The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:48 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:42 pm the case on me thus far:

I make townreads too easily

I now have time to effort this game

My playstyle


how very compelling

The case on you thus far:

You claimed to have regret that Dya died even though you felt good about that spot...

...that had zero posts prior to Dya coming in.

You claimed you didn't have time to reread things (which means you read them once) and that you hate third parties, so you picked Poison (when there were plenty of mafia candidates to choose from - surely as a civilian you hate mafia more than third parties?).

You called my posts bad but called me good for them.

You haven't clarified how you arrived at a position that I am good based on my "bad" posts.

You haven't specified when you read my posts but couldn't (re)read Mac's posts Day 1.

You are avoiding my questions.

That is the case against you thus far.

I like this post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:18 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:15 pm mac is literally confirmed town - and yet you are going against his read on me.

and yet you're attacking me for not wanting to dialogue a townread.


cmon michelle you're better than that. i can deconstruct bad reasoning all day.

people are going against all my reads so who cares

what suggests tutuu is out of her townrange?

do you normally have the same reads on slots atp in the game?

rando - as of right now - what is your read on me?

I want you to make a stance right now.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:55 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:47 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:37 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:35 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:30 pm I'm someone you *need* to have experience with town!me to understand that premises on reading me are grossly incorrect if you are default scumreading me.

I am also a person who feeds into the ego of having to fight off any scumread on me so yeah.

Why am I scum holistically? Let me dissect it that way, Michelle.

Holistically you are scum because you share TMI reads, you had a very low impact day 1 and now you play overexplaining things about your play instead trying to solve

I don't want for you to be scum, that's a shade and i don't accept it. I provided serious arguments and of course you would not say i am right, isn't it?

I think you'll find those same kind of "TMI" reads in the towngames i linked.

In short - I am at least decent at this game and have found I can townhunt pretty well.

Did you consider that angle or am I just stupid in your eyes?

I sense a condescendent mindset at you and i am kind enough to ignore it.
I saw scum refusing any scum read for them before, that's a defence hard to put in practice because it requires effort, but is doable and effective.
If i am wrong in this moment, the 30th of August at 01:44 am, i will probably find you, but you doubted my capacity before even trying to understand me, and even put wrong ideas in my eyes.
What is the putpose of this post after all?

its me being annoyed at you being confbiased on something that is literally just my towngame. you could ask more useful questions like how i reached my townreads.


and i do give reasonings its just very hard to parse because im autistic and its stuff thats like not exactly verbal that i see usually

Don't use ate on me, please
i need your analysis for every read and since we started to talk you didn't post your reads in a cohesive manner
Random scattered reads, yes, i read. A real read, backed up by reasons, no.
Also what's your read on me?

I like this post

I will be frank: I think you are trying to fan the flames of these arguments and I am not liking it.

What did you like about that post?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:10 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:08 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:08 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:05 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:02 pm its me being mad that dya was flipped when with my unique blend of reading style i found them town :3

That's wolfy tbh

Yes that’s kind off what I’m getting at. There post flip reaction is really odd.

Also I hate when players start to claim kind off without solid info and no pressure. I’ve done that so often as mafia so always a bit pinged by it

no you arent <3 you're just mafia

Sure and the reasoning is?

Honestly originally thought you scum slipped, but that would require the flip to be a Miller which is a lot of ifs.

Still weird how quickly you OMGUS

This is the weirdest post I've seen yet.

Miller is Bastard.

This isn't a Bastard game.

I can understand Rondo making that mistake as he's new to Forum rules and Bastard stuff but I woulda thought Sig knows that.

Yeah take that. Rondo

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:15 pm I don't think dk has an activity tell fwiw

i did recently intentionally slank in a scum hydra due to meta expectations being that i would carry as scum and then ended up winning the game as a universal townread.

Yeh I feel reasonably confident saying that reading you on activity alone isn't gonna be reliable

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:18 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:15 pm mac is literally confirmed town - and yet you are going against his read on me.

and yet you're attacking me for not wanting to dialogue a townread.


cmon michelle you're better than that. i can deconstruct bad reasoning all day.

people are going against all my reads so who cares

what suggests tutuu is out of her townrange?

do you normally have the same reads on slots atp in the game?

If you saw a confirmed town mac, noted day 1 beast, would your approach to him be to push against almost every read he makes while patting him on the head telling him everything's gonna be alright?

Like the fact that she is still favouring her own feelings over mine heavily implies she has TMI. It's not that I have to be right, it's that she knows which reads I am wrong on and which I am right on and all of her activity/choices are influenced by that.

@RondoDimBuckle take a stance on my slot right now.

You are doing a lot of evaluating of other people's scumreads on me and not a lot of analysis or conclusions.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:15 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:14 pm Mac are you gonna out half the team in the next 10 minutes or can i go

According to Tutuu and Michelle I'm only alive because I'm a shit player so I might as well do nothing.

Vibe with me man, once I catch up.

I dont think you're shit. I think you're human and have a lack of information like most people who are town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:18 pm Though if I can get a town read from it then full steam ahead let’s go after Mac no logic no case just eliminate

I'mma just narrow my eyes at this

two posts in a row that I agree with Ender. what world is this?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm [VOTE: DK] aubergine

you fosed me last time we were both town - I would expect you to be more cautious about scumreading me in the future - what gives you confidence here? what do you think is vastly different from the time you scumread me last?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:12 pm the way you are reading me is very 1 dimensional so i have to only assume you think that is all that is needed to read me

im just like excited because i know when you join dead chat you will be able to see how wrong you were.

but also you will likely never learn because you are too stubborn to understand people can have different playstyles that work for them and its just lazy play to autobin those people as scum for their townplay :3

Nope, this is not what i meant
You are certainly not lazy, i said the reasons i scum read you are the overexplained posts with self meta who is useless because you can broke it anytime (proof i don't consider you unidimensional player) and the read for Dya/Creature and her wagon show TMI for these slots or in case of the wagon show a narrative

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:13 pm like cmon "you tried once as town so you're scum here"

is like the worst argument ive probably heard for me being scum - and there's a good reason you only have these kinds of bad arguments for me being scum. i'll let you simmer and think about why that may be.

if there is an equally good reason why its plausible for me as town to post it as it is for scum me to post it - its not a good reason to scumread me for it

You're twisting my words, i didn't say this.

I scum read you for general wolfy behaviour.
I saw you playing town and your reactions about being pushed were really different and it's not content wise, nor about reads or other things, it's about what I, as person, perceive the tone, intent and mindset

You say i don't sheep Mac's read like i should borrow Mac my slot. No sir, i want to play myself, because is a big chance i will die before him.

THAT IS LITERALLY MY PLAYSTYLE

michelle please for the love of god GO READ THE GAMES I LINKED

maybe you will actually come out of it a better koba reader

you CANT READ ME based on "general wolf tells"

you're gonna look like a clown.

*you dont know my fucking townrange and it SHOWS*

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:23 pm OMG I REMEMBER WHY I SAID I TOWNREAD DYA SLOT PREDESSESOR BC

LIKE

I RANDED TOWN WITH CREATURE B4 AND THEY GOT SUSSED FOR WEIRD POSTS AND I ASSUMED "oh if creature getting sussed that means they are town lol" but i didt know they neverr posted because i havent read most of D1 lol

excessive caps, yawn

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:15 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:20 pm i'm pink!
Thanks tutuu tbh
But why is DkKoba the same colour like me?

you are both enigmas for me rn

im conflicted between wanting to trust myself and scumread u but i dont want to ignore that you're doing stuff that i think is towny. so to ease my conscience i gave u a special tier so i dont feel bad if im too wrong

Okay, AMA and find me

give me a read on everyone in the game please so when you die and flip town or scum we can postulate on what you would say tomorrow

I will at eod

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:24 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:23 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:53 pm i think that nanook needs to die, especially if sig is town. if sig is town, wolf nanook came in today with the intention to mischop him.

i think nook keeping up his gimmick thru the whole game is scummy, and he broke it only to discredit my sig defense

@sig if ur town pls bury nook

I think Nanook is town. I'll double-check after work but I'm pretty sure his reads have been in his town-meta.

please explain which one of his reads

i just iso'd him and 99% of his iso is literally saying hmmmm and fuck

i think that you're both mafia and i want you both dead

Well that's just him memeing

Hmmm = Good
Fuck = Bad

I worked that out by knowing the tv series lmao.

no no no,

hm = good
hmmm = maybe/kinda
mmmm = unsure/really?(sarcastic)
No = no
Yes = Yes
Fuck = Bad

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm [VOTE: DK] aubergine

you fosed me last time we were both town - I would expect you to be more cautious about scumreading me in the future - what gives you confidence here? what do you think is vastly different from the time you scumread me last?

@falcon45ca

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:27 pm da town: epi, tutuu, ted, mac, ender, michelle

mebe town: urist, syn, 112

people who i have legitimately not seen a single post from: drwilgy, falcon, nanook, rondo, ruri, tonystark

da idk zone: made, masterradishes, poison

woah buddy.... wtf: sig, scotty

i want bubblegum now!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:32 pm michelle please for the love of god GO READ THE GAMES I LINKED

maybe you will actually come out of it a better koba reader

you CANT READ ME based on "general wolf tells"

you're gonna look like a clown.

*you dont know my fucking townrange and it SHOWS*

No sir, i play this game
You are wolfy here, in this game

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm [VOTE: DK] aubergine

you fosed me last time we were both town - I would expect you to be more cautious about scumreading me in the future - what gives you confidence here? what do you think is vastly different from the time you scumread me last?

I see you using a lot of AtE, avoiding posting about your reads, using Mac's read on you to pressure others to town read you as well

When was this last game you mention?

DO NOT CALL ME SIR

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:36 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm [VOTE: DK] aubergine

you fosed me last time we were both town - I would expect you to be more cautious about scumreading me in the future - what gives you confidence here? what do you think is vastly different from the time you scumread me last?

I see you using a lot of AtE, avoiding posting about your reads, using Mac's read on you to pressure others to town read you as well

When was this last game you mention?

the one where i absoutely buried you for fosing me d1 lmfao

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:35 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm [VOTE: DK] aubergine

you fosed me last time we were both town - I would expect you to be more cautious about scumreading me in the future - what gives you confidence here? what do you think is vastly different from the time you scumread me last?

@falcon45ca

You're champin' at the bit, eh? Why does my vote concern you so much?

because thats how town!me reacts to pressure my guy

are you going to presume you are accurate in reading me with a 0% reading rate on me thus far?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:36 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:27 pm [VOTE: DK] aubergine

you fosed me last time we were both town - I would expect you to be more cautious about scumreading me in the future - what gives you confidence here? what do you think is vastly different from the time you scumread me last?

I see you using a lot of AtE, avoiding posting about your reads, using Mac's read on you to pressure others to town read you as well

When was this last game you mention?

the one where i absoutely buried you for fosing me d1 lmfao

That doesn't help, what was the game?



You're fiesty fella, aren't ya?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:18 pm michelle, i intentionally posted those games i did to show that everything you've tried to sling at me is strictly NAI for me and you refuse to look at the information and inform yourself. that's your own fault if anything.

you have bad preconceptions of how town/scum act and i can't change that unless you want to

I don't have preconceptions, that is insulting my play and you should stop doing it

"you are using a lot of AtE" - NAI, useless point

"avoiding posting about your reads" - misrep, I do post reads, I just dont like readlists because they are largely useless content on demand.

"using mac's read to remove pressure" - my guy that is ~not~ a good reason to fos me. i only mentioned it once in passing and you are treating me like I continuously shove it in people's face.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:36 pm DO NOT CALL ME SIR

Sorry, english is my 4th language, i will try to remember this

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:38 pm because thats how town!me reacts to pressure my guy

are you going to presume you are accurate in reading me with a 0% reading rate on me thus far?

Yes sir, I may just presume that I am!

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:39 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:18 pm michelle, i intentionally posted those games i did to show that everything you've tried to sling at me is strictly NAI for me and you refuse to look at the information and inform yourself. that's your own fault if anything.

you have bad preconceptions of how town/scum act and i can't change that unless you want to

I don't have preconceptions, that is insulting my play and you should stop doing it

you are insulting my play by telling me its gross for me to do/not do stuff.

your read on me is incorrect by miles for ridiculously NAI reasons and you are stubborn and refuse to acknowledge you could be wrong because you are so far in deep that you think you have to be right. "ohoho they push back so i must be right" is the most egregiously wrong way to approach the game and you should know that. thats how you hand scum free mislims on a silver platter and help them achieve wincon.

go. read. my. completed. games. and then, after that, if you still think i'm scum, I'll full claim for you. Deal?

hi im actually very upset at being continously misgendered so lets *not* be transphobic and do it on purpose!

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:38 pm because thats how town!me reacts to pressure my guy

are you going to presume you are accurate in reading me with a 0% reading rate on me thus far?

The 0% is false
Just because i TR you in the bread game doesn't mean i didn't find you as town in other games where you were town.

and what games have we played since? link them.

rondo completely dipped when i tried to get them to state a read on me btw - do you think that is towny, michelle?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:03 pm I kinda wanted to see how long I could go with the gimmick and retain the ability to get some amount of thoughts across, id say it worked reasonably well and the people paying attention/trying to were mostly able to accurately interpret it.

I'm dropping it now just because I cannot emphasize enough how epi is not townie and should not be townread

<darth vader>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:20 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:03 pm I kinda wanted to see how long I could go with the gimmick and retain the ability to get some amount of thoughts across, id say it worked reasonably well and the people paying attention/trying to were mostly able to accurately interpret it.

I'm dropping it now just because I cannot emphasize enough how epi is not townie and should not be townread

Why would scum!Epi dayvig NAA like that instead of just dayvigging Mac?

Cause he's annoyed with him

Sure.

But that seems like bad mafia skill usage.

I mean if he didnt he was going to die to Axe in the night anyway so its holds water killing him

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:42 pm hi im actually very upset at being continously misgendered so lets *not* be transphobic and do it on purpose!

How can you accuse me of misgendering you on purposes?
I said i don't see on phone the player's gender so it's a genuine mistake.

This is out of the game and of the read, i never wanted to offend you, i am really sorry if i did. I blame the tiredness is almost 6 am and i slept only few hours.

Btw i am not transphobic, keep this in mind please.

i was talking about falcon

can you link those games you played with me in because I do not remember seeing you in my games since bread

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:40 pm "you are using a lot of AtE" - NAI, useless point

"avoiding posting about your reads" - misrep, I do post reads, I just dont like readlists because they are largely useless content on demand.

"using mac's read to remove pressure" - my guy that is ~not~ a good reason to fos me. i only mentioned it once in passing and you are treating me like I continuously shove it in people's face.

The first part I disagree.

The second, fine if that's how you play, I'll accept that.

The third part, do you stand behind Mac's read on you as a reason to town read you?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:50 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:40 pm "you are using a lot of AtE" - NAI, useless point

"avoiding posting about your reads" - misrep, I do post reads, I just dont like readlists because they are largely useless content on demand.

"using mac's read to remove pressure" - my guy that is ~not~ a good reason to fos me. i only mentioned it once in passing and you are treating me like I continuously shove it in people's face.

The first part I disagree.

The second, fine if that's how you play, I'll accept that.

The third part, do you stand behind Mac's read on you as a reason to town read you?

prove that AtE is scum indicative for me.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:42 pm hi im actually very upset at being continously misgendered so lets *not* be transphobic and do it on purpose!

My bad, I didn't do it on purpose. It won't happen again

and i think trusting the IC's townreads is good practice. scumreads, not so much.

its why i unvoted sig and I will sheep it until I should not.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:43 pm and what games have we played since? link them.

I won't do this either. Searching in my MU alts after my games is exhausting

And is not helping this game at all.

Like i said, you can break your meta and digging old games are not so important.
I can treat you like a new player and what i said about you is objectively wolfy.

My scum meta has gotten notably weaker because my town game has improved in a way that i havent yet found success replicating as scum.

treating me like a new player is bad because i have complexities that new players do not and play a very manipulative game. (i.e. i will lie about some reads on purpose to get scum to think i hold those reads and gauge reactions around that read)