Traitors for Exile

[MissSparkles]

I’m not blaming you for anything

Then why bring up the fact I hammered in the first place? Does it actually matter?

I’m trying to drive a point home where the point is it doesn’t matter

That I hammered or that whoever brought up Poison as anti day cop who cleared himself?

Neither

Ok so where do we go from here? Cause you’re at the very top of most people’s POE

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like I wouldn’t bet the game on Mac being town if I could help it, and I can help it, but he’s super towny and I still don’t think I’ve seen all of these people in thread

Ok talk to me about why you think Mac is town then?

The derp looked good and other people think he’s towny and he lacks the Mac wolf insanity and those are about all the reasons I need at this point

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m not blaming you for anything

Then why bring up the fact I hammered in the first place? Does it actually matter?

I’m trying to drive a point home where the point is it doesn’t matter

That I hammered or that whoever brought up Poison as anti day cop who cleared himself?

Neither

Ok so where do we go from here? Cause you’re at the very top of most people’s POE

ok that’s fine idc

[TonyStarkPrime]

Chop me and then it’s your problem

[MissSparkles]

It was creature for the record, who’s also towny

Ok thx, that’s who I thought it was. Wasn’t sure

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC, Wisdom, Wiml would be my first three I think

[MissSparkles]

Chop me and then it’s your problem

I don’t want to chop u though

[TonyStarkPrime]

Then you start examining more active wolf possibilities. creature, you, Mac go next, then Gira, then KZA

[TonyStarkPrime]

Chop me and then it’s your problem

I don’t want to chop u though

ok then chop LC I guess

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m starting to wonder if our best bet is to leave the game to random number generator

[TonyStarkPrime]

But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

[MissSparkles]

Like I wouldn’t bet the game on Mac being town if I could help it, and I can help it, but he’s super towny and I still don’t think I’ve seen all of these people in thread

Ok talk to me about why you think Mac is town then?

The derp looked good and other people think he’s towny and he lacks the Mac wolf insanity and those are about all the reasons I need at this point

So meta? On day 4 ouch.

What would actually constitute as wolf insanity in a setup with two roles? Seems like you’re judging him based on more role oriented/chaotic setups?

[MissSparkles]

LC, Wisdom, Wiml would be my first three I think

Wiml who created the foolproof exile plan? Eh doubtful.

Could be LC/Wisdom I guess, Wisdom seems pretty toeny also and put attention to themselves unnecessarily on the first exile vote by self voting for a tie

LC is just doing absolutely nothing so COULD BE. But like too wolf to be wolf imo.

[MissSparkles]

Remind me of the derp again?

[MissSparkles]

But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

Sure, if we don’t believe KZA can fake that and go with the only possibility they have of getting out of that situation day 2. Aka pretend you we’re framed. Welcome to scum theatre.

I just feel like no one cares, this game won’t win itself, we need pushes.

[MissSparkles]

But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

I’d rather go with chop anyone not named Marmot/Wisdom but sure, hell I have Wiml as more likely town then KZA.

Is KZA really not capable of faking that? Are fake red checks a thing here? Cause if it is then maybe she prepared herself for that possibility?

[MissSparkles]

Rather then just give up by not posting cause red check

[MissSparkles]

I think we gotta stop looking at LHF and start thinking about the plays the active players have done snd the scum motive behind them, that’s probably how we will catch them.

[MissSparkles]

So Creature has the Poison is anti day cop who checked himself spec that lead to a ML. That’s about it, he’s been leading town well apart from that, wouldn’t yeet rn.

Mac Has his interactions with me and no reason for his pushes on me whatsoever and for calling me town then scum then town again with no reasons given. Protected KGMurphy and townread them! Jumped at a chance to go too exile with a traitor still alice (exile win was technically still possible then).

Gira has not voting KGM also and the send one player to exile idea which is meh. Been pretty lacklustre after day 1 too.

You’re just too set on never KZA, but you probably just repped in as A favour and don’t really care, this tracks as town.

LC needs to be yeeted at some point, but if he originally drew anti day cop originally then I highly doubt he plays this way, too wolf to be wolf, too lazy all game long, with no feeling of excitement from him whatsoever, probably town.

Talked about Wisdom and why I have them town already tbh.

Wiml mech solved exile pretty early on. Probably town.

Marmy is the cop; and it’s not me so

[MissSparkles]

KZA could’ve performed some pro scum theatre plus everything I said pre that fake red check being used on him tbh.

[MissSparkles]

Personally I’d rather bank this on Wisdom/Wiml/Creature then KZA but that’s just me.

[MissSparkles]

Long Con said the same thing I did re: KZA, last ditch effort? Maybe but you always yeet him before F3 regardless so i’m more inclined to think we’re just mindmelding

[MissSparkles]

So yea that about covers everything, peace out ya’ll

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like I wouldn’t bet the game on Mac being town if I could help it, and I can help it, but he’s super towny and I still don’t think I’ve seen all of these people in thread

Ok talk to me about why you think Mac is town then?

The derp looked good and other people think he’s towny and he lacks the Mac wolf insanity and those are about all the reasons I need at this point

So meta? On day 4 ouch.

What would actually constitute as wolf insanity in a setup with two roles? Seems like you’re judging him based on more role oriented/chaotic setups?

Only one of these three things is meta and I’d mean calling KZA a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

And it’s not really insanity it’s just flat what a wolf would need to do to win

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC, Wisdom, Wiml would be my first three I think

Wiml who created the foolproof exile plan? Eh doubtful.

Could be LC/Wisdom I guess, Wisdom seems pretty toeny also and put attention to themselves unnecessarily on the first exile vote by self voting for a tie

LC is just doing absolutely nothing so COULD BE. But like too wolf to be wolf imo.

Gira created the more foolproof exile plan and you want to chop them

[TonyStarkPrime]

But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

Sure, if we don’t believe KZA can fake that and go with the only possibility they have of getting out of that situation day 2. Aka pretend you we’re framed. Welcome to scum theatre.

I just feel like no one cares, this game won’t win itself, we need pushes.

Yep KZA can’t do that

[TonyStarkPrime]

But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

I’d rather go with chop anyone not named Marmot/Wisdom but sure, hell I have Wiml as more likely town then KZA.

Is KZA really not capable of faking that? Are fake red checks a thing here? Cause if it is then maybe she prepared herself for that possibility?

Wisdom??

[TonyStarkPrime]

For the record all that BS happened before I entered the game and none of it has to do with my townread on KZA

[TonyStarkPrime]

But I’ll pretend it does because it makes it simpler

[MissSparkles]

So you think it’s Long Con then?

Gira’s foolproof mech plan originally constituted of sending the cop every day, which I mean yea it would work but we needed the cop’s info in the beginning to get where we are now.

The send a different person each time is a better idea, and if we run out of options then we just send Marmot lol.

[Wisdom]

I guess poison was town then >.>

[MacDougall]

His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT

Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.

[MacDougall]

Like I wouldn’t bet the game on Mac being town if I could help it, and I can help it, but he’s super towny and I still don’t think I’ve seen all of these people in thread

Okay you can go after like Gira or something.

[MacDougall]

And it’s not really insanity it’s just flat what a wolf would need to do to win

Wiml is town. Very town.

[MacDougall]

@MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok

[MissSparkles]

@MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

[MacDougall]

Personally I think wisdom is pretty scummy but some people seem to have her as mega town. I don't have a great record of reading her. I tend to scumread her in every game so my read isn't sheepable.

TSP seems pretty townie here and now and 112 was pretty fucken townie also so like yeh whatever if he keeps solving like this he can live a bit longer. Creature is being overrated in the POE but he's pretty much alright or whatever. I think LC is more obvious town than all of those. Wiml is essentially a clear to me. Sparkles I'd also near bet the game on being town. Gira is like... yeh whatever they can die. KZA pretty fucken townie.

I am taking Wiml and KZA as clears and I think we can't lose doing that.

I guess this all means I now want Gira to die next.

[MacDougall]

@MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

[MacDougall]

@Gira you cool with dying next?

[MissSparkles]

His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT

Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.

I mean the question/comment itself wasn’t gonna aspire amazing analysis from my part, why only comment on this and not the other points, no doubt this was the weakest point so maybe that’s why

[MacDougall]

His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT

Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.

I mean the question/comment itself wasn’t gonna aspire amazing analysis from my part, why only comment on this and not the other points, no doubt this was the weakest point so maybe that’s why

This is called tunneling. You are forcing yourself to analyse all my play as scummy. You consistently call things that aren't scummy scummy. You don't understand my meta enough to have this read. Everyone else in this game has played with me multiple times. Some dozens. Defer to them. For the sake of your own ego in post game if nothing else.

[MissSparkles]

@MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

[MacDougall]

I am now taking Sparky as a clear.

[MacDougall]

@MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.

[MacDougall]

I could be shielding Long Con wrongly but like he's not gonna get to endgame so it scarcely matters.

[MacDougall]

This whole thing is an exercise in futility. If we all agree to the plan of "Wiml and KZA and Marmot go to f3". Can we just say so and let the host flip everyone outside those people? @Gavial?

[MissSparkles]

His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT

Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.

I mean the question/comment itself wasn’t gonna aspire amazing analysis from my part, why only comment on this and not the other points, no doubt this was the weakest point so maybe that’s why

This is called tunneling. You are forcing yourself to analyse all my play as scummy. You consistently call things that aren't scummy scummy. You don't understand my meta enough to have this read. Everyone else in this game has played with me multiple times. Some dozens. Defer to them. For the sake of your own ego in post game if nothing else.

So which is it? Do I not understand your meta enough? Or am I calling non scummy things scummy? If they’re not scummy in relation to you fine, but that’s not what you said?

I don’t really care if I end being wrong about you, my ego is mostly fake and for shits and gigs, this is just a game, one that I love too play and respect sure, but even if i’m right about you there’s no cash prize lol.

[Poison]

Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.