The Syndicate

Hmm.

First off, I wanna point out something I noticed. Spiral earlier tried to claim credit for the Marrow lynch and said I "stood in the way" of it by not voting that day. Turns out, he didn't vote that day either. He also hadn't helped lynch a single baddie, until Polaris (where I agree he deserves a good deal of credit for putting the first vote on her). But still: Pot, kettle.

Anyway, I reviewed Longshot, Havok, and Spiral's voting records. None of them had helped lynch a baddie, except Longshot voting Exodus (if you, like me, believe he was bad) toward the end of his lynch, until Havok and Spiral did with Polaris. Which is a pretty major plus for them imo.

Longshot's Spiral vote just looks SO BAD. I think the baddies are low on numbers. (Bullz established that they have a maximum of 3 members left iirc, and he and I both theorize that Magneto is dead as well.) I just can't see, given that scenario, how it makes sense for Spiral to vote a teammate that early in a lynch, or how it would make sense for Havok to put Polaris back in the lead so late. Longshot's vote makes perfect sense from a baddie perspective.

Interesting side note: neither Havok nor Spiral has voted for the same player more than once (unless you count non-votes by Spiral), and they've voted the same 6 of the past 8 days. Not sure it means anything, but it seemed interesting.

Anyway, I'm gonna vote for Longshot.

Spiral wrote:

Avalanche wrote:I really think you guys are making a mistake voting for Havok. As he pointed out, he voted to tie Polaris. Voting records are the one thing I trust. I smell a rat in the state of Denmark.

I am voting for Longshot, and I hope the rest of you sensible people will join me. Remember, I was right about Polaris.

p.s. sorry I've not been around. I was out of town with little/no reception.

I was right about Polaris too.


why Longshot more? Can you talk more about it?

I'm King of the Morlocks. I can talk about anything I want.

Look at Longshot's voting record. He voted to put the nail in Bullzeye's coffin. He tried to put the nail in yours. Recent votes matter more than old ones, because there are not many baddies left and they are being forced out of their hidey-holes. Polaris would not be dead without Havok, which makes me trust him, at least more than Longshot.

Oh, and: I think Longshot voting Exodus fits with what I suspect about the baddies' play when Exodus was info-dumped against. Havok was saying he thought they'd defend Exodus tooth and nail, but we now pretty much know that wasn't the case. They basically let Exodus be killed, and I think it was because they were scared of the info. I think that sliding a vote onto a teammate at the end of that lynch is the smart thing to do as a baddie, if that's how you decided to play it. Leave yourself time to see how the lynch will go, show you're with the civvies.

Spiral didn't vote that day and Havok voted Mojo, so their votes that day don't totally exonerate them in my mind. Just saying Longshot's fits with how I think the baddies played that day.

VOting for Longshot. Even if I didn't have to vote that way to save myself, I would still be voting Longshot. Rasputin summed it up nicely pointing out the Polaris lynch.

Bullz and Spiral, I wish you guys would reconsider your vote today. Bullzeye, again I ask you this: You said that the reason that you think I'm bad is because of my theory that Exodus was not brotherhood, right? What would I stand to gain by posting that theory if I was a member of the brotherhood? There was no bad intention behind it. I just became convinced of something and was wrong. Simple as that. We can't connect anyone to Exodus, so convincing people he was civvie wouldn't be helpful.

The Morlocks are not great sign makers, but you have to admire their enthusiasm.

Havok wrote:VOting for Longshot. Even if I didn't have to vote that way to save myself, I would still be voting Longshot. Rasputin summed it up nicely pointing out the Polaris lynch.

Bullz and Spiral, I wish you guys would reconsider your vote today. Bullzeye, again I ask you this: You said that the reason that you think I'm bad is because of my theory that Exodus was not brotherhood, right? What would I stand to gain by posting that theory if I was a member of the brotherhood? There was no bad intention behind it. I just became convinced of something and was wrong. Simple as that. We can't connect anyone to Exodus, so convincing people he was civvie wouldn't be helpful.

I don't know. Like I said, maybe I was biased by knowing you were almost definitely wrong while I read it but even when I was first dead and had no idea I'd be back, when I'd read the thread and see you pushing that theory I just felt like you had to be bad. I felt like you were trying to cover up for the infodump and cover for your team or something. I dunno, it just felt wrong to me.

But what would I be covering up? Exodus was the only one implicated in the info dump.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Hmm.

First off, I wanna point out something I noticed. Spiral earlier tried to claim credit for the Marrow lynch and said I "stood in the way" of it by not voting that day. Turns out, he didn't vote that day either. He also hadn't helped lynch a single baddie, until Polaris (where I agree he deserves a good deal of credit for putting the first vote on her). But still: Pot, kettle.

Your definition of baddie is very revealing, I think.

Avalanche wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Avalanche wrote:I really think you guys are making a mistake voting for Havok. As he pointed out, he voted to tie Polaris. Voting records are the one thing I trust. I smell a rat in the state of Denmark.

I am voting for Longshot, and I hope the rest of you sensible people will join me. Remember, I was right about Polaris.

p.s. sorry I've not been around. I was out of town with little/no reception.

I was right about Polaris too.


why Longshot more? Can you talk more about it?

I'm King of the Morlocks. I can talk about anything I want.

Look at Longshot's voting record. He voted to put the nail in Bullzeye's coffin. He tried to put the nail in yours. Recent votes matter more than old ones, because there are not many baddies left and they are being forced out of their hidey-holes. Polaris would not be dead without Havok, which makes me trust him, at least more than Longshot.

Thank you. I will switch my vote.

Longshot has definitely felt iffy to me, I agree. I am OK voting there.

Maybe Longshot is bad. I can vote there.

I know I've said I've felt uneasy about Havok off and on throughout this game. There's that nagging feeling I've always had of him since the way he disputed my "case" and put out his own theory about it. But I think his vote for Polaris was what finally removed any doubt I had of him. I'm willing to go with Longshot, mostly because I agree that his vote for Spiral just looks really, really bad to me.

Linki: I think I might go for Shaw next. He's the only other person at this point who gives me the creeps.

Sebastian Shaw wrote:Maybe Longshot is bad. I can vote there.

What about you

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Poll ended at Mon May 12, 2014 6:38 pm

Bullzeye
0
No votes

Havok
1
Bullzeye (6)
7%

Longshot
7
Avalanche (7), Mikhail Rasputin (8), Havok (9), Spiral (11), White Queen (12), Sebastian Shaw (13), Shadowcat (14)
50%

Mikhail Rasputin
0
No votes

Sebastian Shaw
0
No votes

Shadowcat
0
No votes

Spiral
0
No votes

White Queen
0
No votes

Doctor Strange (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
6
Epignosis (1), Boogs (2), Hawkeye (3), MovingPictures07 (4), Elohcin (5), Deadpool (10)
43%


Total votes : 14

Up to this point, Longshot had enjoyed plenty of incredible luck, as was his nature.

But today, Lady Luck turned down the corners of her mouth and would have nothing to do with him. In her stead was Lady Logic, who had decided he needed to go, and there were plenty of angry mutants ready to heed that call.

The Astral Plane became more rigid, and defined boundaries- gray walls- formed.

The scream of a test subject grew ever louder until it stopped.

“Subject Lambda…failure.”

Colonel William Stryker cursed and threw a clipboard across the room. It was then that he saw the group of mutants standing before him in the Weapon X facility. Others saw them to, and raised their rifles, shouting directions.

“Silence!” Stryker ordered.

He addressed these unexpected guests, his frustration with past failures mingling with a renewed optimism.

“Department K needs this to succeed,” he growled. “And I am responsible if it does not. The last eleven volunteers have…well, their results were less than fortunate. However, we believe the procedure is precise this time. Is anyone interested in becoming Weapon X Mk. 7? Submit your application privately, as well as your recommendations. Whoever volunteers and has the highest number of recommendations will be accepted to the program.”

Oh man, I really regret that.

I think someone I trust is lying.

Damn. RIP Longshot.

Yeah we've made a habit of that this game. It worked with Hawkeye. Not so much here.

Mikhail why are you less concerned about finding baddies lately?

Spiral wrote:Mikhail why are you less concerned about finding baddies lately?

What are you talking about? That's a hell of a charge to make. I'm all about finding baddies, and always have been.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:Mikhail why are you less concerned about finding baddies lately?

What are you talking about? That's a hell of a charge to make. I'm all about finding baddies, and always have been.

You've been far less talkative and conducive to discussion.

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:Mikhail why are you less concerned about finding baddies lately?

What are you talking about? That's a hell of a charge to make. I'm all about finding baddies, and always have been.

You've been far less talkative and conducive to discussion.

That doesn't mean anything. Discussion is bad anyway. I am pretty disappointed about Longshot though. I really thought we were right about him.

Spiral wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Spiral wrote:Mikhail why are you less concerned about finding baddies lately?

What are you talking about? That's a hell of a charge to make. I'm all about finding baddies, and always have been.

You've been far less talkative and conducive to discussion.

Bullshit. When I was talking a bunch, everyone was saying I was steering the lynches. Now I'm not doing enough to help? I realized I probably wasn't right about everything, so I'm trying to give others time to get their ideas heard. And I haven't had to build cases the past 2 days because I agreed with what was put forth.

Avalanche wrote:I am pretty disappointed about Longshot though. I really thought we were right about him.

Agreed.

Quiet tonight. Too quiet. I suspect dark doings a'transpiring.

Avalanche wrote:Quiet tonight. Too quiet. I suspect dark doings a'transpiring.

Too quiet? But I thought discussion was a bad thing??

Bullzeye wrote:

Avalanche wrote:Quiet tonight. Too quiet. I suspect dark doings a'transpiring.

Too quiet? But I thought discussion was a bad thing??

Discussion is bad, but aimless noisemaking is good.


BLAH!

“No recommendations for any volunteers I see,” Stryker said. “Cowards! Bring in the next subject!”

A message from Professor X:

Oh my silly mutants, how apt you are to chase down rabbit holes. Havok is not the one causing havoc. He's a friendly sort. You have to start trusting each other a little more.

Why, thank you, Professor X.

Either Shaw is bad or we have been wrong about Shadowcat....or both.

What? I'm not bad. :P

Havok wrote:Why, thank you, Professor X.

Either Shaw is bad or we have been wrong about Shadowcat....or both.

We almost definitely aren't wrong about Shadowcat. I'm 99% sure Exodus was bad and that would mean she can't be.

Shaw, how aren't you bad?

Epignosis: What is Apocalypse's win condition???

Havok wrote:Epignosis: What is Apocalypse's win condition???

Epignosis: What are all the secrets listed on the role page?

Also, yay no death.

Avalanche wrote:

Havok wrote:Epignosis: What is Apocalypse's win condition???

Epignosis: What are all the secrets listed on the role page?

Avalanche
*Secret*

Still wets the bed. Worships Chairman Mao.

Let's float this idea......

Lynch White Queen??

Thoughts?

linki: LOL

Epignosis wrote: Avalanche
*Secret*

Still wets the bed. Worships Chairman Mao.

Morlocks don't have beds. Joke's on you.

Havok wrote:Let's float this idea......

Lynch White Queen??

Thoughts?

linki: LOL

Personally, I am becoming increasing convinced that there are no baddies left, so I would be open to that.

Havok wrote:Let's float this idea......

Lynch White Queen??

Thoughts?

linki: LOL

And after all the defending of you I have done?

OK, lets do that.

*Votes*

Mr Host with the Most; if all votes come in early, would you end after 24 hours?

White Queen, if you have any idea who the remaining bad guys are, I would be happy to listen, but I am pretty stumped, so otherwise I am voting for you.

White Queen wrote:Mr Host with the Most; if all votes come in early, would you end after 24 hours?

I can.

White Queen wrote:

Havok wrote:Let's float this idea......

Lynch White Queen??

Thoughts?

linki: LOL

And after all the defending of you I have done?

OK, lets do that.

*Votes*

If I believe that all the brotherhood members are gone, yet the game is still not over what else would you have me do other than vote for the person I think is Apocalypse???

Havok wrote:Why, thank you, Professor X.

Either Shaw is bad or we have been wrong about Shadowcat....or both.

Bullzeye wrote:

Havok wrote:Why, thank you, Professor X.

Either Shaw is bad or we have been wrong about Shadowcat....or both.

We almost definitely aren't wrong about Shadowcat. I'm 99% sure Exodus was bad and that would mean she can't be.

Yeah, Shadowcat is out. I also think Shaw is good, personally. But there's got to be at least one Brotherhood left, right? Because none have died since Pyro killed someone, iirc. Although night actions would still go through if they were killed, so Banshee or Deadpool could've been Pyro. I also still think it's possible Spiral is bad.

If by some stroke of luck the baddies are all dead, it makes me think Apocalypse's win condition may be holding us back from victory. I have one idea regarding that. We never got confirmation that this was how the role worked, so put it in the "pretty far-out speculation" area:

Some surmised based on X-Men lore a few days ago, Apocalypse's role was to augment 4 players' or roles' powers and then to win by keeping them alive until the end (possibly without them knowing it). I think this is plausible, though we don't have any evidence of it yet besides a lack of denial, and, iirc, a few vague hints from White Queen (I can try to find and quote them if necessary).

If that is Apocalypse's role, and White Queen is Apocalypse, there's only 1 player that I think could fit the bill of her chosen player. She's stood by this player through thick and thin, sometimes totally irrationally from my point of view, and has gone hard after anyone expressing any kind of suspicion of him for days and days. I'm having trouble explaining it without there being something in it for her. I think White Queen might be protecting Havok to keep herself in the game.

Again, this is in the "pretty far out there" realm, and I think we're best advised to make sure there are no baddies left among us before pursuing it. Thoughts?

Also, I think White Queen voting herself is a super obvious ploy to waste our time so she can NK more of us and so we'll stop trying to eliminate her. So I don't think we should lynch her.