Making the aliens kill who civilians want them to kill is a good thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pmThis is a great way to signal to the aliens who to kill
You know this.
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Making the aliens kill who civilians want them to kill is a good thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pmThis is a great way to signal to the aliens who to kill
I had a phone call, had to cook, had to eat, had Pyre...wasn't nutella, but I get the sentiment.
I don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
Nutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
"refuse"MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:23 pm if proto dies tonight i refuse to become strategy guy ok
If dunya is bad, she never gets to hide behind "I don't shoot new people Night 1."TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 pm It is definitely optimal to go for 3 I think but maybe we can escape with 4 if we want to be risk averse. I don’t want to be risk averse because Im now worried it’s Dunya.
Nutella knows why, I assume it’s why she shot Nanook
Suuuure but like that does not apply in context here like at allEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:59 pmMaking the aliens kill who civilians want them to kill is a good thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pmThis is a great way to signal to the aliens who to kill
You know this.
... wtf guyEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:05 pm"refuse"MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:23 pm if proto dies tonight i refuse to become strategy guy ok
"to become"
That's like my toenail clippers saying they refuse to become a lawnmower.
it also decreases our remaining saves and increases our chances of losing if i screw up againCarotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 pmNutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
I agree with this
By protecting them, it forces aliens to shoot in nutella's PoE and increases the odds of a good shot tomorrow
wo wait nutella's post made me realize that you weren't quoting my strategy post lolCarotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 pmNutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
I agree with this
By protecting them, it forces aliens to shoot in nutella's PoE and increases the odds of a good shot tomorrow
Easy fix don'tnutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:09 pmit also decreases our remaining saves and increases our chances of losing if i screw up againCarotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 pmNutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
I agree with this
By protecting them, it forces aliens to shoot in nutella's PoE and increases the odds of a good shot tomorrow
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm... wtf guyEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:05 pm"refuse"MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:23 pm if proto dies tonight i refuse to become strategy guy ok
"to become"
That's like my toenail clippers saying they refuse to become a lawnmower.
How do you know you'll be here tomorrow?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:31 pmEasy fix don'tnutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:09 pmit also decreases our remaining saves and increases our chances of losing if i screw up againCarotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 pmNutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
I agree with this
By protecting them, it forces aliens to shoot in nutella's PoE and increases the odds of a good shot tomorrow
Gonna try to math it tomorrow to see more objectively ^^
I preferred it when Nutella announced her POE for shot near EOD. The amount of posts people make when under pressure.... It was really entertaining. Also I thought it was good for town. Although I was massively mistaken for thinking dizzy was outting as alien. I had the same thought as Nutella that Dizzy and Dunya were partners and that Dunya was looking to distance from Dizzy.Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:29 pmwo wait nutella's post made me realize that you weren't quoting my strategy post lolCarotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 pmNutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
I agree with this
By protecting them, it forces aliens to shoot in nutella's PoE and increases the odds of a good shot tomorrow
It was pretty clear nutella was not gonna change her mind so I'd rather just wait less before the inevitable
It cuts both ways. If she never kills new people, when someone not new dies on day 1, it gives her higher mafia equity. If there are a lot of new people in a game, it gives her massively higher mafia equity.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 pmIf dunya is bad, she never gets to hide behind "I don't shoot new people Night 1."TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 pm It is definitely optimal to go for 3 I think but maybe we can escape with 4 if we want to be risk averse. I don’t want to be risk averse because Im now worried it’s Dunya.
Nutella knows why, I assume it’s why she shot Nanook
That's a hell of a loss if you ask me.
I'm not pushing for protect but a threatened protect from a limited number of people to avoid any disaster scenario where we over protect.Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:54 pm Not doing any maths/speculations tonight but protecting nutella's lock towns and nutella might be a good today
Don't want to be annoying hindsight guy but I think Nanook had 4 bunker saves remaining. I haven't isoed to check.if you have a team of 2 in mind, shoot the laser at whoever has fewer bunker saves remaining all other things being equal. You might have considered that already and concluded Nanook had the higher mafia equity between them and redacted.
I prefer Mac over Sabie here because although I think Mac is scummier than Sabie (a bit not a lot), I think it's less likely Epi is partners with Mac than Sabie.
How have you now flipped your read in Dunya? If you explained it previously, apologies, I don't remember it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:57 am So it's established the only way I make sense as scum is if I'm w/w with Dunya via mechanics and interactions. I've only played like one and a half games with Dunya, but read over the last day and a half of her ISO and tell me it reads like a wolf at all. It conveys towniness on all levels. Mechanical stuff be damned. (There are one or two posts that still give me hesitation but whatever.) Proto and Epi is v/v, but they've also been spewing towniness all game independently. Mac is town. That leaves what, three names? One of them seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth and one of them hasn't been around anyways.
this is kinda yuck tbh. i expect more from you on actually having reads on people after ~70 pages of content that goes beyond your surface level reads.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
Anything you disagree with in the yuck post? I'm trying to post less because I'm conscious I might be over posting and pressuring people to read too much.dunya wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:46 amthis is kinda yuck tbh. i expect more from you on actually having reads on people after ~70 pages of content that goes beyond your surface level reads.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
The way I see it is if people are playing with me, and they know that code I adhere to, it would incentivize them to also not kill a new person Night 1, thereby giving new people a longer "swim in the pool" their first time here.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:25 amIt cuts both ways. If she never kills new people, when someone not new dies on day 1, it gives her higher mafia equity. If there are a lot of new people in a game, it gives her massively higher mafia equity.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 pmIf dunya is bad, she never gets to hide behind "I don't shoot new people Night 1."TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 pm It is definitely optimal to go for 3 I think but maybe we can escape with 4 if we want to be risk averse. I don’t want to be risk averse because Im now worried it’s Dunya.
Nutella knows why, I assume it’s why she shot Nanook
That's a hell of a loss if you ask me.
Ah so my level of towniness all depends on if you agree with me or not.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
no but the effort is appreciated.
this is kinda yuck what is this what bad dunyadunya wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:46 amthis is kinda yuck tbh. i expect more from you on actually having reads on people after ~70 pages of content that goes beyond your surface level reads.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
you cannot make a read on carot until she makes a "math post". seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
i specifically said LC and Mac are capable of killing Hally for wifom. dunya and epi are not.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
sabie replaced tutuu, someone with like 200 posts. you don't have any read on tutuu? seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
why specifically my interactions with alison are what sway you vs. anyone else in the game? seems very random to me. you're trying to highlight that i have emotionally manipulated you into town reading me, where i've actually just used facts: dunya does not kill new people n1. end of story. seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
i feel like you're taking advantage of your personality to twin yoru town meta. the game of mafia is one of deceit and maniuplation, and you seem to be experienced at it but trying to act like you're taking anyone who agrees with you at face value to be town because...you are town. seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
you make a read, but you preface it by "this could just be inactivity bias again". you make an accusation then you add on "i haven't isoed her". very weak, seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
bro code. i believe this part of your reads list.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
no it's not.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:43 pmno but the effort is appreciated.
mmm your reads dont need to be the same as mine for me to townread you.sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:35 pmAh so my level of towniness all depends on if you agree with me or not.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
I don't like to do wall posts and I don't do long fancy cases on people. Not my style.
I see why nutella shot nanook. I have shot nanook before in another game. (Nanook shot buddies!)
I'm not sure who is an alien.
I have been iffy on dunya and her push on dizzy was not great. The not killing a new person defense I guess works in her favor for people. Carrots random coming in to say don't shoot dizzy was sketchy and nothing they've said has made me think town. And mac is ehhhh. Alison is ehhh.
Dunyas case on a mac alison team I suppose is plausible.
Tony is following his usual town meta unless thats changed. Epi seems fine. You have put forth a lot of effort to seem town.
Yeahhh my reads are pretty terrible and lackluster I'm aware. Not out of laziness just not sure who is an alien. If I don't know or have a good case I don't just make one up. Chalk it up to coming in in the middle after a few months off from playing. I'm also at work.
I do not envy nutellas role in this game at all. I don't think I could confidently make that call at this point.
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] i'm requesting your assistance. can you go through proto's posts and weigh in on all the mechanics stuff?
Ok.dunya wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:54 pmyou cannot make a read on carot until she makes a "math post". seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Carotenoid has fallen off my town cart. Inactivity bias probably. Will wait to see their math post they said they would make.
i specifically said LC and Mac are capable of killing Hally for wifom. dunya and epi are not.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Mac - I scum read the most but wouldn't they also fall into the category of not killing Hally? Going to ignore the Soneji/Rej stuff now because there's no consensus on how I am supposed to read into it.
why are you waiting for "consensus" to read into interactions? you seem to do very well proposing plans that no one agrees with. seems fake.
sabie replaced tutuu, someone with like 200 posts. you don't have any read on tutuu? seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Sabie - If you post a wall with all your reads (including why) and who can/cannot be partners and I don't disagree with the majority of it, I would probably townread you. Total null read for me at the moment.
why specifically my interactions with alison are what sway you vs. anyone else in the game? seems very random to me. you're trying to highlight that i have emotionally manipulated you into town reading me, where i've actually just used facts: dunya does not kill new people n1. end of story. seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Dunya - urgh. Think I have to accept they don't kill Hally. I am totally being swayed by emotion posts but also re alison interaction.
i feel like you're taking advantage of your personality to twin yoru town meta. the game of mafia is one of deceit and maniuplation, and you seem to be experienced at it but trying to act like you're taking anyone who agrees with you at face value to be town because...you are town. seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am TSP - has to remain in POE for me. I can't Vulcan mindmeld with them. I follow most of their ideas but I feel like I would prefer to be walked through their logic like a child. Basically we kind of reach similar conclusions sometimes but I'm never confident how they reached their conclusions. Pretty cryptic to me. Any other new people feel the same?
you make a read, but you preface it by "this could just be inactivity bias again". you make an accusation then you add on "i haven't isoed her". very weak, seems fake.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Alison - also fallen off the towncart. Inactivity bias again probably. Seems to have been playing defence rather than scum hunting. Haven't isoed, just my memory of it.
bro code. i believe this part of your reads list.protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 am Epi - not reviewing for alignment anymore. I still read their posts re finding scum though.
Carotenoid has fallen off in recent days. Nothing I have seen is AI. I am waiting for the math post to see what if anything I can read into it. The last time they identified an incorrect assumption i had made in a plan I floated on day 0 or day 1. I forget which. I townread them for that. If you still think my reasons are fake - ok I guess.Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:31 pmEasy fix don'tnutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:09 pmit also decreases our remaining saves and increases our chances of losing if i screw up againCarotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 pmNutella's lock towns are you and protoEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:02 pmI don't understand this opinion. Why could it be nice?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:38 pm If nutella is still planning to not announce who she's gonna laser early EoD could be nice ^^
I agree with this
By protecting them, it forces aliens to shoot in nutella's PoE and increases the odds of a good shot tomorrow
Gonna try to math it tomorrow to see more objectively ^^
why is this getting you guysed? I told nutella to shoot Carotdunya wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:55 pmno it's not.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:43 pmno but the effort is appreciated.
plus, you guys actually did ignore the salad in the game (carot's)
I'm willing to do this on day 5. Maybe. I can't remember any mechanical solutions he's provided that would be particularly aligned with w!proto and we have generally been on the same page on things so it's a generally good look.
Why do you trust Tony?