Persona 5 Mafia [Game End]

#1851

NKA is wifom bunk

#1852

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:36 pm Did you not notice Jay decide I was mafia?

I haven read the end of the night, no.

Been working overtime and going to a funeral. :-/

#1853

I am comfortable in my assertion that Dragomir is a civilian. I will now be working from there.

#1854

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:36 pm Did you not notice Jay decide I was mafia?
I haven read the end of the night, no.

Been working overtime and going to a funeral. :-/

I am sorry you are bereaved.

#1855

Creature
Dragomir
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
nutella
sprityo

#1856

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:36 pm Did you not notice Jay decide I was mafia?
I haven read the end of the night, no.

Been working overtime and going to a funeral. :-/
I am sorry you are bereaved.

Thanks, man.

#1857

I looked through Creature. There's nothing that inspires civilian confidence. I would lynch him.

#1858

Creature
Dragomir
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
nutella
sprityo

#1859

I'm passing on the JJJ-Mac shit until I am sober.

#1860

Epi is scum.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

#1861

I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

#1862

He's right. I'm bowing out. I'm not wasting anymore of my time.

#1863

I am sorry everyone for not being able to put forth a meaningful challenge, but I have no time.

#1864

Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?

#1865

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 pm Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?

I am doing the honorable thing and acknowledging when I am beat. There's no "throwing" involved.

#1866

If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

#1867

When you came in with your claim, I have no out. I'm done.

#1868

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:36 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 pm Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?
I am doing the honorable thing and acknowledging when I am beat. There's no "throwing" involved.

But it's not like I put you in a situation that you couldn't get out of though.

#1869

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:33 pm Considering that there's no restriction to claiming, I assume it's safe to do so right? If so, the person who's character is Morgana. Please claim for me. This is important. Don't ask why. Just do it.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:27 pm Epi is scum.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

Explain to me how I'm getting out of that.

It's cool. I'm not upset at all.

#1870

#1871

Fair enough. Thanks for not dragging it out Epi.

#1872

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:51 pm Fair enough. Thanks for not dragging it out Epi.

When all of you gave me the green light, I was going to, but in this situation, I cannot, and don't mean to. I respect everyone's time.

#1873

Well played Civilianos.

#1874

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

Never disappointing. You played very well.

#1875

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

To be clear, I have never subbed out. When I sign up, I play.

This situation gave me the opportunity to snake my way to victory except that you claimed I was bad in a way that I was not coming back from. No need to waste anyone's time.

#1876

I do believe the civilians did a hearty job though.

#1877

Again, I'm very sorry. I'm working 12 hours a day, plus cooking, plus being a dad, plus fantasy sports. I didn't get to this until late.

#1878

Lol I wanted it to be Jay.

#1879

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:58 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.
To be clear, I have never subbed out. When I sign up, I play.

This situation gave me the opportunity to snake my way to victory except that you claimed I was bad in a way that I was not coming back from. No need to waste anyone's time.

Ah well. I understand that I guess.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1880

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:30 pm I don’t think Nutella shoots Jay here right?

I certainly wouldn’t either.

Mac wants to lynch Nutella and Jack. Iirc Drago says the same.

Jay wanted to lynch Epi.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:36 pm Did you not notice Jay decide I was mafia?

Welp. [VOTE: jackofhearts2005] aubergine

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1881

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

Uh wait what? This is illegal tho??

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1882

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:33 pm He's right. I'm bowing out. I'm not wasting anymore of my time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:34 pm I am sorry everyone for not being able to put forth a meaningful challenge, but I have no time.

Dafuq????
This is straight garbage and y'all owe an apology to speed wtf???

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1883

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:36 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 pm Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?
I am doing the honorable thing and acknowledging when I am beat. There's no "throwing" involved.

This is not honorable at all I was about to not lynch you lol. This is just rude to the host.

#1884

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:33 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.
Uh wait what? This is illegal tho??

How? I never claimed. Didn't even hint at anything.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1885

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:58 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.
To be clear, I have never subbed out. When I sign up, I play.

This situation gave me the opportunity to snake my way to victory except that you claimed I was bad in a way that I was not coming back from. No need to waste anyone's time.

He didn't though?? Like it was literally against the rules so should have just been ignored. I mean I guess you're right that we can't really ignore it but I hate that this is ending this way. Dishonor to both Drago and you.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1886

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:33 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.
Uh wait what? This is illegal tho??
How? I never claimed. Didn't even hint at anything.

But like this is some kind of info claim and it caused the game to implode so I don't think speed will be happy about it.

#1887

Yeeeeeeeeah. Luckily, Speed is gonna be too sleep deprived to be too upset.

#1888

Eh let's not be sanctimonious about this. Shit happens. Nobody intentionally went out of their way to upset anybody.

#1889

Sorry Speed.

#1890

Fun game regardless and the town probably would have still won.

#1891

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:33 pm He's right. I'm bowing out. I'm not wasting anymore of my time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:34 pm I am sorry everyone for not being able to put forth a meaningful challenge, but I have no time.
Dafuq????
This is straight garbage and y'all owe an apology to speed wtf???

I'm sorry. Did you just have a baby or something?

#1892

I thought we decided epi was town

#1893

I’ll be voting jack

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

#1894

Ain't forgetting this time

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

#1895

Have the both of you voting for Jack even read the last page and a half?

#1896

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:41 am Have the both of you voting for Jack even read the last page and a half?

MacDougall gave up?

#1897

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:41 am Have the both of you voting for Jack even read the last page and a half?
MacDougall gave up?

Bruh. Just read the last page.

#1898

GAME END

Epi has Conceded. He was... Masayoshi Shido, Mafia Piercing Killer, Tracker/Roleblocker.

If Shido performs the kill, it is a piercing kill. If not, he can visit someone to roleblock and track them to see who they would have visited..

I'm not upset about the way the game ended. I do wish Dragomir hadn't claimed, but it is what it is. The game headed in that direction anyway, and town was on fire all game. I bear a little of the blame for setup choices that led here. I will explain in a follow-up post that talks about the setup (and how this particular day's result happened on a one in a thousand chance.)

I hope you'll all celebrate your win as earned, and stick with me for the discussion!

TOWN has won! - Creature, Dragomir, Jackofhearts2005, JaggedJimmyJay, Long Con, MacDougall, nutella, and sprityo.

#1899

SETUP:

Game has eleven characters:

Ren - Town power role
Ryuji
Morgana
Ann
Yusuke
Makoto
Futaba
Haru
Kasumi
Sae
Mishima

Two of the vanillas are chosen to be mafia, and replaced with:
Kamoshida
Shido - mafia power role
This gives the two mafia some fakeclaim ability.

One other vanilla is chosen to be replaced by a third party:
Akechi - 3p power role

Leaving the game at 7v2v1.

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Leaving the setup as:

6 vanilla town, 1 vanilla mafia

Ren - Town Persona User and Confidant
Each night Ren is given three persona powers at random to choose from. OR he can select one of the vanilla town names from the list above, passing the baton to them and giving them a power to use instead. If he selects a mafioso name, there is no effect.

Shido - Mafia Piercing Killer, Tracker/Roleblocker
If Shido performs the kill, it is a piercing kill. If not, he can visit someone to roleblock and track them to see who they would have visited.

Akechi - 3P Persona User - Power Role Assassin
Each night Akechi is given three persona powers at random to choose from, from a slightly longer list than Ren's.
Aketchi's goal is to make sure that neither Ren nor Shido survive. Akechi has a 1-shot BP vest, AND a 1-shot vig, but he loses the vest if he uses the vig.

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-Personas-
Absorber - Copy anything you are targeted with for use in the next night
Empty shot giveaway - fake a daykill attempt
Bodyguard - die instead of target
Redirect - move kill off you onto some random townie
Messenger - sends one message rewritten by the mod with identity redacted
1-day anon neighbor
insanifier - curse someone
Motion Detector - detects unspecified night actions from/to
Voyeur - sees actions but not culprit
Thief - steal an item related to that person's (false) role
Stump - if killed this night, remain as stump
Visitor - visits. No other effect.
Janitor - Get night reveal personally delivered to you (Akechi only)

Baton Pass Powers:
Roleblocker - (Ann)*
Cop - (Makoto)
Self-doc (Kasumi)
Permanent anon neighbor (Morgana)*
Insanifier/voteblock (Yusuke)*
Guard - show a random teammate who Ren is (Ryuji)
Neapolitan - see if target is vanilla townie (Haru)*
Watcher - watches target (Futaba)*
1 -shot doublevote - (Sae Nijima)*
Reporter - (Mishima)

*also an akechi persona option

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Claims of night actions and of roles are not allowed, even with the fakeclaim/aliases that all non-town will have.

#1900

Day 1 was unfortunate for mafia. By losing TSP, they lost half their utility.

Night 1: Dragomir got some boring options randomly, so he chose to give baton to Morgana. This did nothing. It probably should have notified Epignosis, but I didn't think that would matter in a game without claims. I was wrong.
Rej chose to insanify/voteblock nutella. That was fun.

Day 2: Rej was lynched. He still could have won if mafia had killed Dragomir, but Drago survived.

Night 2: On a 3/13 chance, Drago happened to get the option to anon neighbor someone for a day. Then he happened to pick the ONLY person he'd targeted (by their fake role name, so it was complete coincidence), who happened to be mafia. If any of those things weren't perfect, this would not have happened.
The two talked in QT about claims. I could have outlawed that in the neighbor chat. Another decision of mine that could have prevented the hardclaim. I did not.
Obviously once Epi claimed Morgana, the baton pass didn't line up. Drago asked me if the baton pass could fail. I told him it could fail in a coupole different ways and it would not notify anyone if it did.
He bluffed in the chat anyway that he knew for sure why it had failed, which was a safe bet, to be sure.
Epi conceded.

I did not see this going this way.

Good game, all! Thanks for playing.

Where will the whims of fate lead us?