest we continue with the Epignosis lynch, and if we lose in the night I will take responsibility. We cannot play around scum Tony if they are telling the truth here unless we lynch them, and I personally believe that is not the course of action we should take.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:04 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm I believe the world we are in is one in which finding Desmond is the only winning line Mafia have. Therefore, I suggest we continue with the Epignosis lynch, and if we lose in the night I will take responsibility. We cannot play around scum Tony if they are telling the truth here unless we lynch them, and I personally believe that is not the course of action we should take.

Agreed. We can't risk the lynch when we have a big fish already on the hook.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.

did you see Mac's?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?
No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.
I really don't think it's that good
Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.
Maybe the purpose of the role is just the mindgame itself
But that's not really mafia? A reward for guts with no counterplay or chance to it.

Might be getting too far off into game theory here, which is something I love. The question is, is Tony telling the truth, and is he town?
Well, my theory is that the point of this role was just to have this ridiculous discussion, and that Tony is not really supposed to use it at all.

this might be correct.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?

Mac had an extremely limited (and targeted) kill paired with pretty good every other night protection, if I understand it. It was perfectly normal.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm I believe the world we are in is one in which finding Desmond is the only winning line Mafia have. Therefore, I suggest we continue with the Epignosis lynch, and if we lose in the night I will take responsibility. We cannot play around scum Tony if they are telling the truth here unless we lynch them, and I personally believe that is not the course of action we should take.

Yes. It's best to assume that Tony is lying, and that he needs to know who Desmond is to kill them, so the mass character claim should not happen as it could help mafia, and we should absolutely just lynch Epi today, and if we lose in the night then so be it.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm**

if there's a town doctor or something this could perhaps be simplified but I don't know if in this sort of situation you'd want to out the town doctor

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:07 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm if there's a town doctor or something this could perhaps be simplified but I don't know if in this sort of situation you'd want to out the town doctor

heck no

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:07 pm**

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine I think we have like an hour left unless I miscounted days

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?

That is a cool role.

And unusual... and I want to steal it for my next game.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:07 pm [VOTE: Epi] aubergine I think we have like an hour left unless I miscounted days

Word is that we have another day.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm**

Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm if there's a town doctor or something this could perhaps be simplified but I don't know if in this sort of situation you'd want to out the town doctor

This sounds wack. Huh?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up.

But will you and Jay be here tomorrow?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:07 pm [VOTE: Epi] aubergine I think we have like an hour left unless I miscounted days

We have another day

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up. :goofp:

There is a sweet spot. You can definitely miss out on meaningful discussion, but not hammering after the thread has drawn its course can lead to problems.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:10 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up.
But will you and Jay be here tomorrow?

No. So yeah, there is that argument for maximizing discussion time.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:10 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
That is a cool role. And unusual... and I want to steal it for my next game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
Mac had an extremely limited (and targeted) kill paired with pretty good every other night protection, if I understand it. It was perfectly normal.

someone's lying

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:11 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm if there's a town doctor or something this could perhaps be simplified but I don't know if in this sort of situation you'd want to out the town doctor
This sounds wack. Huh?

doctor protects Desmond claim or at least threatens to

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:12 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
That is a cool role. And unusual... and I want to steal it for my next game.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
Mac had an extremely limited (and targeted) kill paired with pretty good every other night protection, if I understand it. It was perfectly normal.
someone's lying

I mean yes, but not necessarily in these two posts. These can both be true and in character for LC and Speed.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:12 pm**

just pointing out the discrepancy

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:13 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:11 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm if there's a town doctor or something this could perhaps be simplified but I don't know if in this sort of situation you'd want to out the town doctor
This sounds wack. Huh?
doctor protects Desmond claim or at least threatens to

And mafia shoots the doc? No thanks

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:13 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
That is a cool role. And unusual... and I want to steal it for my next game.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
Mac had an extremely limited (and targeted) kill paired with pretty good every other night protection, if I understand it. It was perfectly normal.
someone's lying

We're allowed to have different opinions.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:13 pm**

I mean if the Desmond person claims and the doc decides to protect them without saying anything, sure whatever. But there are problems with that too, namely we don't know if there's a doctor and we don't want to bait out the Desmond claim in case you're mafia and it helps you win.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:14 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:12 pm just pointing out the discrepancy

Let's stick to real suspicions for now maybe?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:15 pm**

Okay well if we have another day I got more things today to do so bye guys for now

@ me if you have something you need input for

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm**

We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:18 pm**

I think the quality of the discourse in here has taken a sharp turn south since Desmond became relevant to our lives. I suggest we refocus. I felt decent about the trajectory of our hunt before all of this nonsense, and it is creating considerable distraction.

You don't have to ignore it or forget about it, but I advise putting a muzzle on it or something to prevent it from devouring your view of the game.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.

did you eat the apple

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:22 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up.

I think this only applies if the civilians don't have stable leadership.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:23 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.
did you eat the apple

Nope. I fired a bullet from it.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:25 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:18 pm I think the quality of the discourse in here has taken a sharp turn south since Desmond became relevant to our lives. I suggest we refocus. I felt decent about the trajectory of our hunt before all of this nonsense, and it is creating considerable distraction.

You don't have to ignore it or forget about it, but I advise putting a muzzle on it or something to prevent it from devouring your view of the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:20 pm There you go gang. The bad guy wants the thread quiet, so do the opposite.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:26 pm**

Note that we are effectively one vote shy of the hammer right now given the placement of Epi's own vote.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:27 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:23 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.
did you eat the apple
Nope. I fired a bullet from it.

what happened afterwards? do you still have it?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:28 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:26 pm Note that we are effectively one vote shy of the hammer right now given the placement of Epi's own vote.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:28 pm**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:23 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.
did you eat the apple
Nope. I fired a bullet from it.
what happened afterwards? do you still have it?

I have relinquished the apple.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:28 pm**

Can no TK be hammered? That would be fun.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:29 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:26 pm Note that we are effectively one vote shy of the hammer right now given the placement of Epi's own vote.

I see three Epi votes.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:30 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:26 pm Note that we are effectively one vote shy of the hammer right now given the placement of Epi's own vote.
I see three Epi votes.

Precisely. He can hammer himself given the chance.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:32 pm**

We could consider sending him to the great beyond though. I am open to it. We've used 51 of our 72 hours. I want to hear from everyone though:

Do you think we would benefit from a 24 hour break to facilitate cooling down, thinking clearly, and revving up for Day 4? Or No?

Remember that nutella and I are gone.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:33 pm**

idk i kinda like having y'all here

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:36 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:32 pm We could consider sending him to the great beyond though. I am open to it. We've used 51 of our 72 hours. I want to hear from everyone though:

Do you think we would benefit from a 24 hour break to facilitate cooling down, thinking clearly, and revving up for Day 4? Or No?

Remember that nutella and I are gone.

We get a 24 hour break regardless of when we hammer.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:37 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:36 pm We get a 24 hour break regardless of when we hammer.

Indeed. I refer to the need (or non) of getting that break sooner.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:26 pm**

If y'all had to give a final answer right now for the team of three, who ya got?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:27 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:26 pm If y'all had to give a final answer right now for the team of three, who ya got?

Can I give two?

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:27 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:26 pm If y'all had to give a final answer right now for the team of three, who ya got?
Can I give two?

no

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:30 pm**

Then I do not want to play this game yet...

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:33 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:30 pm Then I do not want to play this game yet...

Why not? What's to lose? It's a post with names in it.

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