Bee Mafia [CANCELED]

[Quin]

c4 can have a town read, as a year

treat

i'll give you a treat if you explain this read properly.

He seemed genuinely trying to figure out who was derp clearing and just handing out town reads to multiple people in a way I don't think scum him would be

i don't know why he thinks i was going for the derp clear. i wasn't going for the derp clear.

Your Alison read

tell me more.

[Quin]

that was my read at the time of the posts you quoted. Not my read on c4 rn

does this mean you scum read him now? if so, why did that change?

[Quin]

i just noticed i can count the number of people i've played with before in this game on one hand. i should introduce myself.

i'm quin.

[c4e5g3d5]

mansnacks is town because derp.

c4 and esooa are both scum because they interacted for an entire page and it bored me.

alison is scum because i'm a basic bitch bee and her role took 150 words to explain and she doesn't think that warrants her to pay attention to the thread.

it's mountainous bronana

@Quin

[c4e5g3d5]

i'm quin.

Wait rly

[Quin]

mansnacks is town because derp.

c4 and esooa are both scum because they interacted for an entire page and it bored me.

alison is scum because i'm a basic bitch bee and her role took 150 words to explain and she doesn't think that warrants her to pay attention to the thread.

it's mountainous bronana

@Quin

oh. i forgot what that means.

[Quin]

i mean, i googled it just now, but yeah.

erm. take it or leave it i guess.

[Quin]

i'm quin.

Wait rly

no

[Quin]

look i killed the thread

[c4e5g3d5]

@Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.

[Quin]

@Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.

is seeming towny for standard reasons not enough to view her as town?

[c4e5g3d5]

@Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.

is seeming towny for standard reasons not enough to view her as town?

If she did something reasonably scummy right now, my townread on her would melt before my eyes, so no.

[Quin]

@Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.

is seeming towny for standard reasons not enough to view her as town?

If she did something reasonably scummy right now, my townread on her would melt before my eyes, so no.

fair enough. i don't know if i can offer you anything super significant right now, but that's a hard ask this early in the game anyway.

at the very least i think her reasoning is coherent and she's generating a lot of activity. i would never lynch her day 1.

[Quin]

what do you think of me, c4?

[Quin]

and falcon. i really wanna know what you think of falcon.

[c4e5g3d5]

what do you think of me, c4?

Kinda similar to Esooa placement-wise, doesn't really feel like you've said anything you didn't have to yet though. You're not on my D1 list in any case.

[c4e5g3d5]

and falcon. i really wanna know what you think of falcon.

Annoying but all I have on him so far is a playstyle conflict. Hard null.

[Esooa]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

Cryptic and overly vague statements like this are >rand scummy

Just finished taking a shower and while there I realized this post is actually pretty bad

There's a reason literally stated within my post as to why it's vague. I have an idea for why Nanook is reading me like that, and if the idea is why he is, he's probably town. Because of that I wouldn't want to just give the reason, I'd wait for Nanook to give his to see what is is (I'm not gonna ask Nanook cause fuck that). So, why does Nanook ignore the obvious context to scum read me with a pretty bad generalized statement?

[Quin]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

Cryptic and overly vague statements like this are >rand scummy

Just finished taking a shower and while there I realized this post is actually pretty bad

There's a reason literally stated within my post as to why it's vague. I have an idea for why Nanook is reading me like that, and if the idea is why he is, he's probably town. Because of that I wouldn't want to just give the reason, I'd wait for Nanook to give his to see what is is (I'm not gonna ask Nanook cause fuck that). So, why does Nanook ignore the obvious context to scum read me with a pretty bad generalized statement?

why would you want to not ask someone to explain something if it would allow you to sort them?

[Quin]

for the record, i agree with nanook.

[Esooa]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

Cryptic and overly vague statements like this are >rand scummy

Just finished taking a shower and while there I realized this post is actually pretty bad

There's a reason literally stated within my post as to why it's vague. I have an idea for why Nanook is reading me like that, and if the idea is why he is, he's probably town. Because of that I wouldn't want to just give the reason, I'd wait for Nanook to give his to see what is is (I'm not gonna ask Nanook cause fuck that). So, why does Nanook ignore the obvious context to scum read me with a pretty bad generalized statement?

why would you want to not ask someone to explain something if it would allow you to sort them?

Nanook doesn't really answer questions and I find it annoying so I don't bother

[Quin]

i would like @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME to say things when he sees this.

it's like 2 in the morning in backwardsland and i enjoy sleeping. goodbye.

[mansnicks]

I haven't fully caught up yet. I have to say though, that this post is the most interesting one for me. It's just fascinating af.

My strongest townread is actually on c4 because he's a little skeptical of the mansnicks push but doesn't try to defend mansnicks. Skepticism = paranoia, no defense = no agenda (either way), and I think it's a flavor combination that's not trivial to fake.

Because it's such a great deep read. It requires absolute clarity and 0 paranoia - I myself would never be able to have such a read as Town or post such a read as scum out of fear of it being seen as TMI.

Reasong why this post is so fascinating for me is because it made me think of an idea that I never thought before - very strong players can, in games like this, just spit out a few "truths" like this in the early game and gain credibility for the rest of the game without it being suspicious.

Though I realize I'm the only one who holds such a high regard to this read. But can anyone quickly confirm that this read is well inside Alison's town range?

[hr][/hr]

when @mansnicks provides that meta we're waiting on.

Mafia
Town
Mafia
Town - Game onoing and I swapped out, but my slot is dead and flipped.

From the 5 MU games you provided, 1 is turbo 1 is hydra 1 is Ultra-Low Postcount Game.
I glanced over the other 2, though they were in November which isn't as recent as I'd have hoped. Disappointingly, neither of them are really that similar to your this game as I would've hoped for, while being similar between themselves. For example, in neither game you had or defended a strong townread like you do me this game. One game have to scroll far before first townread, the other has much more soft and much more rare.
Additionally, you were much more critical towards other players and more pushy than here atm.

That's not to say that I don't think you're playing in your town range here, as it's close enough. But I just had hoped I could be more sure about you after comparing them to you in this game.

[hr][/hr]

my expectation from a new player being accused, specifically with the flattering, overly joyful time mannsick had at the time, is further appeasement. "Sorry you got that impression but I'm town" kinda thing

Your expectation is wrong tbh. Opposite of what's normal, not taking WIFOM into account.

The natural subconscious reaction to a player accusing you of being scum when you are town is to view them as scum. This is because you know with certainty that you are Town and that if you were to be correctly read it should be identifiable. Your mind catastrophizes the interaction and jumps to the conclusion that the other player must therefore be scum.

(not that it matters because my reaction was neither what you expect nor what the Natural OMGUS is)

[hr][/hr]

what do people think of seanzies check in?

I see people giving them some town-leans. I don't get it.
I ISO'd seanzies - and I couldn't see anything even remotely not NAI. I guess other peoples reads on sneaz are meta based?

[hr][/hr]

Occam's razor forces me to conclude that @Esooa has Town paranoia of alignments/agendas and an incentive to game solve. Thinking anything sinister beyond is just foolish in my opinion. The purest towny in my book.

The same Occam's razor, though this is not nearly as strong, makes me think that @falcon45ca is being irrirated by being mafia, has no incentive to gamesolve, and has a Scum paranoia of people's reads/skills.
Also he has insecurities about hinmself due to his desire to berrate/shade others.

[mansnicks]

@Alison
Did you understand why I said "LHF" in italics now? To describe what I thought was Esooa's thoughts proces in their decision making?

This is what caught my eye in particular. So oddly specific that he thought the fact that he put LHF in italics would make that meaning clear. So oddly specific that I think he actually thought that meaning was clear. Obviously it's still a thought he could have and try to say as scum, but this post makes me think that in general he's trying and failing to communicate effectively which is probably towny for reasons that I refuse to put effort into finding rn.

Damnit I put effort into it. It's just... the fact that he thought he could put something in italics to say it was a thought and have everyone understand where he's coming from... is really naive and really pure. Makes me think the rest of his solving is real.

Ftr, when I say what I think went through someone's mind when making a decision - I shouldn't have to explain that it's "from their mind". Somehow, when I called myself LHF, people saw it as me pointing out facts of what happend instead of what I thought went through someone's mind.

[Esooa]

lmao

I like mansnicks

And seeing as he actually went through some games I'll link some of my own

[mansnicks]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

This post gets a level -1 townread.

why

Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.

I find it weird that the English Opening is less concerned with what the reason is, and more concerned with giving out a scumread over a reason they haven't heard yet.

What is this referring to? sorry, I missed something.

[Esooa]

Mafia

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29813
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ung-Heroes
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29220

[Esooa]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

This post gets a level -1 townread.

why

Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.

I find it weird that the English Opening is less concerned with what the reason is, and more concerned with giving out a scumread over a reason they haven't heard yet.

What is this referring to? sorry, I missed something.

English opening is supposed to mean c4e5g3d5

[mansnicks]

This post gets a level -1 townread.

why

Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.

I find it weird that the English Opening is less concerned with what the reason is, and more concerned with giving out a scumread over a reason they haven't heard yet.

I find the MS Paint sketch's reading comprehension questionable.

Care to elaborate?

I find it questionable that the MS Paint sketch conflated "townread" with its sole antonym.

Ok, what are you guys talking about?
I remember c4e5g3d5 talked about some AlphaZero opening in one of his MU games - but that can't be it, can it?

[mansnicks]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

This post gets a level -1 townread.

why

Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.

I find it weird that the English Opening is less concerned with what the reason is, and more concerned with giving out a scumread over a reason they haven't heard yet.

What is this referring to? sorry, I missed something.

English opening is supposed to mean c4e5g3d5

thx

[c4e5g3d5]

From the 5 MU games you provided, 1 is turbo 1 is hydra 1 is Ultra-Low Postcount Game.
I glanced over the other 2, though they were in November which isn't as recent as I'd have hoped. Disappointingly, neither of them are really that similar to your this game as I would've hoped for, while being similar between themselves. For example, in neither game you had or defended a strong townread like you do me this game. One game have to scroll far before first townread, the other has much more soft and much more rare.
Additionally, you were much more critical towards other players and more pushy than here atm.

That's not to say that I don't think you're playing in your town range here, as it's close enough. But I just had hoped I could be more sure about you after comparing them to you in this game.

On one hand, holy shit you actually read them. I'm probably going to townread you for the foreseeable future just for that.

On the other hand, my townreads here are nowhere near as strong as in that November game lolwut

[mansnicks]

Free Town Points to anyone listing their last few Town and Mafia games, preferable ISO links.

I still haven't found the ISO buttons. xD

would you actually read all those?

underrated and afaik unanswered question. if you don't follow through it's nothing but an empty platitude.

mansnacks, would you actually read all those? have you asked a question like this before?



i also realise i am mispelling your name but i already did it once and i would also like to continue doing so

someone already asked, I already answered.
But again, ofc not all. But I would some as the need arises. It'd be especially useful later in the game with less players.

[mansnicks]

From the 5 MU games you provided, 1 is turbo 1 is hydra 1 is Ultra-Low Postcount Game.
I glanced over the other 2, though they were in November which isn't as recent as I'd have hoped. Disappointingly, neither of them are really that similar to your this game as I would've hoped for, while being similar between themselves. For example, in neither game you had or defended a strong townread like you do me this game. One game have to scroll far before first townread, the other has much more soft and much more rare.
Additionally, you were much more critical towards other players and more pushy than here atm.

That's not to say that I don't think you're playing in your town range here, as it's close enough. But I just had hoped I could be more sure about you after comparing them to you in this game.

On one hand, holy shit you actually read them. I'm probably going to townread you for the foreseeable future just for that.

On the other hand, my townreads here are nowhere near as strong as in that November game lolwut

I kinda read through only 3/5th or 4/5th of Page 1, for reference of your usual early D1s.

[c4e5g3d5]

I remember c4e5g3d5 talked about some AlphaZero opening in one of his MU games - but that can't be it, can it?

Holy shit you really did read them

AlphaZero is a Google-developed neural network made to play various games, chess included. It's the strongest chess engine in existence. 1. c4 e5 2. g3 d5 3. cxd5 Nf6 4. Bg2 Nxd5 5. Nc3 is its favorite opening. Don't know why I thought it would be a good username on one site let alone multiple but sunk cost fallacy.

Also lmao you don't need to type the whole thing out every time you can just say c4 or smth

[mansnicks]

I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

Cryptic and overly vague statements like this are >rand scummy

Just finished taking a shower and while there I realized this post is actually pretty bad

There's a reason literally stated within my post as to why it's vague. I have an idea for why Nanook is reading me like that, and if the idea is why he is, he's probably town. Because of that I wouldn't want to just give the reason, I'd wait for Nanook to give his to see what is is (I'm not gonna ask Nanook cause fuck that). So, why does Nanook ignore the obvious context to scum read me with a pretty bad generalized statement?

If you want him to answer that, why aren't you asking him directly?

[c4e5g3d5]

Someone familiar with SC2 mafia address Alison's concerns about whether ms's derp makes sense. Guess that would mean @MartinGG99.

[mansnicks]

Someone familiar with SC2 mafia address Alison's concerns about whether ms's derp makes sense. Guess that would mean @MartinGG99.

im from sc2mafia
what concerns and who's ms?

[mansnicks]

Someone familiar with SC2 mafia address Alison's concerns about whether ms's derp makes sense. Guess that would mean @MartinGG99.

Ftr, our setup pages areslightly different than honestly anywhere.

[mansnicks]

I'm ms now...

[mansnicks]

Quick question: is there any way to see a list of all players post counts?

[Esooa]

Quick question: is there any way to see a list of all players post counts?

on this page

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewforum.php?f=100

click post counts

[Esooa]

click "replies" sorry

[Esooa]

lock town

[Alison]

I am probably not gonna post much today because of real life stuff getting in the way. See you tomorrow.

[Esooa]

I am probably not gonna post much today because of real life stuff getting in the way. See you tomorrow.

I hope ur doing okay

[Alison]

I am probably not gonna post much today because of real life stuff getting in the way. See you tomorrow.

I hope ur doing okay

Yeah I am. It's more like "wow I have three major assignment deadlines on Tuesday and Wednesday" than a serious personal issue.

[c4e5g3d5]

Someone familiar with SC2 mafia address Alison's concerns about whether ms's derp makes sense. Guess that would mean @MartinGG99.

im from sc2mafia
what concerns and who's ms?

Alison said that you should be aware that flavorclaiming can't break the game if you're experienced. I said it depends on what your experience looks like. Hence this question.

[Esooa]

I stopped caring about the MS derp clear stuff like 3 posts after it happened

[c4e5g3d5]

No fair I never get to kill the thread. Someone always has to killsteal.

[Esooa]

mom said it's my turn to kill the thread