The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

flail harder nerd

all i hear is howling

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar

just pretend to townread me and we will go away and you won't have to worry about us anymore... amazing stuff!

Yeah but this is mafia so you should find wolves, not just survive.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar

just pretend to townread me and we will go away and you won't have to worry about us anymore... amazing stuff!

Yeah but this is mafia so you should find wolves, not just survive.

if I can get myself killed by the mafia early when they're trying to get me mischopped that's more +ev for town than me making reads tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar

just pretend to townread me and we will go away and you won't have to worry about us anymore... amazing stuff!

Yeah but this is mafia so you should find wolves, not just survive.

if I can get myself killed by the mafia early when they're trying to get me mischopped that's more +ev for town than me making reads tbh

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:00 pmHow's that a towny post? With posts like that town isn't getting any closer to a solve

Also I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this but the anne wagon still sucks

Well if I had great ideas, I would say so. I could make shit up also, if I was mafia.

Better to be open about being unsure than tunnelling on town all game like you are with me =)

Instead of hating everything I'm doing without trying to understand, why don't you engage with my reasons for town reading Nutella, since you are scum reading her?

I'm not the one who's voting anne for basically no reason. But go on ahead, I don't really buy arguments from other people that "x player never does this as mafia" or "b player always does this as town" because 1. people can learn from their past mistakes, 2. these arguments often reflect the biases of the person making them, and 3. a skilled player can fake all this anyway and I'd like to assume we're not bad players. JJJ was nothing like his scum game in the game I hosted where he was scum, but it didn't stop him from being scum. The reasons to scumread nutella are largely based around Jay interactions and how she dealt with the threadstate at EoD. This is more reliable because wolves can fake effort, they can fake emotion, but wolves will not generally make blatantly suboptimal plays. nutella only really defended Jay after I made it safe to do so by stating Jay was unlike his last wolf game, and the way she popped in to say she was alright with a Jay vote, but not actually change her vote in case anne picked up again, and her willingness to try to pick up an anne wagon again today with barely an acknowledgement it was confirmed to be wolfy. These are all stronger pieces of evidence against her than anything for her, and I still don't like her interaction with Esooa, and her contributions today are largely tinfoiling which doesn't help town. I also don't like how she seems to be added to the towncore alongside players like Lime Coke, Marmot, and cass who all have much stronger reasons to be townread. nutella seems like she might have an important role though, so I may be more willing to vote you or Esooa over her today, but you can't deny that nutella has had many wolfy moments this game.

Also, it's not unheard of for mafia to let town destroy itself, and given how much of a mess these past few pages are I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Nobody should be giving anybody town points for hedginesss right now.

Anyway, I'm nearly out of posts right now and probably will only post again before EoD in case of an emergency, so keep that in mind.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

flail harder nerd

all i hear is howling

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm either the setup is broken or theyre bullshitting about the mafia finding out that theyre lovers

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:24 pm Mac's explanation kinda makes sense if the role is exactly what it says it is.

The thing I'm still having trouble with is why falcon is unquestioningly persisting with a townread on Mac. I get that they might be lovers at this point, but he's not even trying to read him, despite not specifically knowing his alignment.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:51 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

flail harder nerd

all i hear is howling

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm either the setup is broken or theyre bullshitting about the mafia finding out that theyre lovers

i changed my mind again [VOTE: spf] aubergine

like i feel like youre poking holes in the wrong things, i see no reason to believe they'd just make that part up lol (also what marmot said but im also squinting a bit at how he said his role gave the mafia clause if he randed town)


spf remind me what your stance on anne is rn bc i probably want to end on one of you or maybe naa

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:56 pm Yo Dizzy, that was you 101st post of the day

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:56 pm Yo Dizzy, that was you 101st post of the day

how many do I have left?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:54 pm If spf is mafia, Lime might be as well.

I agree with Nutella that spf is poking at the wrong things there.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:51 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

flail harder nerd

all i hear is howling

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm either the setup is broken or theyre bullshitting about the mafia finding out that theyre lovers

i changed my mind again [VOTE: spf] aubergine

like i feel like youre poking holes in the wrong things, i see no reason to believe they'd just make that part up lol (also what marmot said but im also squinting a bit at how he said his role gave the mafia clause if he randed town)


spf remind me what your stance on anne is rn bc i probably want to end on one of you or maybe naa

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:00 pm Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:00 pm Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:54 pm If spf is mafia, Lime might be as well.

I agree with Nutella that spf is poking at the wrong things there.

First of all I was attempting to CFD JJJ every time he had a vote on him because I thought Anne was town and the other wagons felt like shit to be on. That should be fucking clearing for me.

Dizzy explain to me with what Mac is doing is town coming from him? Are you just townreading him because of this role bullshit or what?

I have 4 posts left after this but I'm spending it here because SPF SHOULDN'T BE A WAGON

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:10 pm how does naa have zero voters and anne down to 1 this is maybe getting off track

im gonna [VOTE: anne] aubergine but want it known that i do not think spf should be getting a pass here, i think her response to me above is slightly >rand town in her snappish/indignant tone but i think everything shes posted this game has been in her wolfrange and i really think shes compatible with jay

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:06 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:00 pm Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.

thats pretty common from town mac too ime?


also lime i think youve been pretty townie but i have some reservations on your reads and i obviously dont agree with you on spf rn. i thought you were trying to cut down on hard shields anyway in case youre wrong

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

JJJ was on the damn thing

That's either my last or second-to-last post so see ya later

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:06 pm This day feels rotten and I just wanna spice things up.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:06 pm This day feels rotten and I just wanna spice things up.

I'll be the spice in your life

anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:04 pm Wait EOD is at fucking 11:59 PM???

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:46 pm I still think anne's wagon is weird because it was a counter wagon to Jay yesterday, and nutella is the only person who voted it both yesterday and is voting for it right now.

Also, 3 of the 5 people voting for anne right now either didn't vote yesterday (Dizzy, Sloonsooa) or voted a vanity wagon (iaafr).


Two of the people voting for anne yesterday are dead: Jay and MR

@falcon45ca @DrWilgy why aren't you voting for anne today?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:51 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:46 pm I still think anne's wagon is weird because it was a counter wagon to Jay yesterday, and nutella is the only person who voted it both yesterday and is voting for it right now.

Also, 3 of the 5 people voting for anne right now either didn't vote yesterday (Dizzy, Sloonsooa) or voted a vanity wagon (iaafr).


Two of the people voting for anne yesterday are dead: Jay and MR

@falcon45ca @DrWilgy why aren't you voting for anne today?

Because it's weird like you said.

I don't think scum Anne would have had Jay on it. I think there's good reason to assume that both Anne and I are V/V as there was no one really concerned with moving votes from her to me prior to the Jay wagon. I was going out of my way to be an easy yeet for science, but there still wasn't a hard push for it.