Twin Peaks Mafia BLACK LODGE: {GAME OVER}

#201

MovingPictures07 wrote: How do you figure this? I'm just curious. Because it seems to me a mafia is killing people every night. If this were an LMS game, would that not give the mafia member(s) an advantage?

It would, but the block only has one mafia in it. The endgame was intended to be "three left, now figure out who it is" - if we picked wrong, mafia wins, buts that's better than our chances in a free-for-all. Add in that we have powers that can gain us information over time, and I put my shot at around 50%.

The four-player endgame is murkier, because we dont have a good way to tell if the fourth was mafia too..
but it still beats getting picked off as a threat after one turn.

Do you have a compelling argument to the contrary?

#202

Some of the roles have BTSC potential, and one or two members of your coalition may gain BTS with a non member, thus adding secret loyalties.

Although regardless of BTS potential, i think if you added a fourth member to your coalition, that person will be the first to go, having read your three way loyalty oaths. Any of the four of us has a better shot away from you three. If a fourth person joins your coalition, one of you three will still be the winner, thats the bottom line, and i think we all know that. We stand a better chance competing with each other than with three people who have a three way pact~ a fourth will just be a fifth wheel.

#203

S~V~S wrote:Some of the roles have BTSC potential, and one or two members of your coalition may gain BTS with a non member, thus adding secret loyalties.

Although regardless of BTS potential, i think if you added a fourth member to your coalition, that person will be the first to go, having read your three way loyalty oaths.

No, the plan was always to keep the alliance until it was just us, and then end it. If we changed the plan, we'd just end up with four people when we disbanded instead of three.

Any of the four of us has a better shot away from you three. If a fourth person joins your coalition, one of you three will still be the winner, thats the bottom line, and i think we all know that. We stand a better chance competing with each other than with three people who have a three way pact~ a fourth will just be a fifth wheel.

That's probably how it would have worked if you and Kate had formed it, sure. It's not how I play the game though.

The block was formed around mutual benefit, and when that changes it will dissolve.
There's no 'loyalty' going on here, unless Snow is being honest.
I definitely intend to win, and I don't consider Snow or Llama winning to be 'almost as good'.
Knowing llama, he'd say the same if he were still here.

I would go so far as to agree that, should someone join the coalition, I will *not* vote for them in the first vote after disbanding.

#204

Sorry but I think that is not true. I think if MP joins you, one of you three will still win. It will dissolve when it is down to you three.

He has a better chance with us.

#205

Svs, mp, rox what ya thinking?

One of llama nev and snow dog is a mafia. Ideas on which it is?

#206

Personally i don't care, they already lynched me, lol.

And Rox won't be voting today, she had an accident, so i am toast.

#207

Svs and I have torn each other to sheds when needed lol. Anyonelplay tranqs game lol? But for now I think the trio is silly since its clear there is a mafia among them. Gotta vote soon. Svs what say you?

#208

S~V~S wrote:Personally i don't care, they already lynched me, lol.

And Rox won't be voting today, she had an accident, so i am toast.

Oh no! Rox xoxo

#209

Well it will be a 3-3 tie which I suspect we will win...

#210

S~V~S wrote:Personally i don't care, they already lynched me, lol.

And Rox won't be voting today, she had an accident, so i am toast.

I am very sorry svs. Truly. We are all civ and these lynches(if that is what they are) seem wrong. What a twisted game this is.

#211

One of you is not civ. I'm voting now. Gotta gosbnow dog. Hope I guessed right.

#212

Kate wrote:Svs and I have torn each other to sheds when needed lol. Anyonelplay tranqs game lol? But for now I think the trio is silly since its clear there is a mafia among them. Gotta vote soon. Svs what say you?

IF there is a mafia amongst us then he will kill those outside the trio. If one of you is mafia we are doomed.

#213

Kate wrote:One of you is not civ. I'm voting now. Gotta gosbnow dog. Hope I guessed right.

No....you didn't.

#214

Consider this.

No one is mafia.

#215

LOL, voting Snow Dog.

I know for a fact that there is a baddie (and not becasue i am him). That remark sealed it for me.

#216

S~V~S wrote:LOL, voting Snow Dog.

I know for a fact that there is a baddie (and not becasue i am him). That remark sealed it for me.

Look at the roles. There are no mafia roles remaining. Don't believe everything you read. You need to think outside the box.

And why do I always get voted?

#217

Come on Alex. Help me out for old time's sake.

#218

I think all the people you killed with your coalition would beg to differ about you always getting voted, lol~

And if there is no Mafia, who is doing the NKs??

#219

#220

S~V~S wrote:I think all the people you killed with your coalition would beg to differ about you always getting voted, lol~

And if there is no Mafia, who is doing the NKs??

Good question. Who indeed? The fact remains everyone here is civ.

#221

^I meant out of Llama myself and Nev...why me? It was Llama who decided that you would be the poor victim. We had to follow.

#222

Turning on Llama, are we?

I have to go do Easter with my family, I have no idea if i will live or die. Good Luck Non-Night Killers (since there are no baddies, then i guess there are no civvies, right? Just Night Killers and Non Night Killers, eh, Snowy?)

#223

Snow Dog wrote:^I meant out of Llama myself and Nev...why me? It was Llama who decided that you would be the poor victim. We had to follow.

I agree. Llama seems the obvious choice, why snow?
Do you know something I don't, or is he acting uncharacteristically?
I don't know him that well, I'm afraid.

#224

S~V~S wrote:Turning on Llama, are we?

I have to go do Easter with my family, I have no idea if i will live or die. Good Luck Non-Night Killers (since there are no baddies, then i guess there are no civvies, right? Just Night Killers and Non Night Killers, eh, Snowy?)

I am not turning on llama. I accept my fate. As for the rest of your post, as I said..we are all civvies.

#225

S~V~S wrote:Turning on Llama, are we?

His unilateral voting has piqued me, but there is no 'turning on' him going on.
I have no intention of breaking our truce, even if he out and said he was mafia
(that would actually make the endgame really easy).

*Your* unilateral vote has me similarly disturbed however.
Do you have some justification for targeting snow?
If everyone goes along with you, him flipping civ (or not) ought to say something about you, eh?

#226

It's Ok Nev. This is about survival. We have done it and they need to do it too. It's all fair.

#227

I'm for one of the original three to be the winners, since they were not the ones to send any of us to this horrible black lodge.

I also believe the mafia is not as it seems.

#228

and if I'm dead already, then kindly ignore my vote and post

#229

Matahari wrote:I'm for one of the original three to be the winners, since they were not the ones to send any of us to this horrible black lodge.

I also believe the mafia is not as it seems.

I've been worried about you. No one answered or seemed to care. You are not on the poll I see. Well done you.

linki..dead?

#230

Snow Dog wrote:
Matahari wrote:I'm for one of the original three to be the winners, since they were not the ones to send any of us to this horrible black lodge.

I also believe the mafia is not as it seems.
I've been worried about you. No one answered or seemed to care. You are not on the poll I see. Well done you.

linki..dead?

My name is not on the poll, or even on the front page. Maybe I'm just an oversight

But I'm here still so I voted

#231

Matahari wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Matahari wrote:I'm for one of the original three to be the winners, since they were not the ones to send any of us to this horrible black lodge.

I also believe the mafia is not as it seems.
I've been worried about you. No one answered or seemed to care. You are not on the poll I see. Well done you.

linki..dead?
My name is not on the poll, or even on the front page. Maybe I'm just an oversight

But I'm here still so I voted

Could be an oversight I guess. We have no reason to think you dead.

#232

Snow Dog wrote:It's Ok Nev. This is about survival. We have done it and they need to do it too. It's all fair.

Oh I'm not angry here or anything, I'm trying to nail down some information.

By voting for you without discussing a target, he has basically forced his whole group to do the same,
Because otherwise our block stays and they die (unless one joins us, but he leaning really hard on the us-or-them
to keep that from happening. That offer is still on the table btw.)

That's an aggressive move, and it ought to indicate that he has some information about you.
If you flip civ, then that info is either wrong, or based on his having btsc with not-you.
If you flip mafia, then we can draw the opposite conclusion.
Either way, we need to get his reasons before everyone bandwagons, because he has to be a lot more careful with his explanation until everyone comes along (at which point he can pretend he picked randomly and "oops").

So, SVS - did you pick snow for some particular reason? Did you decide not to talk about it at all first for the same reason?

Linki mata - glad to see you didn't silently die!

#233

Did you intend that vote to add you to the block?
I think we are all fine with that, but id like it to be clear :-)

#234

My vote doesn't seem to matter much at this point, so I went ahead and threw a vote at Nevinera just more of a message than anything.

I'm sorry, Snow and whoever else believes this, but anyone who thinks that there is NO mafia between Snowie, Nevinera, and llama is misguided because the mafia has consistently killed and you three have been in the game from the beginning. It's very evident to me that there is one mafia among those three.

I do, however, agree that it would make sense that there was a second player to join a mafia-aligned role when Kate, S~V~S, and I joined the game, and it's not me, so hopefully it is S~V~S. I'm not sure I believe this to be true as much as the former paragraph because we have evidence that mafia have been killing from the beginning and those three have been alive since the beginning. It's also very evident that whichever of you three IS mafia would LOVE to have that three-player voting block because then they have a very strong chance of winning the game. I disagree with you, Nev, that maintaining that block helps your chances. If anything, I would seriously consider voting one of your fellow voting block players out if you are not mafia, because one of them pretty much has to be.

#235

Nevinera wrote:Did you intend that vote to add you to the block?
I think we are all fine with that, but id like it to be clear :-)

Frankly, I consider this place to be purgatory. Its time to pay for my sins. I helped kill Llama, poor innocent llama, so I am ready to die for the ones who came before me.
* that means yes, I will help fight Bob and his minions for the trio.

Not sure that BoB and the gang truly have info on the mafia, because I know something else to be true. We are all mafia now. Last man standing, right?

#236

MovingPictures07 wrote:My vote doesn't seem to matter much at this point, so I went ahead and threw a vote at Nevinera just more of a message than anything.

I'm sorry, Snow and whoever else believes this, but anyone who thinks that there is NO mafia between Snowie, Nevinera, and llama is misguided because the mafia has consistently killed and you three have been in the game from the beginning. It's very evident to me that there is one mafia among those three.

I do, however, agree that it would make sense that there was a second player to join a mafia-aligned role when Kate, S~V~S, and I joined the game, and it's not me, so hopefully it is S~V~S. I'm not sure I believe this to be true as much as the former paragraph because we have evidence that mafia have been killing from the beginning and those three have been alive since the beginning. It's also very evident that whichever of you three IS mafia would LOVE to have that three-player voting block because then they have a very strong chance of winning the game. I disagree with you, Nev, that maintaining that block helps your chances. If anything, I would seriously consider voting one of your fellow voting block players out if you are not mafia, because one of them pretty much has to be.

There are no arguments here that are new or even really arguing in favor of anything. You make obvious statements, and then claim that they should imply specific behaviors.. But my reasons and logic are well documented, and yours are not even stated.

Why do you disagree? That's kind of the important part.

#237

MovingPictures07 wrote:My vote doesn't seem to matter much at this point, so I went ahead and threw a vote at Nevinera just more of a message than anything.

I'm sorry, Snow and whoever else believes this, but anyone who thinks that there is NO mafia between Snowie, Nevinera, and llama is misguided because the mafia has consistently killed and you three have been in the game from the beginning. It's very evident to me that there is one mafia among those three.

I do, however, agree that it would make sense that there was a second player to join a mafia-aligned role when Kate, S~V~S, and I joined the game, and it's not me, so hopefully it is S~V~S. I'm not sure I believe this to be true as much as the former paragraph because we have evidence that mafia have been killing from the beginning and those three have been alive since the beginning. It's also very evident that whichever of you three IS mafia would LOVE to have that three-player voting block because then they have a very strong chance of winning the game. I disagree with you, Nev, that maintaining that block helps your chances. If anything, I would seriously consider voting one of your fellow voting block players out if you are not mafia, because one of them pretty much has to be.

Pardon me MP. But you say it is evident that there is mafia amongst our three. Allow me to disagree. I have been in the black room longer. I think one has to think a little differently in this game. It ain't as straightforward as you may think.

#238

Cinqo party, out for a while here.

#239

grocery store, out for awhile

gotsta have my fudgesicles

#240

Voted. Though NOT how I wanted to.

#241

Roxy wrote:Voted. Though NOT how I wanted to.

Thanks for that Roxy. Hope you are well.

#242

I'm sorry you guys didn't like my unilateral vote, but I was leaving the hose and not sure I would make it back in time to vote so I made a call. No one else had discussed a target either. Time constraints forced my vote earlier than I would have liked. I didn't do it to be aggressive or to force you guys unto anything. Either of you were free to make suggestions earlier, but given that that didn't happen, I had to make a decision.

#243

thellama73 wrote:I'm sorry you guys didn't like my unilateral vote, but I was leaving the hose and not sure I would make it back in time to vote so I made a call. No one else had discussed a target either. Time constraints forced my vote earlier than I would have liked. I didn't do it to be aggressive or to force you guys unto anything. Either of you were free to make suggestions earlier, but given that that didn't happen, I had to make a decision.

That's fine. I understand your point. Next time take the hose with you.

#244

That last post came across rather more defensive than I intended, since I thought Nevinera's comment about unilateral voting was directed at me rather than SVS. Sorry folks. Anyway, I assumed no one would mind who the lynch was as long as it was outside our group. I am still loyal to you guys.

#245

thellama73 wrote:That last post came across rather more defensive than I intended, since I thought Nevinera's comment about unilateral voting was directed at me rather than SVS. Sorry folks. Anyway, I assumed no one would mind who the lynch was as long as it was outside our group. I am still loyal to you guys.

As we are to you which is why we followed your vote. No problem.

#246

Nice Mata, carrying suspicion over from one gme to the next~ well its been fun, good luck guys

#247

Nevinera wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:My vote doesn't seem to matter much at this point, so I went ahead and threw a vote at Nevinera just more of a message than anything.

I'm sorry, Snow and whoever else believes this, but anyone who thinks that there is NO mafia between Snowie, Nevinera, and llama is misguided because the mafia has consistently killed and you three have been in the game from the beginning. It's very evident to me that there is one mafia among those three.

I do, however, agree that it would make sense that there was a second player to join a mafia-aligned role when Kate, S~V~S, and I joined the game, and it's not me, so hopefully it is S~V~S. I'm not sure I believe this to be true as much as the former paragraph because we have evidence that mafia have been killing from the beginning and those three have been alive since the beginning. It's also very evident that whichever of you three IS mafia would LOVE to have that three-player voting block because then they have a very strong chance of winning the game. I disagree with you, Nev, that maintaining that block helps your chances. If anything, I would seriously consider voting one of your fellow voting block players out if you are not mafia, because one of them pretty much has to be.
There are no arguments here that are new or even really arguing in favor of anything. You make obvious statements, and then claim that they should imply specific behaviors.. But my reasons and logic are well documented, and yours are not even stated.

Why do you disagree? That's kind of the important part.

You think mine are not even stated? I stated them right there. Let me elaborate. Mafia have been killing at night. That requires that one of the roles that was given to one of these players to be a mafia role, one in which someone kills, yes?

I'm open to any possibility, sure, but how could a mafia be killing if they weren't here to kill for most of the black lodge's current existence?

Matahari wrote:
Nevinera wrote:Did you intend that vote to add you to the block?
I think we are all fine with that, but id like it to be clear :-)
Frankly, I consider this place to be purgatory. Its time to pay for my sins. I helped kill Llama, poor innocent llama, so I am ready to die for the ones who came before me.
* that means yes, I will help fight Bob and his minions for the trio.

Not sure that BoB and the gang truly have info on the mafia, because I know something else to be true. We are all mafia now. Last man standing, right?

Are you serious? Our white roles have nothing to do with alignment in this game. Why would they?

#248

Can anyone please explain to me how there is NOT a mafia in one of those three players' roles? It's absolutely absurd to think so, honestly. One player must be executing the kills, yes? How is it any coincidence that all three of you are still alive? Because the one of you that IS mafia and knows it isn't that stupid! They know their best chance to win is to keep your trio's voting block until the very end and then convince one of you that the other civvie one is bad, and then they win.

#249

Also, sorry for the triple post, but for anyone who has said there is apparently no mafia role in the roles, look again. There is more than one role with *secrets* behind it. Just because there is no apparent NK doesn't mean that this is an LMS game. I do think it very unfair for it to be an LMS game if there is one of us killing at night as well.

#250

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can anyone please explain to me how there is NOT a mafia in one of those three players' roles? It's absolutely absurd to think so, honestly. One player must be executing the kills, yes? How is it any coincidence that all three of you are still alive? Because the one of you that IS mafia and knows it isn't that stupid! They know their best chance to win is to keep your trio's voting block until the very end and then convince one of you that the other civvie one is bad, and then they win.

There absolutely is a mafia among our three roles. But, considering I have a pretty good idea of who it is, I still think my best chance of survival is to stick it out with them until the end and then lynch the fellow.

Who has been the mafia since the beginning?