The Syndicate

I choose chaos

@DrWilgy @falcon45ca

I’m town. You want to know why? Id either of you is town, your current vote is the answer. This is the most predictable state of affairs when I live too long. When people get scared and doubtful and paranoid and I am still here, I am the default vote. It has happened before in final five and it has even happened in final 3.

As mafia I never put myself in this position. I just don’t. If I am mafia with Sparkles then there’s a real good chance she’s still alive right now.

I’m town. You want to know why? Id either of you is town, your current vote is the answer. This is the most predictable state of affairs when I live too long. When people get scared and doubtful and paranoid and I am still here, I am the default vote. It has happened before in final five and it has even happened in final 3.

As mafia I never put myself in this position. I just don’t. If I am mafia with Sparkles then there’s a real good chance she’s still alive right now.

If you chop me today, then you accept total responsibility to handle final 3 with fury and effort. I will be really disappointed if I die here and then the last phase is a dead snail. Whoever is there, you take on that dity.

Its honestly fine to kill me today, im not going to expend more effort at f3 than I have so far this game, so if jay flips town its probably an auto loss lol

I do think he's most likely mafia but I dont want that responsibility

Remember that with no hammer, there will be no lazy snap votes followed by a quick finish. You have 48 hours ahead of you, and I expect them to be used effectively.

The duality of man

My top town read is Sabi. falcon follows. Wilgy’s mafia prospects increase if he kills me here and walks into final 3 with Nanook. The two of them would need to be thoroughly examined and made to answer for themselves. No matter who is there though, give due scrutiny. I don’t want to see “I’d rather lose to X than Y” or any such thing. Play to win, no matter who.

oki

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:28 am My top town read is Sabi. falcon follows. Wilgy’s mafia prospects increase if he kills me here and walks into final 3 with Nanook. The two of them would need to be thoroughly examined and made to answer for themselves. No matter who is there though, give due scrutiny. I don’t want to see “I’d rather lose to X than Y” or any such thing. Play to win, no matter who.

Calm down. Explain this one.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:28 am My top town read is Sabi. falcon follows. Wilgy’s mafia prospects increase if he kills me here and walks into final 3 with Nanook. The two of them would need to be thoroughly examined and made to answer for themselves. No matter who is there though, give due scrutiny. I don’t want to see “I’d rather lose to X than Y” or any such thing. Play to win, no matter who.

Calm down. Explain this one.

If you’re mafia, then Nanook is town and the agenda would be apparent. Killing any town here other than Nanook leaves a wide ass open door to close it out in the next cycle.

Mafia can wifom that with their kill, but I really don’t care. In that scenario I want to ensure you are forced to answer for yourself. Why did you move your vote back?

Tag @MacDougall The Mod @MacDougall Until He @MacDougall Kills My Town Bod @MacDougall

Who kill Marmot?

Poll ended at Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:09 pm

DrWilgy

0

No votes Voters: Nonefalcon45a

0

No votes Voters: NoneJaggedJimmyJay

2

22% Voters: falcon45ca, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMENanook

3

33% Voters: Sabiplz, DrWilgy, JaggedJimmyJaySabiplz

0

No votes Voters: NoneRondoDimBuckle Lel (lel)

4

44% Voters: MissSparkles, Scotty, Marmot, MacDougall

Nanook has died and flips town.

This night will end in 16 hrs from now.

Falcon dead and town. Final 3. 2 days. Votes are not locked. Beginneth.

Wonderful

I definitely have some preconceptions about the game right now, and rest assured you’ll be hearing about them all day. Before I get into it though, I just want to talk with both of you. Tag me when you’re here and I will hopefully be around soon.

Well fuck.

I need you both to cross.

Don't pull a Nook and snapvote.

Votes aren't locked, so we're here all day regardless.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:25 am Well fuck.

I need you both to cross.

Don't pull a Nook and snapvote.

Why do you think you're here, Sabi?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:28 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:25 am Well fuck.

I need you both to cross.

Don't pull a Nook and snapvote.

Why do you think you're here, Sabi?

No idea but I didn't want to be part of a f3 because I'm traveling all day tomorrow back to Chicago. I don't have time to do this. I hate f3s and always have.

I think you picked me because you think I will vote Wilgz over you because you assume I'm pocketed and I shared distrust in Wilgz more than I did you.

I think Wilgz picked me because he thinks he can push the paranoia about you and wifom reasons.

Falcon died because he showed a lot of distrust towards jjj

Makes jjj look bad.

Something something wifom.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:38 am Falcon died because he showed a lot of distrust towards jjj

Makes jjj look bad.

Something something wifom.

falcon also showed distrust in you. And he placed Wilgy in his POE. I don't think he trusted anyone anymore, and at this point it's hard to blame him.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:36 am No idea but I didn't want to be part of a f3 because I'm traveling all day tomorrow back to Chicago. I don't have time to do this. I hate f3s and always have.

I think you picked me because you think I will vote Wilgz over you because you assume I'm pocketed and I shared distrust in Wilgz more than I did you.

I think Wilgz picked me because he thinks he can push the paranoia about you and wifom reasons.

Do you have an idea of when you'll be unavailable for your traveling, like within this 48 hour period? You don't have to be super precise if you prefer not, but it'd be helpful to have an idea of when folks will be here. I will have trouble myself due to teaching etc.

Wilgy changed his vote at like 3am last night and almost pushed me over the line instead of Nanook. I hate that. If I hadn't been awake to argue this might be even more dire. Having town Nanook here in final 3 would have probably been a death sentence.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:42 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:36 am No idea but I didn't want to be part of a f3 because I'm traveling all day tomorrow back to Chicago. I don't have time to do this. I hate f3s and always have.

I think you picked me because you think I will vote Wilgz over you because you assume I'm pocketed and I shared distrust in Wilgz more than I did you.

I think Wilgz picked me because he thinks he can push the paranoia about you and wifom reasons.

Do you have an idea of when you'll be unavailable for your traveling, like within this 48 hour period? You don't have to be super precise if you prefer not, but it'd be helpful to have an idea of when folks will be here. I will have trouble myself due to teaching etc.

Gone all Tuesday till probably the evening. I will be sporadically around.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:36 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:28 am My top town read is Sabi. falcon follows. Wilgy’s mafia prospects increase if he kills me here and walks into final 3 with Nanook. The two of them would need to be thoroughly examined and made to answer for themselves. No matter who is there though, give due scrutiny. I don’t want to see “I’d rather lose to X than Y” or any such thing. Play to win, no matter who.

Calm down. Explain this one.

If you’re mafia, then Nanook is town and the agenda would be apparent. Killing any town here other than Nanook leaves a wide ass open door to close it out in the next cycle.

Mafia can wifom that with their kill, but I really don’t care. In that scenario I want to ensure you are forced to answer for yourself. Why did you move your vote back?

Reiterating this question for Wilgy.

@Sabiplz can you expand on exactly what made you vote Nanook last day phase?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:50 am @Sabiplz can you expand on exactly what made you vote Nanook last day phase?

POE reasons.

He didn't really town tell.

Dead townies had him in their POE

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:50 am @Sabiplz can you expand on exactly what made you vote Nanook last day phase?

POE reasons.

He didn't really town tell.

Dead townies had him in their POE

Okay. Same, essentially.

I’ve seen some of your forum mafia-aligned games. Did you play any other style before forum (e.g., chat mafia)? What’s your total experience level like?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:04 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:50 am @Sabiplz can you expand on exactly what made you vote Nanook last day phase?

POE reasons.

He didn't really town tell.

Dead townies had him in their POE

Okay. Same, essentially.

I’ve seen some of your forum mafia-aligned games. Did you play any other style before forum (e.g., chat mafia)? What’s your total experience level like?

I mean if you want to count fol as chat mafia since it's not really like forum mafia imo.

But I started playing end of September 2021 ( just checked when my first game was). My only experience has been forum ( besides the irl party games).

I have also played avalon, sh, and tos (the irl version and not the forum version) as well before I played forum mafia.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:17 am I mean if you want to count fol as chat mafia since it's not really like forum mafia imo.

But I started playing end of September 2021 ( just checked when my first game was). My only experience has been forum ( besides the irl party games).

I have also played avalon, sh, and tos (the irl version and not the forum version) as well before I played forum mafia.

Thanks.

I'm trying to determine to what extent this game would be "abnormal" for you as mafia. It doesn't look like the other games you linked or that I found on MU. I have seen players have "break out" games before though where they kind of figure it out and then ball out.

I have to consider the possibility that you left me with Wilgy knowing that he had I have been at odds recently, expecting an easy cross between us.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:25 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:17 am I mean if you want to count fol as chat mafia since it's not really like forum mafia imo.

But I started playing end of September 2021 ( just checked when my first game was). My only experience has been forum ( besides the irl party games).

I have also played avalon, sh, and tos (the irl version and not the forum version) as well before I played forum mafia.

Thanks.

I'm trying to determine to what extent this game would be "abnormal" for you as mafia. It doesn't look like the other games you linked or that I found on MU. I have seen players have "break out" games before though where they kind of figure it out and then ball out.

I have to consider the possibility that you left me with Wilgy knowing that he had I have been at odds recently, expecting an easy cross between us.

Lind if hard to have break out maf game when I have randed mafia twice in the last like month and can't really change my meta like that

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:25 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:17 am I mean if you want to count fol as chat mafia since it's not really like forum mafia imo.

But I started playing end of September 2021 ( just checked when my first game was). My only experience has been forum ( besides the irl party games).

I have also played avalon, sh, and tos (the irl version and not the forum version) as well before I played forum mafia.

Thanks.

I'm trying to determine to what extent this game would be "abnormal" for you as mafia. It doesn't look like the other games you linked or that I found on MU. I have seen players have "break out" games before though where they kind of figure it out and then ball out.

I have to consider the possibility that you left me with Wilgy knowing that he had I have been at odds recently, expecting an easy cross between us.

Lind if hard to have break out maf game when I have randed mafia twice in the last like month and can't really change my meta like that

Like it's **

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:31 am Lind if hard to have break out maf game when I have randed mafia twice in the last like month and can't really change my meta like that

Did you catch up on the last eod before this phase started?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:37 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:31 am Lind if hard to have break out maf game when I have randed mafia twice in the last like month and can't really change my meta like that

Did you catch up on the last eod before this phase started?

Yes

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:09 am Yes

thots

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:13 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:09 am Yes

thots

My thots are that idk Wilgz had changed his vote? I need him to talk about the eod from his perspective first.

@DrWilgy

So

I want to hear from Wilgy.

I will town case myself later. The other town player alive should remember that we have to handle two objectives to win a final 3: vote correctly and prove we’re the wrong vote. I encourage both of you to do the same.

In the meantime, I'd like to say that over the last couple days I have assembled my dissertation committee and sent out requests for letters of recommendation as I begin my job hunt. Doing that stuff is always supremely awkward, and even having sent the requests is a huge relief. Human society is nonsense, and I have no idea why we do this to ourselves.

This has nothing to do with the game, ignore me. I just wanted a release.

I believe in you jay

Is Wilgz frozen and crying in wolf chat

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:00 pm Is Wilgz frozen and crying in wolf chat

Help I need to be thawed.

No, I feel like shit still and I'm starting to just be really bummed about not being able to do normal things.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:59 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:13 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:09 am Yes

thots

My thots are that idk Wilgz had changed his vote? I need him to talk about the eod from his perspective first.

@DrWilgy

I was starting to grow uneasy at Nook yeet.

Like I said earlier it didn't feel like they were playing to win. I don't know if a wolf doesn't play for a win con there.

Moved to JJJ to put some pressure and see how he'd react. I got a response and changed the vote back because I was afraid that I'd fall asleep with the vote there before I could critically assess.

@DrWilgy you were doing a reaction test in the middle of the night? It’s frankly a miracle I was even awake. It was quite literally 3:30am in Ohio. What is your time zone?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:36 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:28 am My top town read is Sabi. falcon follows. Wilgy’s mafia prospects increase if he kills me here and walks into final 3 with Nanook. The two of them would need to be thoroughly examined and made to answer for themselves. No matter who is there though, give due scrutiny. I don’t want to see “I’d rather lose to X than Y” or any such thing. Play to win, no matter who.

Calm down. Explain this one.

If you’re mafia, then Nanook is town and the agenda would be apparent. Killing any town here other than Nanook leaves a wide ass open door to close it out in the next cycle.

Mafia can wifom that with their kill, but I really don’t care. In that scenario I want to ensure you are forced to answer for yourself. Why did you move your vote back?

Reiterating this question for Wilgy.

I do think your response of it's agenda ish is kinda bullshit.

I keep trying to go through and think it, but it feels as if that one is just wrong.

Yes I moved back because I knew I wasn't at capacity to assess, but when I was in the edge of realizing Nook wasn't it, suddenly that's an agenda as opposed to going through the process of changing PoE?

And I say it's kinda bullshit because I don't know if T Jay would actually think it's an agenda or not.

Town Jay claims agenda play, but that would imply that he's hardstuck to his PoE? I don't think town Jay gets stuck in his PoE.

Wolf Jay claims agenda play in effort to validate that the nook yeet was right in spite of it being town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:52 pm @DrWilgy you were doing a reaction test in the middle of the night? It’s frankly a miracle I was even awake. It was quite literally 3:30am in Ohio. What is your time zone?

Central.

And yes. Just to see if anyone would respond. Kinda a late night can't sleep let's look at the thread.

I think the way I see this game is simply this:
Jay hasn't done anything that would imply he's not playing a wolf win con.

Sabie's efforts on Esooa, didn't satisfy a wolf wincon. W Sabi I don't think cases and foils a towny that hard.

So [VOTE: Jay] aubergine.

Advise me as to why I'm wrong before we lose the game here.

The alternative chop you voted was me, the only one in the game I know is wrong. I’m going to push a Nanook chop over my own chop every time, and all of my POE work had led me to that chop anyway.

But for you to drop in at a time when I have been asleep pretty much every phase and sneak a vote onto me — yes, there is absolutely room for agenda there. As with anything, that doesn’t have to be the case, but you better believe I am voicing that possibility as a legacy if I am about to eat a chop.