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Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:47 am**

[VOTE: Motobot] aubergine

Whatever. Kinda hate this game.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am**

This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:21 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.

I don’t think motobot is connected (engaged) in doing anything in this internet-provided game of mafia. Least of all toDay, since he didn’t even post to sustain this vote.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:29 am**

Sorry for not posting yesterday it was my older brother's birthday

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:32 am**

motobot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:29 am Sorry for not posting yesterday it was my older brother's birthday

Yeah just kill this.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:33 am**

It's mafia and needs to get out.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:41 am**

I know the mech is scary but I want to be useful this game has blown chunks for me like as in I'm playing poorly not as in I'm unhappy with the game design or not having fun I'm just playing bad. Last night I did something good and I want it to matter.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:22 pm**

*Points to Jay's wagon*

No, back to here. It is possibly melo, not the time to blindly trust mech.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:52 pm**

Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

+

Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:53 pm**

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:41 am I know the mech is scary but I want to be useful this game has blown chunks for me like as in I'm playing poorly not as in I'm unhappy with the game design or not having fun I'm just playing bad. Last night I did something good and I want it to matter.

It's ok, I think you're in for a guaranteed satisfaction

either by successful mech

or by successful dupe move

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:54 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:35 pm Low key the mech stuff kinda slowed this game down a lot.

However doesn't help that it's been all town deaths as well and motivation is just tanking.

.....

Annnnnnd the few super active players died.

Which like...again that Scotty Day 1 yeet I'm mostly pointing at as one of the worst moves I've seen for a Day 1 because that dude was obviously town.

I'm almost incapable of scumreading scotty I think. Idk how anyone does it

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:59 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:29 am I say we flip the moto read. That's my Occam take. If we lose, gg, congrats wolfs.

Zenon being town and asking to be flipped is a self-destructive town move or a wolf flaunt. Welcome to WIFOMville.

Wouldnt it just give us a better chance to flip in zenon/jjj? If belzy's w/w theory is correct then it's an auto miss. If between the 2 its 1 town 1 wolf then it's probably better to flip the one potentially framing moto no? Or are we getting boned on points here, cuz I'm not keeping track of that stuff

Also is there a hammer

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:00 pm**

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:37 am Look. I fucking hate mech. I wouldn't be bringing it up unless I'm telling the truth or making a wolf gambit. And I am willing to die to prove that it's the truth

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:01 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:38 am It’s lylo if it’s 6 vs 4, moto flips town and mafia reaches parity with night kill.

Same if we flip you, just like you said, which is insane talk coming from town in this scenario.

It may also be gg if mafia has the mechanical votes.

Yeah... kinda insane...

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:02 pm**

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:46 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 am You don't risk the game on a maybe when you have a gurantee
You call it a guarantee, even though your read could be just as corrupt as Jay’s has proven to be. Or the killer cannot be tracked. Or various other mech difficulties.

There is no objective guarantee with this.
Well I mean I know I'm the role I claim with the results I claim so like yes it's a guarantee fmpov

But like are you willing to risk the game on trying to play "is Zenon lying?"

That's every game we play that you're also in lol

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:03 pm**

Especially when you're always doing self voting and hammering

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.

What do you mean

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.
What do you mean

What I said earlier with the "JJJ is maf that faked a red check on Meat and got him yeeted, so Zenon also is maf faking a red check on a town in hopes that we fall for it again" post.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:10 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:52 pm Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

+

Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?

To be fair yesterday was not 6v4

And why are you shading sean here?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:11 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.
What do you mean
What I said earlier with the "JJJ is maf that faked a red check on Meat and got him yeeted, so Zenon also is maf faking a red check on a town in hopes that we fall for it again" post.

So you think it's most likely w/w?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:12 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:52 pm Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

+

Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?
To be fair yesterday was not 6v4

And why are you shading sean here?

I mean I'd also like an answer to the question lol, but the way you put it felt like unnecessary shade

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:13 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:11 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.
What do you mean
What I said earlier with the "JJJ is maf that faked a red check on Meat and got him yeeted, so Zenon also is maf faking a red check on a town in hopes that we fall for it again" post.
So you think it's most likely w/w?

Lol wait but you also think moto is wolf? Doesnt that seem kind of incongruent? Unless this is a bus on moto?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:14 pm**

I honestly think the biggest thing zenon has going for her claim is that moto isnt obv town, I also think moto could easily be lhf that the wolves have let live this long to scapegoat with since he has been really - and I mean really - low impact all game

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:26 pm**

Like if jjj is wolf what numbers advantage do they even get pulling that gambit *yesterday*? Knowing that meatbaby flips town. I can clearly see the motive behind a wolf neon going after a town moto here though, with how close we are in numbers. But i cant explicitly find a reason to say they are entirely unpaired, because brad's theory is possible too. This is gonna sound dumb cuz duh, but the wolves have more info than what has been revealed in thread I think, so I think they are pulling a gambit here to try and win. Which leads me back to thinking moto is scapegoat. So in a best world scenario (I think?): moto and jjj are town, zenon wolf. If either go over, solid chance we just lose today. Worst case scenario (I think?): jjj and zenon are wolf together and actually just fake claimed their way to a win

In both scenarios i think moto is likely town, so wagons at end of day should probably be between jjj and zenon. Unless anyone wants to correct me.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:40 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:59 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:29 am I say we flip the moto read. That's my Occam take. If we lose, gg, congrats wolfs.

Zenon being town and asking to be flipped is a self-destructive town move or a wolf flaunt. Welcome to WIFOMville.
Wouldnt it just give us a better chance to flip in zenon/jjj? If belzy's w/w theory is correct then it's an auto miss. If between the 2 its 1 town 1 wolf then it's probably better to flip the one potentially framing moto no? Or are we getting boned on points here, cuz I'm not keeping track of that stuff

Also is there a hammer

Belzy's w/w angle is the most bonkers, because it'd require two phase worth of planning, silencing a teammate (zenon D3) and lucking on there not being an actual tracker/watcher ready to counter-claim and sink this on D3 already.

Zenon being wolf vs Jay being town also requires the idea that she was perhaps silenced by teammates and came with this strategy toDay.

I think both moto and Jay are +2 in hunger, so far we have moto going down, unless more vote shenanigans.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:41 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:12 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:52 pm Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

+

Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?
To be fair yesterday was not 6v4

And why are you shading sean here?
I mean I'd also like an answer to the question lol, but the way you put it felt like unnecessary shade

I didn't mean to shade, but honestly Seanzie is putting so little effort, his statement felt off, given that yesterDay he was also "welp we have wolf vote bye bye".

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:45 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:26 pm Like if jjj is wolf what numbers advantage do they even get pulling that gambit *yesterday*? Knowing that meatbaby flips town. I can clearly see the motive behind a wolf neon going after a town moto here though, with how close we are in numbers. But i cant explicitly find a reason to say they are entirely unpaired, because brad's theory is possible too. This is gonna sound dumb cuz duh, but the wolves have more info than what has been revealed in thread I think, so I think they are pulling a gambit here to try and win. Which leads me back to thinking moto is scapegoat. So in a best world scenario (I think?): moto and jjj are town, zenon wolf. If either go over, solid chance we just lose today. Worst case scenario (I think?): jjj and zenon are wolf together and actually just fake claimed their way to a win

In both scenarios i think moto is likely town, so wagons at end of day should probably be between jjj and zenon. Unless anyone wants to correct me.

Big paragraph is for me the exact WIFOM wormhole we're dealing him. Exactly cuz the claims are identical (well, they are, now that JJJ clarified yesterday's take).

I would lean into Zenon's silenced D3 being a town sign for her. There has been no claim, so the tool is likely a wolf tool.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:48 pm**

More paranoia:

if JJJ is town, one vote is required to gamble with a tie, two votes to sink him

assuming Belzy and Seanzie are wolves, the above applies

if one or neither are, the odds are even worse

bottom line, a mislynch is entirely within range to happen, even at the very last minute

so much for trusting anything, anyone

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:53 pm**

so yeah, I think town is likely fucked on votes alone

four wolves can pile and clinch it (with, maybe even w/o hunger add-on)
if moto is wolf and non-performing and loose with voting, that might hamper them a bit, so just a three-wolf pile

that still means all five active town (assuming Martin town as the sidelined voter) need to unite on a wagon
if moto is on town side, we're never achieving that, lol

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:54 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:13 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:11 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:52 am This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it.

But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out.
What do you mean
What I said earlier with the "JJJ is maf that faked a red check on Meat and got him yeeted, so Zenon also is maf faking a red check on a town in hopes that we fall for it again" post.
So you think it's most likely w/w?
Lol wait but you also think moto is wolf? Doesnt that seem kind of incongruent? Unless this is a bus on moto?

No mostly voting Motobot out of annoyance, plus are you reading his iso and literally he just did what I said he was doing.

So probably just wolf taunting/lolcatting after all of that.

Which... could result in Zenon actually being town if Moto actually is mafia.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:56 pm**

Like I'm partially going haywire because of how the game has gone and just hoping to god to get some sort of positive result out of it.

This is also a decision where if it's wrong I'm sort of not caring.

But it's probably right.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:59 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:53 pm so yeah, I think town is likely fucked on votes alone

four wolves can pile and clinch it (with, maybe even w/o hunger add-on)
if moto is wolf and non-performing and loose with voting, that might hamper them a bit, so just a three-wolf pile

that still means all five active town (assuming Martin town as the sidelined voter) need to unite on a wagon
if moto is on town side, we're never achieving that, lol

Like this here is 100% true because the dude has just planted on me all game and I'm town.

If he's town too the game's fucked.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:31 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:54 pm

No mostly voting Motobot out of annoyance, plus are you reading his iso and literally he just did what I said he was doing.

Outside any claim game, I would probably urge to avoid this mindset against a kid with little to no active engagement with the game.

Elim him cuz POE, sure.

Confident none of it is done in bad faith.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:56 pm**

In before JJJ and Zenon are wolves and you guys make us lose another town game by voting moto.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:58 pm**

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:26 am *checks game*

yep looks like we're still screwed
Wanna vote the mech outed scum pls

Lol. JJJ "mech outed scum" meatbaby. How is yours any different?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:59 pm**

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:36 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:25 am It's not necessarily the motivation tanking, it's the mech claim making players park a vote and bail on play for a second phase running.

Though the JJJ voters are the ones active and talking.

Zenon now wants to be flipped, but that's game-losing if she is indeed town, so what's the point of this request, if town?

motobot parked a vote, didn't even post.

Porscha is among the talkers, but seems to hold on to voting.

Falcon is bail on activity, either that's wolf leisure or, as I've said, I need a manual on how he can decide to play like this as town.
It's not game losing it guarantees my info which proves 2 things

Moto is guaranteed wolf

JJJ is >rand wolf because no host is giving two identical roles to town

You are wolf with JJJ. I bet my life on it.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:01 pm**

LYNCH JJJ

DO NOT TRUST ZENON

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:05 pm**

JJJ and Zenon were my scumreads, then JJJ framed mearbaby, and Zenon now moto: the least likely player who can defend himself.

It is fishy. It reeks!

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm**

There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm**

An error in the poll time has been corrected. It had Day 4 running until Sunday, July 21st, 2024.

Carry on.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.

Elaborate on the "holes".

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:10 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.
Elaborate on the "holes".

Stating moto is mech cleared wolf. While JJJ did the same on meatbaby. So how can this be?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.
Elaborate on the "holes".
Stating moto is mech cleared wolf. While JJJ did the same on meatbaby. So how can this be?

They both deduced and stated the same. How does that help us?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:13 pm**

It's such a whirpool of WIFOM it's downright nauseating.

A "kill JJJ nao" believer needs to shed light on what did JJJ try to achieve by duping us yesterDay.

A "don't trust Zenon" believer needs to give a take on Zenon's silencing D3.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:14 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.
Elaborate on the "holes".
Stating moto is mech cleared wolf. While JJJ did the same on meatbaby. So how can this be?
They both deduced and stated the same. How does that help us?

If JJJ and Zenon are wolves , and we lynch moto and moto flips town just like meatbabay , then town got fooled twice the exact same way.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:15 pm**

Once meatbaby flipped town , the only correct play is to lynch JJJ next. Zenon and JJJ are talking ppl out of it.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:17 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:14 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.
Elaborate on the "holes".
Stating moto is mech cleared wolf. While JJJ did the same on meatbaby. So how can this be?
They both deduced and stated the same. How does that help us?
If JJJ and Zenon are wolves , and we lynch moto and moto flips town just like meatbabay , then town got fooled twice the exact same way.

Not what I meant.

JJJ stated "mech outed wolf" and the majority trusted that to happen. It didn't.

Zenon stated "mech outed wolf".

The claims are the same. How do we crack them?

As for going the "fool me twice" route, the gambit is entirely a possible world. A more extreme one, though. How do we go for testing this compared to testing yet another mech-out-wolf thing?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:19 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:15 pm Once meatbaby flipped town , the only correct play is to lynch JJJ next. Zenon and JJJ are talking ppl out of it.

Why is lynching the erroneous claimer "the only correct play"?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:23 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:19 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:15 pm Once meatbaby flipped town , the only correct play is to lynch JJJ next. Zenon and JJJ are talking ppl out of it.
Why is lynching the erroneous claimer "the only correct play"?

Are you for real? A fake red check is wolf almost always. JJJ has been responsible for a lot of dead townies. How can you townread any of that?

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:27 pm**

MURDER JJJ !!!

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