The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm TH was in Jack's camp until this moment, without exception:

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:30 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 am Nah I don't buy that

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 amYou bad

I'm not bothered by this. I think I can see the wheels turning in both players' heads here -- both regarding Jack's theory and Turnip Head's reception of that theory. The whole exchange is on-brand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:06 pm G-Man's vote does not inspire confidence either.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm TH was in Jack's camp until this moment, without exception:

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:30 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 am Nah I don't buy that

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 amYou bad

I'm not bothered by this. I think I can see the wheels turning in both players' heads here -- both regarding Jack's theory and Turnip Head's reception of that theory. The whole exchange is on-brand.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:09 pm Opinion noted.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:58 pm Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

Turnip Head has four votes. Your take on him?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:14 pm Cfd Sloonei, anyone?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:08 pm Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:14 pm Cfd Sloonei, anyone?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:08 pm Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

No one was voting for Juliets.

The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:21 pm I am not going to vote for TH unless I have no choice. G-Man and MR are the counterwagons here imo. If you don't want to be on me at end of day start.contemplating which of them you want lynched. I would prefer it to be MR over G-Man beacuse the MR suspicion has the right combination of momentum without ever seeming to be able to get over the line. Of the three c'wagons I'd say that's your huckleberr.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:22 pm Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:18 pm Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:22 pm Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:18 pm Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:18 pm Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:22 pm Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

Because he was tugging at my heart strings.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

She worked too hard to quantify tossing a vote on me. She wrote a prep post for it, then in the vote post she wrote a wall of drivel to justify voting there. It's what nervous scum do especially when voting to block progression of a teammate wagon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:01 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:12 pm I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

This is a classic scum vote. Talk about someone else first. But ultimately have little reason to have even brought it up because the goal is to get your vote on the mislynch.

honestly this is actually a really good point. I still think Mac is scum but he could be right about sabie if they're on opposing scum teams and she's teammates with gman or radish or jack or th -- not sure what exactly the poll looked like at the time so not sure which is the more likely relevant counterwagon, but your argument about it being TH since they're the one she mentioned in the post and justified not voting makes sense (although I mostly townread them).

I still think sloonei is scum and probably a teammate of mac -- especially given his big push on sabie right after mac's callout of her. Not a great look with that timing and all, like this is the last hope they have to start up another promising counterwagon to save mac?

I see SVS asked me something about mac but I'm not really clear on what she's asking. I have stated pretty clearly that I suspect mac, and his progression on me was icky since he townread me at first but as soon as jack seemed confident I was bad he just latched on to that, trusting jack's history without taking into account his own prior read of me and then just confbiased everything I said as scummy -- and as Jay pointed out, town mac tends to tunnel his reads a lot more and doesn't just 180 based on someone else's opinion. I know he'll argue that he strengthened his scumread of me independently during our interaction but at the time it felt like he was forcing/projecting it. And he *still* never even acknowledged my actual flip so it's like he's afraid to admit he was wrong.

Anyone suspecting sprityo is wrong, he's town imo. His vote for nanook wasn't *ideal* but he's coming from a limited perspective since he hasn't had time to read everything (he spent a large portion of the beginning of the game flying halfway around the world) and his vote was based on a hard stance that he took that colin was a mislynch target, and I respect that.

Still have mixed feelings about Jack, idk there. He does seem to be holding back a little bit which isn't great, but there have been several things that made me think he's just more likely town.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:00 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:56 pm I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

I'll speak in case she is out of or low on ghost posts: she voiced suspicion of Mac before she was dead. You can piece together her perspective around that point in her post history.

I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:30 pm g-man and radishes are partners.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:16 pm @TonyStarkPrime I only see TH included in your "baddie" section of your reads list and a qualifier that he is a "shrug read". Is that still accurate?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:30 pm g-man and radishes are partners.

This ^^^

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:53 pm [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Not feeling the Jack or G-man wagons.

Will check in later.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:18 pm Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:09 pm Opinion noted.

What's your take on the Turnip?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:31 pm God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.