The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:15 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:14 am Scum king is Boo

Royalty is G-Man and FG
Jester is Jack

Everyone else is cleared.

Gg welcome to Mac town.

NEITHER ME NOR G-MAN ARE WOLVES HERE

Go ahead and clear G-man plz.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:13 am FINE whatever i just shifted my vote to johann

fine boo's a wolf or something, idk

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:46 am

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:44 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 am I got my PM and do not care when phases start/end.

Self-killing makes zero sense Johann.

We should give the gun to someone with a subset of players they're allowed to choose from to shoot.

If they go outside that, they got shot next.

I think it's better then deciding on a specific player because that keeps mafia from being able to control the conversation easily.

And at 13 players, 10/3 split... Assuming the gun always gets used (no ties, but in most cases that should be easy enough to avoid since we can hammer)... We can only afford like 4 gun uses on a civ? One or two more if we get 1 or 2 of the mafia mixed in with that? Right? It's too early for me to be mathing. But it's a general point.

Then once we have a baddie killed, players who had them in their subset but chose not to shoot them can be looked at more in depth. Plus that's a way to try and force the mafia into bussing if they do get the gun.

this is boo's first post and it's basically stating the obvious about how the game works. imo it's fluff

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:52 pm COMPROMISE is what makes this country GREAT, except when it’s MY IDEALS, in which case we must be UNCOMPROMISING in the face of ADVERSITY

something something towncore, something something if I get the gun I'll shoot you, something something casual mention of someone who hasn't even posted but I am saying is either 100% town or mafia. Actually, no. Strike that. They're the secret independent role that isn't stated in the roles. Probably? But I don't know, because reading host posts is apparently for nerds, so I haven't done that.

this is... what the actual fuck is this. this is a scum post 99% of the time it exists.

Wait, is this all you got against him?

Yes, because she's mafia and I'm an easy mis-shot, and she knows it and is going balls to the wall trying to make it happen because if she doesn't I'll be gunning for her until she gets shot and she knows it.

In which dead scum Dragomir hard defends boo against dead town genius nutella and boo does this hilarious little omgus thing lol.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:02 am also i'ma be hella clear here i ain't gonna vote for someone to get the gun unless nanook or sloonei tells me to, or maybe johann

so rn my vote goes to boo 'cause nanook said so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

Lol no I am most definitely not. I just think you're scum. I've even showed my evidence for it. Where's yours buddy?

Boo I had my shot locked in on Jack until 30 seconds before the end of n1. Reread the end of n1 and tell me that Jack and I are faking that. It's not credible. We are the least compatible pair in the game.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.

i don't like you because you're trying to break up a poe that people have been building up over the game. and after drago was shot down, there's some credibility to that poe

but that also means you'd die, or the wolves would die. it's a good deep wolf strat and it's making me uneasy

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

He’s also spectating 5 mafia games but who’s counting?

Idk what game you’re reading if you think me taking suicide pact how to meme was some sort of wolf theater.

You say you don’t understand this thing that often happens....so we’re teammates? Did you...look at people giving that type of clear in the past and find it was more often something scum do? Or are you trying to kill what you don’t understand like some sort of X-Man villain?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

it was a really well-done and genuine looking ate if g-man's town

which idk if that's something he can do but it's lame and i'd be pissy about it post-game

but who knows? i tr'd long con in ac for that self vote

but anyways idk if g-man does shifty strats like that

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

U mad?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

They're not. In fact ... I'm shooting Jack.

Do it bitch. You won’t. You’ll look silly in front of all these people.

Come on, you know that I ended up lynching Wolbre wrongly when he said that to me right?

Maybe you should learn your lesson, then.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am Oh yeah, Johann can get the gun too as long as he promises not to shoot himself.

We're just never giving it to Wilgy, Mac or Boo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am Oh yeah, Johann can get the gun too as long as he promises not to shoot himself.

We're just never giving it to Wilgy, Mac or Boo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.

i don't like you because you're trying to break up a poe that people have been building up over the game. and after drago was shot down, there's some credibility to that poe

but that also means you'd die, or the wolves would die. it's a good deep wolf strat and it's making me uneasy

What POE am I trying to break up? Specifically.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

U mad?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

it was a really well-done and genuine looking ate if g-man's town

which idk if that's something he can do but it's lame and i'd be pissy about it post-game

but who knows? i tr'd long con in ac for that self vote

but anyways idk if g-man does shifty strats like that

AtE should be alignment neutral, if one alignment can do it so can the other.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:19 am Wilgy, Johann, Nook and Hyena are cleared off Drago
Boo is just wolfy as all get out
Jack is cleared off Boo
I am confirmed town via superior skill
FG is town because of her own superior skill
Only one name left on my list?

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

it was a really well-done and genuine looking ate if g-man's town

which idk if that's something he can do but it's lame and i'd be pissy about it post-game

but who knows? i tr'd long con in ac for that self vote

but anyways idk if g-man does shifty strats like that

AtE should be alignment neutral, if one alignment can do it so can the other.

but... but but but but he was sad 'cause he didn't feel included in y'alls community T-T i felt for the guy

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:18 am Quick check-in while I watch the kids during my wife's Kindergarten Zoom session (almost as thankless as the weekly preschool Zoom session I get to sit in on with my 4-year-old).

Don't vote for me today because I am falling behind again. I saw someone vote for me while skimming the posts, but it looks like that vote moved. Keep it that way. That said, the current votes worry me a little bit.

My reads are a bit messy, but here goes:

Nanook

Mac
Boo

Funnygurl
Johann

Hyena
Jack
Wilgy


Nanook is my top civ read for reasons stated previously. I still think Mac looked good for his reaction to nutella. I guess that's the hill I'm willing to die on in this game. If I'm wrong, then all future Mac reactions are sus.

Boo reads so darn consistently through his ISO, but Jack's persistence on boo's readability as helpful/obstructive has me wavering and softening my civ read on him. I need to spend more time there. This frustrates me because Jack is in my bottom tier. I don't want to ignore his input in case I am misreading him, but I also don't want him to be Inceptioning me and converting me into useful idiot at endgame.

I still need help figuring out Funnygurl and Johann. I recall seeing something about Johann's sus and interaction with Dragomir. I can look for that. Is there anything else? I feel kind of stupid reaching such a null/neutral read on Funnygurl when she's got three votes in the gun poll. What am I not seeing that others are?

My bottom three are because I don't like how nervous Hyena got when Nanook said he was on the shot list, every few Jack posts seem shifty, and Wilgy being Wilgy frustrates me like Vomp being Vomp used to. I like the guy when he has time to bring his quirky A-Game, but this isn't it. Some of you can probably say the same about me, so I guess that makes Wilgy the kettle and me the pot.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

For that?
For talking game mechanics?

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

For that?
For talking game mechanics?

well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

For that?
For talking game mechanics?

well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:37 am It started as wanting to shake things up a bit/force people to make more challenging pushes than wilgy/boo but I think boo actually has me pocketed now tbh